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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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hwraytracer

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!!!!!! This is pure speculation on my part !!!!


So i found mention in the leaked documentation of Oberon & Arden being linked to OberonA0 ... Could it be that PS5 is actually these 2 parts combined?

"Native (Oberon)" is the 64 "full" wavefront features of Navi

"BC2 (Oberon)" is the 32 "narrow" wavefront features of Navi, this provides back compat for ps4 and below
-- i found docs/man mentions of the hw features that allude to last gen features, capped bw/buffers et

"BC1 (Arden)" is the future RT/VRS features of navi
-- i found explicit mention of raytracing / vrs features

The leaked documents i believe are only PS5 related stuff, not XB series X. As it would be weird for both to be found together, considering the two teams within AMD are supposed to be physically separated and non communicating..

Again this is pure speculation ...



==== Below is the section in the document that to me hints at the relationship =====

[native]
project = Oberon
filename = oberonA0-regression-result-native.csv

[BC1]
project = Arden
filename = oberonA0-regression-result-BC1.csv

[BC2]
project = Oberon
filename = oberonA0-regression-result-BC2.csv


p.s. Moderators let me know if you want me to DM you the links to the leaked documents i found to prove my above statements
 
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Mass Shift

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Darklor01 said:
Please. Enough fanboy panic on both sides. Devs said both are similar in power. I’ll go with that. It’s going to feel like forever between now and whenever official specs are released with all of this XBX vs. PS power level BS.
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NOPE. This was needed!

I'm still at 12TFs

But for the last week people have been living on Fantasy Island. This gave everyone a nice dose of reality. It stopped the pie in the sky specs and brought them down to earth with their expectations.

I'm talking about Team 14TF, ReRam, HBM, $399.

It was REALLY getting out of hand.
 
Rightisright

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DForce said:
Who is everyone?

The problem that I'm seeing is that some people *only* want to accept what they want to hear and just ignore everything that might even suggest otherwise.

Alot of the information we're getting is based off of unconfirmed rumored.

Phil said twice the GPU power of the X, but people want to ignore that completely and go with the 12TF unconfirmed rumor.

It's not about people wanting to "feel better about their PS5 power levels" the 12TF GCN = 9TF RDNA literally falls in line with what Phil said about the new Xbox GPU being twice as powerful.
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Full Anaconda and Lockhart specs were leaked back in early 2019, and stated 12+ tflops for Anaconda and 4+ tflops for Lockhart. Those leaks have proven to be correct and this was well before MS said anything about twice the power.
 
Darklor01

Darklor01

Might need to stop sniffing glue
Mass Shift said:
NOPE. This was needed!

I'm still at 12TFs

But for the last week people have been living on Fantasy Island. This gave everyone a nice dose of reality. It stopped the pie in the sky specs and brought them down to earth with their expectations.

I'm talking about Team 14TF, ReRam, HBM, $399.

It was REALLY getting out of hand.
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I don’t think it was needed. People lose their minds and go all stupid at the drop of a hat.
it’s fun to speculate, but now it’s FUD.
Im on board with 12TF GCN or 9TF RDNA.
 
DForce

DForce

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Rightisright said:
Full Anaconda and Lockhart specs were leaked back in early 2019, and stated 12+ tflops for Anaconda and 4+ tflops for Lockhart. Those leaks have proven to be correct and this was well before MS said anything about twice the power.
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Again, still seems like you're being selective about what you want to hear\accept.

The reports early this year was that they were targeting 12TF.

But again these are RUMORS.

This is a matter of Phil's statements vs rumors. If I were to go with rumors or Phil statements, then I would learn more towards Phil. However, that being said, we still don't have the actual numbers which is why I'm not completely ruling anything out.
 
Rightisright

Rightisright

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Nickolaidas said:
They send each other industrial spies, posing as escorts.


g3HJl66.jpg


"Oh, Phil, baby … tell me again, how many TFs is that X-Box thingie of yours?"
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Your post doesnt make sense, but I feel you just used it as an excuse to lost that picture. And I am ok with that.
 
