Aceofspades
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Not true at all, PS3 has outsold 360 the entire generation WW. How in the hell PS3 was able to catch a +10m sales deficit from launching a year later (year and half in EU) to surpassing 360 in the end?
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Not true at all, PS3 has outsold 360 the entire generation WW. How in the hell PS3 was able to catch a +10m sales deficit from launching a year later (year and half in EU) to surpassing 360 in the end?
Racer!
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It was 599$ entire 2006!? And it outsold 360 in numbers according to that chart. 360 sold better at launch, but that was to be expected as it had the entire next gen market to itself.
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XcloudTimdog
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Yep beast, your
Butchered? Looks here to have sold consistently better than 360 in 360 land. In Europe it probably did even better.
Sony introduces slimmer PS3 and big price cut
Sony Corp. said it will cut the price of the 80 gigabyte PlayStation 3 effective immediately. It is also launching a slimmer, lighter model in early September that will also cost $299.
www.nbcnews.com
XcloudTimdog
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Yes but it needed price cuts, and original point is ps5 can be more money and still outsell xbox. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32464005/...s/t/sony-introduces-slimmer-ps-big-price-cut/
Check the chart and compare
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StreetsofBeige
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In September 2009 is when Sony released PS3 Slim for $300. 360s were going for around the same price too. That's when PS3s started to match and then outsell 360.Butchered? Looks here to have sold consistently better than 360 in 360 land. In Europe it probably did even better.
V4skunk
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Dude 9tf vs 12tf is like 2060 vs 2080ti.
Self High Five
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You're making waay to many presumptions. First, a $299 is speculative at best and in my opinion, unreasonable for what the console potentially contains. Compared to the Xbox One X which still contains an MSRP of $499 two years after launch, lockhart will contain a new generation RDNA GPU, a significant jump in CPU, a faster RAM setup that is only slightly less than Series X & an SSD for $299? That's wishful thinking & the price of the One X only proves that.
FYI, I don't believe a 9.2TF PS5 will result in a $399 price if all other components are in parity with Series X either. I don't claim to be an expert on the bills of materials but price cannot scale linear like that just based of GPU tflops alone. PS5 will have to be reduced in other areas compared to the series X (limited RT features, less ram. etc) for Sony to undercut MS $100.
And casuals don't only care about the entry level price of a console. Library matters as well & the first 1-2 years it is always limited. Cross gen will still be a thing for a couple years at least and big titles will release on current gen consoles. Not to mention Lockhart is rumored to be discless as well. You don't think casuals care about buying cheap/older titles at Wal Mart, trade or sell their games? It's easy to imagine a casual looking at lockhart with a limited library with all $60 full price titles & just wait for the Series X or PS5 to get cheaper so can have the option to buy their physical games if desired.
Lort
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You realize that nintendo want from having 2 markets into 1 and it is currently outselling playstation right?
Also despitehuge advantages ie cheaper price, being released first and twice the userbase the pro is barely beating xbox one x if at all.
It matters and if a girl tells you it doesn't shes lying.
Racer!
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I actually misread that chart, my bad.
But WW if I remember correctly PS3 outsold 360 every year?!
Reindeer
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Yes you are right, I must have been including that lead Xbox had in the beginning. The sales were still very close with PlayStation selling 1-2 million units more every year. This was still a big drop for Sony coming from PS2 and they cannot afford for it to happen again. This is why I stand by $399 price to be sandwiched in between the two Microsoft consoles.
StreetsofBeige
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I don't have reference charts, but considering how big the 360 lead gap was just based off the early US sales, I don't think PS3 total global sales outsold 360 until maybe 3-4 years in. Then PS3 outsold 360, so it roughly evened out at the end.
Strong start by 360, strong finish by PS3.
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Racer!
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If you look at the sale proposition it should have sold even worse than it did. Lower performance for higher price is not an easy sell!
XcloudTimdog
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we are talking 360 now lol . Roller coaster thread
Racer!
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StreetsofBeige
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That's a Europe only article from 2008.
360 sales were so big in the US, it took a while for rest of countries to catch up and eventually surpass the lead 360 had over PS3 in the US (and Canada and UK too).
Pretty sure the two biggest markets for consoles is US and UK. 360 had both I believe. And the leads were so big, it took a ton of other countries added up to eventually even out with PS3 by 2013.
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BattleScar
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That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with Navi 12?
That chip specifically uses HBM2.
Nothing I said, contradicts you.
Rightisright
Banned
Sure, but if someone's looks at all the specs together, they have far more in common spec wise than they don't.
