bitbydeath
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Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.
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That doesn't confirm it's RDNA2.
Fake
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it_wasn't_me
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When Phil Spencer said during last E3 that Project Scarlet will have hardware RT, was that confirmation of RDNA 2 then even though he didn't said anything about RDNA 2?
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bitbydeath
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It confirms it’s the AMD patented solution and AMD already confirmed you need RDNA2 for that.
Where did I mention anything you just stated? You are confusing me with someone else.
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No it isnt. Its like saying PS4Pro featuring rapid packed math makes it Vega. It doesnt
TheTechnician
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also i want to say that to me this whole night ( i keep saying night because that what it was in Germany) leakage lookes like an orchestrated stab at sony to me. With all the Xbox Mouthpieces right at hand cheering and all the encouragement on that _rogame twitter :,, do more do more!" - as they all already knew what he was about to post. Wich off course means they sticked their heads togheter beforehand. I would be not so confindent in your Place..
Pride comes before a fall, isn´t it?
Pride comes before a fall, isn´t it?
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Proelite
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My ass as always.
But it doesn't. You assumed it.
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BattleScar
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It doesn't confirm anything actually. Nowhere has it been unequivocally stated that the Series X is using AMDs RTRT solution, or RDNA2. Microsoft could have their own RTRT implementation for all we know. And there certainly is no rule suggesting that in order for their to be RTRT, the chip must be RDNA2. It's custom silicon. AMD could have backported RTRT to RDNA1 or even fucking GCN for all we know.
There's precedent for this. PS4 Pro has FP16. A feature that was only available to Vega at the time. Does that mean PS4 Pro has a Vega GPU? Nope, it's still Polaris.
If the only difference between RDNA1 and RDNA2 is the presence of the RTRT cores, then sure. But again, we don't know shit about that architecture so we cannot make any baseless claims.
bitbydeath
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So you think theirs a second GPU for Ray Tracing?
Aceofspades
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Its one of these three scenarios. I'm waiting for the reveals . It will be hilarious
it_wasn't_me
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I'm not.
Phil Spencer during last E3 - Project Scarlet will have hardware RT................Oh gosh, without question Scarlet will have hardware RT, RDNA 2 confirmed
Cerny few months ago in Wired article - PS5 will have hardware RT ..................... Doubt, no RDNA 2
Phil Spencer recently said in Gamespot interview IIRC "next.gen RDNA"
But, after E3 bunch of article already mentioned RDNA 2 even though Phil Spencer didn't mentioned it, like this one :
Next Xbox will feature dedicated ray-tracing cores says Gears 5 dev
The Coalition's technical art director Colin Penty spills the beans on Microsoft's next-gen console
And why PS5 can't have RDNA 2?
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bitbydeath
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I wasn’t talking about Series X but rather what has been confirmed by Mark Cerny for PS5.
TeamGhobad
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the bulk of their audience doesn't roam around the internet about specs. 99% of console users don't even know the specs of the console they are playing on. we are a very small minority discussing specs. they will have their full reveal soon though.
CyberPanda
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Secret sauce
Can you link to where I said anything like this regarding XBX? As I said, you are talking to the wrong person.
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BattleScar
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My statement applies regardless. Mark Cerny also hasn't said anything about RDNA2
it_wasn't_me
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You didn't, but i've referred to this post of yours :
Then i've got back to E3 and Phil Spencer where he never mentioned RDNA 2 ,yet nobody had any doubts about that. Yet you questioning what Mark Cerny said and is PS5's GPU RDNA 2. Why wouldn't be?
I see only double standards here.
Little Chicken
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We can look forward to a continuous stream of tit-for-tat PR plays by both companies over the next 11 months
bitbydeath
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AMD has, you want their hardware base Ray Tracing solution then you need Next Gen RDNA
Ar¢tos
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The CELL is redeemed!!
#TeamCELL
It's clear MS is using RDNA2. They call it next generation rdna which would be rdna2. They call zen 2 current AMD CPU. I don't know why people are freaking out yet the AMD solution could be shit and Sony could of decided to do their own instead. We have no idea until those benchmarked. I'll hold judgment on this part until more is known.
"Powered by our custom-designed processor leveraging the latest Zen 2 and next generation RDNA architecture from our partners at AMD,"
Power Your Dreams with Xbox Series X, Available Holiday 2020 - Xbox Wire
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news.xbox.com
BattleScar
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Yes. But custom silicon can backport certain features. I literally gave an example of this happening with PS4 Pro and FP16 being backported to Polaris from Vega.AMD has, you want their hardware base Ray Tracing solution then you need Next Gen RDNA
Little Chicken
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Sony have consulted various yogi and naturopaths and are taking a holistic approach to RT using an amethyst and moonbeam-based solution powered by smiles.