LordOfChaos

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Rightisright said:
Everyone has said its 12flops, double the XBOX One Xs power. People who are trying to say it's "GCN" flops are just clowning themselves to make them feel better about their PS5 power levels.
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This is based entirely off Phil saying it's double the Xbox One X's performance. You run test X, it comes back with double the performance, he made no mention of Tflops at all.


With RDNAs 25-50% IPC improvement, lets just call it the low end at 25%, you'd expect a ~9Tflop RDNA part to already hit this metric of double the performance, while a 12Tflop part would actually be 2.5-3x as powerful.

I'd be happy for it to be 12 and his statement was understating it, but everyone needs to stop pretending this is settled either way.
 
Rightisright

Rightisright

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~Fake said:
If you want to believe from there until now was release just one devkit version, sure. Go on.
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The process to make up a board takes years. The RDNA GPUs that will release in 12 months times werent just thrown together 6 months before they were released. You have seen AMDs road maps? Where they mentioned Navi some 5 years before they released it? They have been working on it that long. Go back and see when Sony first started working on the PS4 before it was released. Why would they nees to do that if it's no big deal to change things up?
Small things like clock speeds etc can be played with, but not the amount of Cu's or cores.
 
HeisenbergFX4

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LordOfChaos said:
This is based entirely off Phil saying it's double the Xbox One X's performance. You run test X, it comes back with double the performance, he made no mention of Tflops at all.


With RDNAs 25-50% IPC improvement, lets just call it the low end at 25%, you'd expect a ~9Tflop RDNA part to already hit this metric of double the performance, while a 12Tflop part would actually be 2.5-3x as powerful.

I'd be happy for it to be 12 and his statement was understating it, but everyone needs to stop pretending this is settled either way.
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Especially when Digital Foundry asked about it being 12 TFs and they wouldn't comment.

Phil say "We did the math" and its 2x the power says to me most likely 9ish TFs afterall.
 
Rightisright

Rightisright

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LordOfChaos said:
This is based entirely off Phil saying it's double the Xbox One X's performance. You run test X, it comes back with double the performance, he made no mention of Tflops at all.


With RDNAs 25-50% IPC improvement, lets just call it the low end at 25%, you'd expect a ~9Tflop RDNA part to already hit this metric of double the performance, while a 12Tflop part would actually be 2.5-3x as powerful.

I'd be happy for it to be 12 and his statement was understating it, but everyone needs to stop pretending this is settled either way.
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Lol. Just because you wish it so, doesnt make it so.
The logic from Sony guys has been amazing to watch. You all accepted 12tflops for Xbox when you thought the PS5 was 13 or 14 tflops. When it gets leaked that MAYBE the PS5 is only 9tflops, then all of a sudden the 12 tflops of Xboxs mustn't really be true, so you try to imply that its some mystical "GCN" flops rather than the "RDNA" flops, of which there is no such thing.
 
LordOfChaos

LordOfChaos

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Rightisright said:
Lol. Just because you wish it so, doesnt make it so.
The logic from Sony guys has been amazing to watch. You all accepted 12tflops for Xbox when you thought the PS5 was 13 or 14 tflops. When it gets leaked that MAYBE the PS5 is only 9tflops, then all of a sudden the 12 tflops of Xboxs mustn't really be true, so you try to imply that its some mystical "GCN" flops rather than the "RDNA" flops, of which there is no such thing.
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It being so makes it so, or else find me where Phil said double was about Tflops. He said double the performance. He MAY have meant Tflops, but you can double one graphics parts performance without doubling its paper flops by way of architectural improvements. You're tying hard not to understand this and attacking me for merely saying I wouldn't call it settled.

I already said I'm open to it being 12, but merely being "only" being open to it was enough to upset you somehow, and that's hilarious.