Racer!
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Difference first year in in US was just 2 million, and they caught up with 360 at 5 million in Europe (including UK I presume, as he said throughout Europe) in little over a year, and Asia/Japan Im sure they owned. Pretty sure they outsold 360 WW with quite a bit even at $599. So it was not butchered at all.
It was not a good launch though, that I`ll agree. But many reasons contributed to that.
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CyberPanda
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Stop derailing the thread please
Nickolaidas
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Did you just assume your Playstation's gender?
Red_Driver85
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56CU at 1700MHz? It is hard to believe, because the chip will not just be very hot, it will also eat as not in itself. 450W power supply? Oh, a lot of things don't add up. Most likely the ceiling will be 1600MHz, - this can be achieved by slightly increasing the voltage. As for the PS5 chip, 36CU for backward compatibility and exorbitant frequencies to achieve the highest possible performance within such a modest configuration. It makes perfect sense to me.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Anyone else notice the similarities?
PS4 Reveal
PS5 Reveal?
PS4 Reveal
PS5 Reveal?
Imtjnotu
Member
Anyone else notice the similarities?
PS4 Reveal
PS5 Reveal?
It had to be happening
Geki-D
Banned
Anyone else notice the similarities?
PS4 Reveal
PS5 Reveal?
The PS4 Tweet was coming from Playstation, though. This CES announcement is just from vanilla Sony, right? Not actually SIE.
Nickolaidas
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The Future is NOW.
Or … next week.
Or … next month?
… next year?
.... I dunno.
Or … next week.
Or … next month?
… next year?
.... I dunno.
mrBarrelNut
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Actually hmqgg and I were in agreement for RDNA2 until recently..
The only thing left for Xsx to confirm is latest ram amount and bw.
I don't buy that MS is not using RDNA2. They quite specifically said in the reveal that they are using the "next generation RDNA architecture", not just customized current gen RDNA or something like that.
Power Your Dreams with Xbox Series X, Available Holiday 2020 - Xbox Wire
Xbox Game Studios unveils Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II, a new chapter in the award-winning Hellblade story from Ninja Theory For eighteen years and three console generations, the Xbox community has shown us the power both games and fun can have on all of us. As we enter a new generation of gaming...
news.xbox.com
I think they were far too specific with this one and it probably wasn't an accident.
Proelite
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I don't buy that MS is not using RDNA2. They quite specifically said in the reveal that they are using the "next generation RDNA architecture", not just customized current gen RDNA or something like that.
Power Your Dreams with Xbox Series X, Available Holiday 2020 - Xbox Wire
Xbox Game Studios unveils Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II, a new chapter in the award-winning Hellblade story from Ninja Theory For eighteen years and three console generations, the Xbox community has shown us the power both games and fun can have on all of us. As we enter a new generation of gaming...
I think they were far too specific with this one and it probably wasn't an accident.
I agree. But i think next gen RDNA and RDNA 2 might be different.
Lort
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Amd also calls it next gen RDNA, its RDNA 2 but it might technically be an earlier version and not specifically exactly the same as “RDNA2”.
Dee Dah Dave
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How many jigawatts are we at today?!
bitbydeath
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Yep, from Sony.
Agnostic2020
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Why such bitterness? I thought u were neutral ?
Certain Xbox fans love pretending to be neutral which is a very weird trait for plastic box . Just say I like Xbox and this is what I hope happens to ps. No need to hide behind anything bro
Gudji
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What a silly post.
Klee already told what he had to say. And so far with the official details we have, the info he provided is matching - other than lockhart, which everyone (including other insiders) thought it was dead.
Also regarding Matt he's a dev, he works directly with the hardware, he's the one that knows more than everyone else on ERA or in HERE. And just because he's not saying the things you like that doesn't make him fake.
To me it just sounds like you're salty as F. lmao
Of all insiders he's the most reliable so you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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Geki-D
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Yeah, so chances are it has nothing to do with video games because Sony & SIE sort of broke away from each other some time ago.
Read my post about Era. I am bitter towards era for many reason, one is perma baning me after 5-6 years on GAF back then in 2014Why such bitterness? I thought u were neutral ?
