Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
This comparison makes no sense. Also, using video of a game trailer or a game to determine TF power, even vaguely? No. Just.. no.
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This comparison makes no sense. Also, using video of a game trailer or a game to determine TF power, even vaguely? No. Just.. no.
McHuj
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Unless Sparkmas is not Lockhart, but the final revision of XsX. I think there were some leaps to fit Sparkman to Lockhart. Arden/Sparkman could simply be just like Ariel/Oberon (same chip/newer revision/final production?).
xPikYx
Member
Vague like Oberon, Arden, Gonzalo, RDNA1, RDNA2, RT yes, RT no etc.?
I did a very basic assumption : the former is much better than the latter, ergo XSX is more powerful than PS5
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HeisenbergFX4
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I just wish we would get the final reveals and most importantly pricing.
What if PS5 is in fact 9.2 TFs @ $399 and Nextbox is a 12TF monster @ $599?
What if PS5 is in fact 9.2 TFs @ $399 and Nextbox is a 12TF monster @ $599?
Fake
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So devs will be liers for saying both machines have two digit TFs.
Arlgrim
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I wasnt implying how strong either machine would be as I have a pretty good suspicion both machines will be very close in power/price.
Just saying none of the power speculations matter until we know what we are paying for them.
nowhat
Member
Hellblade 2, "in-engine" (which doesn't mean it's real time nor running on target hardware) - yeah, there are not many assumptions to be made based on that footage.
xPikYx
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Fake
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Fact duh, but what Devs been give us all those times are hints and none of them make numbers.
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Bryank75
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Well if you read what I am saying, the CPU in the Xbox would be faster which is a bigger deal I would say!
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
And hints from Devs and so called "insiders" do not mean anything until we get something official imo.
Mass Shift
Member
You never know what they did with Lockhart in the interim. Could be the reason why they brought it back.
Fake
Gold Member
Devs are not 'insiders' mind you. And as far I know, if the dev is really using a devkit, maybe he words counts more than insiders.
But I agree, official > any other shit.
44alltheway
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Can we co confidently say PS5 is about 10 TF, maybe a little less?
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Confidently? No.
Nickolaidas
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If I didn't know better, I'd swear they're trying to soften the blow … 
PS5 Teraflops Won't Matter - Here's Why - PlayStation Universe
PS5 Teraflops won't be an effective or accurate marker of the performance of Sony's next-generation PlayStation console. Here's why.
www.psu.com
Dory16
Banned
Evidence that you know better?If I didn't know better, I'd swear they're trying to soften the blow …
PS5 Teraflops Won't Matter - Here's Why - PlayStation Universe
PS5 Teraflops won't be an effective or accurate marker of the performance of Sony's next-generation PlayStation console. Here's why.www.psu.com
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
If I didn't know better, I'd swear they're trying to soften the blow …
PS5 Teraflops Won't Matter - Here's Why - PlayStation Universe
PS5 Teraflops won't be an effective or accurate marker of the performance of Sony's next-generation PlayStation console. Here's why.www.psu.com
Digital Foundry has said this for months already.
Nickolaidas
Member
Hell, no. It's that it seems sound to me to see some people claiming that TFs don't really matter - when TFs in next gen may end up disappointing many of us. You know like someone saying 'sex isn't everything' when he has little to no sex, know what I mean?
mckmas8808
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We aren't using the TFs number in the most literal way possible. That's what you want to do and that's fine. We gamers are more focused on a console or GPU's ability to performance tasks. So if the PS5 is a 10 TF RDNA2 console, it makes sense to let people know that it will be similar to a 13 TF GCN GPU (Nvidia 2080Ti).
it_wasn't_me
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Wonder why is deleted. LOL
nowhat
Member
Yeah, it's kinda like saying "As Moore's law slows and our perf ambitions increase it leads to design innovation. Software innovations like VRS will also be critical"
ManaByte
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It's the opposite of websites back in 2013 claiming the human eye can't see 1080p.
Nickolaidas
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I wanna ask you techies something: if the PS5 ends up being a 9.2 TF console in late 2020, does this make it a mid-range PC in the second of its inception like the PS4 was (which failed to impress people with its specs)? Or are we talking about an improvement?
bitbydeath
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Oh, WOW, just fuc**** WOW :
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
Let me ask this, what sort of database was rogames info mined from? Is this a source where actual hardware would have had to be tested for this info to appear? Or is this just info typed by someone in a database somewhere? What's the track record of data being mined from this source?www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
Some are speculating that PS5 has a different solution for HW RT.
Xboners dream about weaker PS5 deadier than dead
So those codenames have nothing to do with next-gen at all.
Finally we can bury it.
it_wasn't_me
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it_wasn't_me
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Yeah, back to square one for Xbox. Remind what TimDog said....
DForce
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If I didn't know better, I'd swear they're trying to soften the blow …
PS5 Teraflops Won't Matter - Here's Why - PlayStation Universe
PS5 Teraflops won't be an effective or accurate marker of the performance of Sony's next-generation PlayStation console. Here's why.www.psu.com
It goes in line what we have been discussing already.