Further I challenge you to find where I've ever "accepted" anything on the precondition that the PS5 was 13 or 14 Tflops, I've never engaged in anything like that, I'm just staying open to possibilities for either, unlike you.



Thought experiment: Jen-Hsun or mama Su come on stage and say their new GPU is 1.5x the performance of the last. Have they ever meant this as a purely paper flop count, or are they counting architectural improvements to efficiency per clock per core?
 
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Rightisright

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sonomamashine said:
Yes double xbox one x is 12Tf GCN since xboxonex is 6Tf GCN.

People that can't do simple math are in denial (didnt want to say clowns like you did)
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Lol.
Actually it has come out that Xbox Series X will have five times the performance of Xbox One X, so those 12 Tflops must be RDNA 4.0 flops and not RDNA 2 flops.

www.google.com

Xbox Scarlett ‘can perform up to 5 times better than Xbox One X’ | VGC

New report details hardware specs for two next-gen Xbox SKUs…
www.google.com www.google.com
 
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Paulxo87

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My heart always told me ~10TFLOPS. And if this ends up being RDNA TFLOPS you are GETTING A CONSOLE TEN FUCKING TIMES THE POWER OF THE BASE PS4. and when you add up everything else(CPU, SSD, ETC) perhaps 15 TIMES. You can't even begin to wrap your brain around what this is capable of in a closed box development scenario. People got way too spoiled and over the top with things real quick. The HBM MEMORY, 13+RDNA TFLOPS, ETC. It was getting ridiculous
 
Fake

Fake

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Rightisright said:
Lol. Just because you wish it so, doesnt make it so.
The logic from Sony guys has been amazing to watch. You all accepted 12tflops for Xbox when you thought the PS5 was 13 or 14 tflops. When it gets leaked that MAYBE the PS5 is only 9tflops, then all of a sudden the 12 tflops of Xboxs mustn't really be true, so you try to imply that its some mystical "GCN" flops rather than the "RDNA" flops, of which there is no such thing.
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Just by this answer we start to know your really intention mate. I never cared to put in doub the 12TF seX because if you really was here in the speculation more time than me, you should know while the first poll was add I voted #Team12TF.
Now, what I found cute is, Xbox series X being 12TF is not enough for your guys using that particular 'datamine', PS5 need to be 8TF, PS5 need to come without dedicated RT and some even beyond saying Lockhart > PS5.

I don't even gonna waste my time looking at your history post, but you can see my. I agree with DF/Rich about their source saying 12TF. But, as you proved, is not enough.
 
Rightisright

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~Fake said:
Just by this answer we start to know your really intention mate. I never cared to put in doub the 12TF seX because if you really was here in the speculation more time than me, you should know while the first poll was add I voted #Team12TF.
Now, what I found cute is, Xbox series X being 12TF is not enough for your guys using that particular 'datamine', PS5 need to be 8TF, PS5 need to come without dedicated RT and some even beyond saying Lockhart > PS5.

I don't even gonna waste my time looking at your history post, but you can see my. I agree with DF/Rich about their source saying 12TF. But, as you proved, is not enough.
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Who other than Sony supporters are trying to downplay the 12tflops? No one else really need to.
Anyway, out of respect for the mods I'm going to leave the GPU Flops alone. I got dragged in more than I should have.
 
TeamGhobad

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the specs of anaconda won't matter cause lockhart will keep the generation hostage. GPU is not just about resolution. So the real specs here are 4 tflops. and anaconda just up-res to 4k.
 
bitbydeath

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policestationx said:
It's really great at least we got a concrete number of PS5 dev kits that was tested a few months ago instead of bs infos from Klee, Jason, and etc this time.
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We didn’t.

www.neogaf.com

Ariel, Flute, Oberon, Arden and Sparkman confirmed to not be PS5/XSX related

Turns out they were just internal hardware tests performed by AMD. here is the context they aren't giving you: This info is not datamined from drivers It is not related to devkits It is not complete so I wouldn’t read into “missing features.” It’s not a spec sheet It is from internal AMD...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
 