Certain Xbox fans love pretending to be neutral which is a very weird trait for plastic box . Just say I like Xbox and this is what I hope happens to ps. No need to hide behind anything bro
Agnostic2020
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This Oberon leak was amazing for Sony :
1- if it’s 9.2 everyone will be used to it by reveal so it won’t drawn the reveal
2-if it’s not 9.2 and higher Sony will have another 8gb moment for their conference.
win - win for them imo
everything will go to shit if it’s lower than 9 TF though ( God forbid )I would even go crazy if I see anything resembling 8
1- if it’s 9.2 everyone will be used to it by reveal so it won’t drawn the reveal
2-if it’s not 9.2 and higher Sony will have another 8gb moment for their conference.
win - win for them imo
everything will go to shit if it’s lower than 9 TF though ( God forbid )
I would even go crazy if I see anything resembling 8
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Agnostic2020
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Oh in the case u r allowed haha . I m also currently banned there for 3 weeks.But I m kinda loving it here as well. The whole like system is more interesting than era and promotes posting positiveRead my post about Era. I am bitter towards era for many reason, one is perma baning me after 5-6 years on GAF back then in 2014
XcloudTimdog
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Like I Said Neogaf > Era
Agnostic2020
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I just noticed they banned so many people btw from Xbox and ps side of things . I will be posting here mostly from now on . I will keep there for questions and stuff from insiders.
MilkyJoe
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I've seen this a few times
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't buy that MS is not using RDNA2. They quite specifically said in the reveal that they are using the "next generation RDNA architecture", not just customized current gen RDNA or something like that.
Power Your Dreams with Xbox Series X, Available Holiday 2020 - Xbox Wire
Xbox Game Studios unveils Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II, a new chapter in the award-winning Hellblade story from Ninja Theory For eighteen years and three console generations, the Xbox community has shown us the power both games and fun can have on all of us. As we enter a new generation of gaming...
I think they were far too specific with this one and it probably wasn't an accident.
From the AMD press release about the Microsoft Project partnership: https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2019/06/09/amd-powers-microsoft-project-scarlett
From your Xbox link:
A subtle but significant difference? But also if it was RDNA2 then these PRs (including Sony) would list it has such. I expect it is RDNA with RDNA2 features and RT plus maybe even roadmap RDNA 3 featues we don't even know about yet.
Agnostic2020
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But it doesn’t make sense . They can just disable CU when ps4 games is detected in ps5 like the patent they have for BC.ps5 would run with 36 cu when a ps4 game is detected
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Aceofspades
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On the flip side its a huge risk for MS:
1- if it’s NOT 12TF everyone will raise hell and accuse them of misleading .
2-if it’s 12TF and higher everyone will be , yeah we knew that already.
Agnostic2020
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But they needed to do that imo. The whole talk of next gen was around ps5. Even e3 video of Scarlett didn’t gather too much traction due to the whole me2 after Sony article .
But their game award reveal gained a good traction . So I count that as a win for them.
MilkyJoe
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Agnostic2020
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Highly doubt but if they can get ps3 up and running they need an award lol that thing was a mess and ps4 jag were weaker than ps3 cell . So it was impossible to emulate it. Let’s see if ps5 can immulate cell. That strong messy architecture lolMaybe something on there for PS 1/2/3 compatibility?
12Dannu123
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Its questionable if Sony designed PS4 OS and PS4 hardware with future BC in mind. Xbox Consoles and Xbox OS were designed with future BC in mind. Sony's solution to BC sounds very complicated and not standard.
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MilkyJoe
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Something's taking up that space...
Agnostic2020
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Yea that’s the weird part . At this point I ll be fucking shocked if ps5 is higher than 36 cu . I mean i ll be shocked if Sony and amd managed to hide the APU from the test data base.
from another side I ll be fucking shocked to see a retail console with 2 ghz.
So my gut is telling me something is off (apu is hidden )or ps5 will be 8TF
I ll fucking go insane if ps5 is below 9. God give me strength if that happens
and if ps5 is 8 to 9 TF why the fuck CEO of Sony was saying PS5 is targeted at people who like the highest most advanced technology?Lol(8 to 9 TF is amd 2019 line up and not the latest /greatest in 2020)
I m so conflicted with this whole scenario.
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DJ12
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Imagine if ps5 is 9.2 TFs and actual has more power than the Xbox with its supposed 12 like all the insiders are stating and ms is just perpetrating the fanboy message that it's 12 rnda flops when in fact it's 9.
There has to be a reason Phil didn't confirm when asked directly by a shilling partner if it was 12 tflops given he said twice the GPU power of Xbox one X.
Obviously this is just one scenario that could play out. That is if you believe people commenting from a position of knowledge is sourced from people actually writing games on both machines rather than people putting all there stock in twitter fame hunters and leaked documents they have absolutely no context for.
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