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[Kenpachii]

This is only true if an application was programmed to be compatible with a software abstraction layer, which PS4 wasn't. I think SONY's problems with backwards compatibility is because they let developers program their game to the metal, which makes it harder to make a new architecture compatible with PS4 games.

PS4 isn't? pretty sure it runs a os on the background right? that's a massive fucked for sony then if they didn't do it.

 

[Reindeer]

He's saying that 2Ghz is not happening it they are going with 36 CUs. Seems like he's learning towards there being a redesign.

 

[Norse]

Devs have the target specs but what if those targets aren't reached?

In other words, insiders may have target specs for both systems but that doesn't mean both will meet those targets.

 

[StrongGuy]

PS4 isn't? pretty sure it runs a os on the background right? that's a massive fucked for sony then if they didn't do it.

Cerny was talking about coding to the metal during 2013, I believe.
I also think this decision hindered SONY from adding more CUs to the PS5.

 

[TeamGhobad]

Happy New Year you crazy bastards, the year of the console wars has started. May the best man win.

 

[FranXico]

I also think this decision hindered SONY from adding more CUs to the PS5.

That wouldn't be the reason to stick with 36. Compatibility modes involve disabling a subset of the CUs (in multiples of 4 IIUC), alongside downclocking.

 

[StrongGuy]

That wouldn't be the reason to stick with 36. Compatibility modes involve disabling a subset of the CUs (in multiples of 4 IIUC), alongside downclocking.

What would be the reason for sticking with 36? Cost?

 

[onQ123]

Cerny was talking about coding to the metal during 2013, I believe.
I also think this decision hindered SONY from adding more CUs to the PS5.

If that was the case why didn't it stop them from adding CUs to the PS4 Pro?

 

[bitbydeath]

Do you think people will still think the AMD leak was real after it gets proven wrong?

 

[SportsFan581]

Devs have the target specs but what if those targets aren't reached?

They will adjust games as needed, up or down. Things can change with frequency late, based on yields or thermals, etc.

 

[FranXico]

What would be the reason for sticking with 36? Cost?

Cost would be a more likely explanation, yes. Goes without saying, bringing clock speeds up to 2GHz would lead to more expenses for cooling though.

 

[StrongGuy]

Cost would be a more likely explanation, yes. Goes without saying, bringing clock speeds up to 2GHz would lead to more expenses for cooling though.

Yes, this seems like a ridiculous compromise on SONY's end, wouldn't you say? Why the hell would Cerny do this, and why wouldn't the other engineers speak up about about this asshat design?
This decision may be even worse than Xbox ONE's eSRAM.

 

[mckmas8808]

Likewise, I expect a PS4 firmware update to give it DS5 support (like they did for the PS3).

What do you mean? What did they do with the PS3 and the controllers?

 

[FranXico]

Do you think people will still think the AMD leak was real after it gets proven wrong?

It's not wrong. It's test data. Interpretation is what could be right or wrong.

 

[FranXico]

What do you mean? What did they do with the PS3 and the controllers?

The PS3 got DS4 support through a firmware update.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's not wrong. It's test data. Interpretation is what could be right or wrong.

So yes, you would still double-down on it, even with its flaws?

 

[FranXico]

So yes, you would still double-down on it, even with its flaws?

I'm speaking in hypotheticals. I'm aware of the inconsistencies others refuse to notice.

 

[SportsFan581]

Yes, this seems like a ridiculous compromise on SONY's end, wouldn't you say? Why the hell would Cerny do this, and why wouldn't the other engineers speak up about about this asshat design?
This decision may be even worse than Xbox ONE's eSRAM.

I doubt any decision could top that in abstract. LOL

Although, the big mistake was Kinect, including it in the box caused the dev team to build a box based on a lower price point than Sony. With budgets this tight, even $40 or $50 could make a huge difference.

With both companies focusing on the consoles, the only way the specs get crazy different is if the price points are different.

 

[onQ123]

The PS3 got DS4 support through a firmware update.

Never knew this

 

[Pyramid Song]

Do you think people will still think the AMD leak was real after it gets proven wrong?

Yes. A lot of people want to push this narrative that PS5 is less powerful than XSX. And all this talk even before we have any leaks or idea about these machines. Apparently Sony cant make a powerfull machine for some reason

 

[Nickolaidas]

Never knew this

Not 100% though. I *think* there's some kind of inconsistency - it refuses to acknowledge certain buttons, or something?

 

[onQ123]

Not 100% though. I *think* there's some kind of inconsistency - it refuses to acknowledge certain buttons, or something?

oh so it just work like any bluetooth remote/controller/keyboard & mouse on PS3?

 

[Deto]

The PS3 got DS4 support through a firmware update.

No.

 

[Nickolaidas]

oh so it just work like any bluetooth remote/controller/keyboard & mouse on PS3?

Can I use a PS4 controller on a PS3?

I have a PS4, but I am going to my cousin's place and he has a PS3. Will my controller will be compatible with his PS3 console?