Fake

Fake

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Rightisright said:
Who other than Sony supporters are trying to downplay the 12tflops?
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You're using fire against fire. If playstation dudes are downplaying 12TF don't give the reason for xbox dudes being spreading PS5 have 8TF or less because of one single tweet.
 
policestationx

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DForce

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Rightisright said:
Who other than Sony supporters are trying to downplay the 12tflops? No one else really need to.
Anyway, out of respect for the mods I'm going to leave the GPU Flops alone. I got dragged in more than I should have.
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It's literally talked about in the Digital Foundry video from yesterday.

You're trying so hard not to accept this as a possibility considering most of the information we have now are just rumors.
 
hwraytracer

hwraytracer

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this was from that leak ... all under the oberonA0 banner ...


[native]
project = Oberon
regr_round = 75
filename = oberonA0_regression_result_native.xlsm

[BC1]
project = Arden
regr_round = 228
filename = oberonA0_regression_result_BC1.xlsm

[BC2]
project = Oberon
regr_round = 232
filename = oberonA0_regression_result_BC2.xlsm
 
sonomamashine

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Rightisright said:
Lol.
Actually it has come out that Xbox Series X will have five times the performance of Xbox One X, so those 12 Tflops must be RDNA 4.0 flops and not RDNA 2 flops.

www.google.com

Xbox Scarlett ‘can perform up to 5 times better than Xbox One X’ | VGC

New report details hardware specs for two next-gen Xbox SKUs…
www.google.com www.google.com
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When you read something like 5 time xbox one x, it means as a whole system, cpu gpu ram ssd etc...
Thinking that it would be 5 times xbox one x GPU ... even a clown wont believe that.
 
PocoJoe

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Paulxo87 said:
My heart always told me ~10TFLOPS. And if this ends up being RDNA TFLOPS you are GETTING A CONSOLE TEN FUCKING TIMES THE POWER OF THE BASE PS4. and when you add up everything else(CPU, SSD, ETC) perhaps 15 TIMES. You can't even begin to wrap your brain around what this is capable of in a closed box development scenario. People got way too spoiled and over the top with things real quick. The HBM MEMORY, 13+RDNA TFLOPS, ETC. It was getting ridiculous
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Base ps4 is around 1.85tflops so 10x would be 18tflops, 10 RDNA2 would not be that high with better "IPC"
 
policestationx

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R600 said:
As
These names are APU codenames from AMDs internal test. Renoir, for example, being upcoming notebook chip. Its not some sandbox test, its been reported for almost a year every single.one of these chips.
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Reera user just made up a story after finding the info based on rogamer clue about those details.
 
bitbydeath

bitbydeath

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R600 said:
As
These names are APU codenames from AMDs internal test. Renoir, for example, being upcoming notebook chip. Its not some sandbox test, its been reported for almost a year every single.one of these chips.
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And nothing to do with either PS5 or XSX.
 
squidilix

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If is the true of PS5 9.2Tf

So, Sony Release PS5 at 9.2Tf Navi (wich is a big upgrade than 1.X Tf GNC of One / PS4)

- PS5 at 399$/€
- Microsoft release Series S & X at 299$/€ & 499€/$. Consummer confused & dev angry to create different build of game on Xbox.
- Obliviously, the cheaper Xbox have more succes than Series X, but now the truth is to know if PS5 going to be another succes like PS4 ?
- If yes -
- 3 three years later (2023) Sony release PS5 Pro wich is better performance & price than Series X. (Bette price for memory, RDNA 3 / Ryzen 4/5th gen etc...)
- If not -
- 3 three years later (2023) Sony release PS5 Pro wich is better performance & price than Series X.
Microsoft can really going to build a third console to stay to "the most peformed consoles of THE WOLRD AND GALAXY" ?
 
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