Ar¢tos
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How could you forget the crystals and the auras?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The return of the DGPU.
Little Chicken
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Dee Dah Dave
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I think Zen 3 and RDNA2 are 7nm+
Xbox / PS are more likely to be 7nm and a mix of RDNA with some RDNA2 features
Xbox / PS are more likely to be 7nm and a mix of RDNA with some RDNA2 features
TeamGhobad
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could be RDNA 1.5
Fake
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I guess they want you to say there is no Ray Tracing after all.
Neofire
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Correct and it's still makes no sense for Sony to release such a outclassed console compared to Microsoft 9TF VS 12TF+? It's suicide on Sony's part especially when Microsoft is believed to be releasing a low end console as well.
They will be outclassed on price strategy and power.
For the team 8-9TF people please explain to me why they would do this, since you guys have all this "inside" information and data mined statistics.
Dee Dah Dave
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Maybe it’s real but it’s the server hardware for PSNow streaming. Retail console better.
Entroyp
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maybe both consoles are 9~10 Navi TF because 12 TF is way too expensive for a console.
I also remember this place back in 2012 and 2013 and all the outrageous claims and lies from fanboys on the internet who are now even posting here. It’s hard to take anything seriously anymore.
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ZywyPL
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Because chances are, Sony is yet again aiming for 399$, just like with OG PS4, Pro, and PSVR - all super successful, so why change something that already works? While MS with their multiple consoles approach can aim for higher price=higher specs with the top-tier model.
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megreotsugua
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Ar¢tos
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The reality is that you can't make a console to last a gen for 399 this time. It might be ok for the first 2 years, but after that it becomes completely obsolete.
9.2TF with RT and VRS + Zen2 + SSD will certainly result in higher TDP then PS4, PS4Pro and even PS3.
So, if Sony is following standard console cycle, form factor and TDP, this will be one they pushed hardest.
Only reason 12TF could exist is if you make PC tower and throw entire console constraints out of the window.
If you have dual SKU you can do that. With single one - I doubt it.
And this will result in closer matchup then Pro vs X. CPUs will be the same, memory will be the same and only difference will be 30% more TF for more money.
So, if Sony is following standard console cycle, form factor and TDP, this will be one they pushed hardest.
Only reason 12TF could exist is if you make PC tower and throw entire console constraints out of the window.
If you have dual SKU you can do that. With single one - I doubt it.
And this will result in closer matchup then Pro vs X. CPUs will be the same, memory will be the same and only difference will be 30% more TF for more money.
xPikYx
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Especially when nVidia is coming out next year with 16/20 tf gpus
it_wasn't_me
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It's clear MS is using RDNA2. They call it next generation rdna which would be rdna2. They call zen 2 current AMD CPU. I don't know why people are freaking out yet the AMD solution could be shit and Sony could of decided to do their own instead. We have no idea until those benchmarked. I'll hold judgment on this part until more is known.
"Powered by our custom-designed processor leveraging the latest Zen 2 and next generation RDNA architecture from our partners at AMD,"
Power Your Dreams with Xbox Series X, Available Holiday 2020 - Xbox Wire
Xbox Game Studios unveils Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II, a new chapter in the award-winning Hellblade story from Ninja Theory For eighteen years and three console generations, the Xbox community has shown us the power both games and fun can have on all of us. As we enter a new generation of gaming...
Yeah, after Phil Spencer's word week or two ago. But nobody ever doubted is Scarlet RDNA 2 after E3 teaser. Everybody concluded it is RDNA 2 without question.
Phil Spencer at E3 - Scarlet will have hardware RT.................................oh shit, RDNA 2 confirmed.
Cerny few months ago in Wired article - PS5 will have hardware RT ..................... Doubt, no RDNA 2
xPikYx
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This reminds me 4GB vs. 8 GB GDDR5 Ram war during ps4 leaks period
Bryank75
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That's exactly what I think, it lines up with what Spencer said about SEX being 8 times faster than the base Xbox One.
It also lines up with what we have been hearing about SEX being just a tiny bit less powerful in the GPU but a bit more powerful in the CPU!
It's obviously in or around 9 - 10 of the RDNA metric of TFlops for both.
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GermanZepp
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Sony PlayStation controller met verstelbare handgrepen | LetsGoDigital
Sony patenteert DualShock game controller met vier extra bedieningsknoppen op de achterzijde, oa. om de grootte van de handgrepen naar wens aan te passen.
nl.letsgodigital.org
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chemical boy
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This cannot be PS5.
Why? Leaked Scarlet shows 560GB/s but at 12TF it has a bit less GB/s per TF then 448 GB/s and 9.3TF console.
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