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The DualShock 4, which ships with Sony's next-gen PlayStation 4, now works wirelessly with Sony's last-gen PlayStation 3.

time.com

 

[Imtjnotu]

No.

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[Mass Shift]

Devs have the target specs but what if those targets aren't reached?

In other words, insiders may have target specs for both systems but that doesn't mean both will meet those targets.

But that's what the insiders have. Their assumptions are based on dev kits and target specs.

I'm leaving enough room for this whole thing to go south. Because if turns out in the end that nobody knew just wtf they were talking about I'll have nobody to blame but myself for getting carried away with all these TF Teams.

 

[Ovech-King]

I just like how this whole new consoles name thing is playing out;

" Rumors are saying that seX is better than the PS5"

 

[Nickolaidas]

I just like how this whole new consoles name thing is playing out;

" Rumors are saying that seX is better than the PS5"

I can already see the pro-Sony PR:

PS5. Better than seX.

 

[David Ricardo]

What would be the reason for sticking with 36? Cost?

There is no reason. PS5 having 36 CUs makes no sense. All leaks say PS5 and Series X are neck and neck, and for this to be true, PS5 must have more than 36 CUs.

 

[semicool]

There is no reason. PS5 having 36 CUs makes no sense. All leaks say PS5 and Series X are neck and neck, and for this to be true, PS5 must have more than 36 CUs.

Because it's not true

 

[semicool]

Apparently IGN is posting about DF's analysis: https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/1...mory-graphics-card-xbox-series-x-amd-next-gen

 

[DForce]

Do you think people will still think the AMD leak was real after it gets proven wrong?

You have one side saying this is it and Sony is going for a $399 model...

But then you have some credible insiders saying they'll be similar. Even with the leaks we have now, you have OsirisBlack stating with confidence that they'll be similar.


We don't know what these credible insiders know or what they have heard, so everyone might as well wait and see what happens when the official specs are revealed.

What I would like to see when the official specs are revealed?

People comeback and apologize. I know there might be some insiders & fans who will probably disappear.

 

[HarryKS]

Quite incredible how many websites of a certain repute like Tom's Hardware are spreading rumours as if they were gospel. Off of such little evidence.

 

[David Ricardo]

Because it's not true

 

[TheStruggler]

The OT for the new xbox HAS to be
Xbox Series X |OT| Congrats on the SeX

 

[DeepEnigma]

How do you know that you don’t like something if you’ve never tried it?

“The same way I know it’s 12, bruh!”

 

[DeepEnigma]

Do you think people will still think the AMD leak was real after it gets proven wrong?

If that happens...

Oh yes, console wars are like politics. Fan fiction will come up with some elaborate mental canon even if truth stares one right in the face. Tribal cognitive dissonance.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not 100% though. I *think* there's some kind of inconsistency - it refuses to acknowledge certain buttons, or something?

It just didn’t have rumble support.

 

[Bryank75]

The OT for the new xbox HAS to be
Xbox Series X |OT| Congrats on the SeX

Will this be the Series X start up music?

 

[onQ123]

Do you think people will still think the AMD leak was real after it gets proven wrong?

I'm pretty sure it's real but it was probably used for testing enhanced BC with the new CPU & GPU generation

 

[SenjutsuSage]

He claimed in the past that PS5 is the one that's slightly stronger with a superior RT implementation, but we'll see. Insiders have had a poor record lately.

And the record continues.

 

[sneas78]

Happy New Year you crazy bastards, the year of the console wars has started. May the best flops* win.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Drop a few settings and that 20% is gone. Anything that 12 tflop box can run a 9tflop box will also. Stuff is so scalable these days.

Not where ray tracing is concerned if current information remains true.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

He claimed in the past that PS5 is the one that's slightly stronger with a superior RT implementation, but we'll see. Insiders have had a poor record lately.

But only insiders which claimed things for PS5. For Xbox, ALL OF THEM are releveant. Even TimDog.

 

[xPikYx]

Happy new year Neogaf community I wish you a wonderful 2020 full of teraflops and Ray Tracing, lov ya

 

[StrongGuy]

But only insiders which claimed things for PS5. For Xbox, ALL OF THEM are releveant. Even TimDog.

I don't trust any insider. I think most of them are just trolling and get a hard-on by manipulating hardcore gamers.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

So yes, you would still double-down on it, even with its flaws?

DF did that article and video for a good reason. It must align with what they already know, so they knew once that leak happened it was something they could safely run with.

 

[bitbydeath]

DF did that article and video for a good reason. It must align with what they already know, so they knew once that leak happened it was something they could safely run with.

DF aren’t insiders, they only report on the public information.

 

[Imtjnotu]

DF did that article and video for a good reason. It must align with what they already know, so they knew once that leak happened it was something they could safely run with.

Df said we were also get 8tf consoles lol

 

[TeamGhobad]

how will AMD have both MS and Sony at their press conference? isn't that a bit weird?