The Low-End console from MS rumored to be 4TF, but it performs better than the Xbox One X, which is a 6TF console.
Maybe MS and Sony won't focus on TF numbers because it would be a bit harder to market. For example: If they say it's TWICE the GPU power of the XB1X, but the TF count is only 9.2, then it's going to leave some people confused. Same can be said about the Lockheart, which is 4TF, but better than the 6TF console.
bitbydeath
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It doesn’t matter now.
Oberon, Ariel, Arden have nothing to do with next-gen. They were AMD internal testing only.
Nickolaidas
Member
So maybe … maybe it really *does* not matter.
Maybe what we're about to live next year is the 386/486 era all over again. Remember back in the early 90s, when you only had a VGA graphics card and the only thing that mattered on your PC was the number of MHz in order to have good performance and speed in games? And when the first good 3D graphics cards appeared, suddenly MHz weren't as much important as the graphics cards were (in terms of how many MB/GB of RAM those cards had and whatnot)?
Maybe it's this again.
DeepEnigma
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Now you’re just being silly.
Or when asked if it’s 12TF, the answer given was, “we did the math, it’s twice the power of the X1X GPU”.
Well, simple math would be 6+6 = 12. That doesn’t need to be done for us.
It’s the RDNA effect.
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DForce
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I believe it has some relevance. If this turns out to be true, then the new Xbox is not 12TF as some people in here have suggested, but it would be 9 or even 10 TF.
Rightisright
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There's no AMD card with VRS on it. Nvidia yes.
bitbydeath
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Relevance to AMD hardware internal tests.
It never made sense why Sony would test under Windows and now we know why.
it_wasn't_me
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AMD has their own VRS solution, also the RT, but both aren't for now available on their cards.
Rightisright
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If you dont think MS and Sony havent got wind of each others specs from third party developers you are dreaming. Yes, we lucky ones on an internet forum, or Twitter, get all the good leaks, while MS or Sony with all their people and contacts at AMD and all the other developers dont get shit.
Yeah right. Klee gets info, but not Sony or MS.
Rightisright
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Everyone has said its 12flops, double the XBOX One Xs power. People who are trying to say it's "GCN" flops are just clowning themselves to make them feel better about their PS5 power levels.I don't think you read every post on this thread, you can check my messages history posted in this thread, you gonna find that i was called a fan boy for saying that MS need to release a more powerful console (because they have to).
here is an example above that i posted prior to our argument, you clearly missed it.
When someone says something vague like "it's twice the performance of Xbox one X" doesn't mean its 12TF RDNA, ask AMD why they wasted their time explaining that it's 1.25X GCN, they should said TF is TF.
Everybody know TF is a TF, but we are not discussing this so ....
You are late for this one too, you got beat again
Will display Tetris very well at 8k.
Nickolaidas
Member
They send each other industrial spies, posing as escorts.
"Oh, Phil, baby … tell me again, how many TFs is that X-Box thingie of yours?"
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HeisenbergFX4
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Don't you think 12 TFs of RDNA would be higher then double the current X in power? Not saying its not right just seems it would be more then double the actual power.
Mass Shift
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Few people will actually admit to climbing that hypothetical mountain to answer that question because it's far too logical. It's easier to accept Kleegamefan's vague expositions than to face a simple reality.
I admit Klee is saying what I want to hear. But I can't simply just discount all of the numbers that I've seen over the last two days and just accept more vagueness.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Everyone but Phil himself.
And 12TF RDNA is more than “twice the power of X1X GPU”.
So it’s probably in the 9-10 range RDNA which would equal 12 range of the GCN the 1X is now. Which would be, “we did the math, it’s twice the power”.
You don’t need to “do the math”, if it’s a simple 6+6 = 12. You do the math because the Flop efficiency is no longer the same.
Would love to be surprised with a RDNA 12, however.
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Please. Enough fanboy panic on both sides. Devs said both are similar in power. I’ll go with that. It’s going to feel like forever between now and whenever official specs are released with all of this XBX vs. PS power level BS.
Mass Shift
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They send each other industrial spies, posing as escorts.
"Oh, Phil, baby … tell me again, how many TFs is that X-Box thingie of yours?"
She ain't thick enough. She's cute but she'd 'd get no info from me. Lol.
Fake
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Because he can sustain his 'datamine' theory on reddit unlike twitter.
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DForce
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Who is everyone?
The problem that I'm seeing is that some people *only* want to accept what they want to hear and just ignore everything that might even suggest otherwise.
Alot of the information we're getting is based off of unconfirmed rumored.
Phil said twice the GPU power of the X, but people want to ignore that completely and go with the 12TF unconfirmed rumor.
It's not about people wanting to "feel better about their PS5 power levels" the 12TF GCN = 9TF RDNA literally falls in line with what Phil said about the new Xbox GPU being twice as powerful.
Aceofspades
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We cannot confidently say anything about any console, even Xbox Series X
Rightisright
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The exact specs for Anaconda and Lockhart were leaked back in January. So AMD testing results dating back to June or July doesnt mean it's out of date.
Fake
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If you want to believe from there until now was release just one devkit version, sure. Go on.
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