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SenjutsuSage
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In reply to demigod
Ohh, you're betting me on the 9.2? Okay, I'm NOT taking that bet lol because I don't expect Sony to be at 9.2. I knew about sony being 9.2TF way before the AMD leaks and texted and dm'ed people proof of that fact. Someone I dm'd about it even posts on here. I said exactly that number along with other information I was told. I was 100% certain about the source and knew it had to be true which is why i confidently told who i did. That said, I was also told that sony will aim to be as close to 11 as possible. I was told things far beyond that, but that's as far as I'm willing to say publicly, so I can see privately how all else I was told played out.
If it turns out that everything said was legit, I'll publish proof of all I got with time stamps to verify that it isn't something I just came up with after the fact. I don't believe DF is saying it's 9.2 either, but I firmly believe that DF heard that number from credible enough sources to actually run with the story once they saw a leak from AMD that was backing up the same information. I don't think that article is DF saying "The PS5 is only 9.2TF" I think they're saying "This information looks pretty legit, we've independently confirmed this, and the reasons to credibly doubt the information shown, strikes us fairly thin."
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Hellgardia
Member
and what might this be?
TeamGhobad
Banned
ps5 logo
Nickolaidas
Member
6TH OF JANUARY, 13 TFs CONFIRMED LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(at least, I hope that's the case)
(at least, I hope that's the case)
CyberPanda
Banned
A photoshopped logo someone made on Reee
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TeamGhobad
Banned
so what is the ps5? ballpark figure? how many CU's?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Also said both console were double digit TFs.
TeamGhobad
Banned
2.2ghz?
Aceofspades
Banned
No, 56Cus or more
DJ12
Member
Well you cannot all be right as those two have ps5 with the slight advantage you have the Xbox.
TeamGhobad
Banned
ok you have a source or is it just wishful thinking?
policestationx
Banned
PS3 nearly vanished the entire PS1 and PS2 profit.
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
Use stupid for me dumb it down
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its close enough power wise that honestly they may very well be right.
I mainly am saying the systems being within 10% ish of each other we all win.
Just my 2 cents
TeamGhobad
Banned
he said ps5 was more powerful than xbox series x.
DJ12
Member
Shame the licensing costs and sales of blu ray isn't included though guessing then it would be a different story.
No blu ray in PS3 and that war would have raged for a couple of years at least.
TheStruggler
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Well shit thats no fun for anyone. When I cheer my fav sports team I dont want them to only be 10% better than my opponent
:S
ANIMAL1975
Member
Doble digit tfs was about both consoles being above the 10tf figure.
And if I'm not mistaken it was OsirisBlack that said better RT solution, don't remember Klee claiming that.
TheStruggler
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Gamernyc78
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I think those boxes being so close say like a 12tf to say 12.5/13tf machine would be great. Really if numbers are close like tht no one should be giving a fuck about a power advantage. I'm invested in it only bcus most leaks have had ps5 with the advantage and ppl are basically saying "oh thts bs those leaks don't count" lol so now I want it to be true.
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Nickolaidas
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I keep reading from various boards and sites that Lockheart at 300$ will be a problem for Sony because people won't be willing to fork out 400-500$ for a PS5 console.
I never understood this mindset.
You buy a console which you intend to use for 7 years, more or less. Are people really willing to not buy the console they want because they couldn't afford 200 bucks (which is 2-4 AAA games)? It's not like you give this money and 6 months later you have to buy another console. This is a decision that sticks with you for 7 years. And taking under consideration the money you intend to spend on games (which could be 50-200 dollars a month), you do not invest in the console you want because you can't afford to spend 200 bucks more?
If 500 dollars / euro for a purchase / investment lasting 7 years is too much for you … maybe you're in the wrong hobby.
I never understood this mindset.
You buy a console which you intend to use for 7 years, more or less. Are people really willing to not buy the console they want because they couldn't afford 200 bucks (which is 2-4 AAA games)? It's not like you give this money and 6 months later you have to buy another console. This is a decision that sticks with you for 7 years. And taking under consideration the money you intend to spend on games (which could be 50-200 dollars a month), you do not invest in the console you want because you can't afford to spend 200 bucks more?
If 500 dollars / euro for a purchase / investment lasting 7 years is too much for you … maybe you're in the wrong hobby.
Gamernyc78
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Then Tommy who has since disappeared had like a graph with a breakdown and had some numbers and plus and minus signs with PS5 being on top in most categories. Idk but even though he's ghost I got a feeling Tommy's info is going to turn out legit. Sony also seems to be doing some in house, engineering stuff for RT thtll be their secret sauce. Remember this is the same Sony tht had diff chip on PS4 to handle downloads, uploading, social features, etc.. I wouldn't put it past them. Thy innovated with shareplay now even pc has its version and Xbox had some really watered down mixer version few years ago.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
A lower cost device is always going to entice the average consumer. If its a hobby that they aren't super invested in or only are into it casually, the cheapest entry point is always what they look at first.
Gamernyc78
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Ppl paid 600 for ps3 and it outsold world wide every month what was perceptual a the better console upon its release. This ps5 will be around 500 ppl, will buy it no problems and it'll dominate in sales. Price plays a big part but ppl are married into the Sony ecosystem for many different reasons.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Just my opinion here this is not MS controlled PR talk but how Mike really feels.
And I would think with his current position he would have access to both devkits but I am just guessing
And I would think with his current position he would have access to both devkits but I am just guessing
DJ12
Member
That's fair enough. As long as ps5 isn't massively weaker I don't really care. Game pass for pc has rendered Xbox consoles dead to me anyway.
TeamGhobad
Banned
this was him last week:
Gamernyc78
Banned
Just my opinion here this is not MS controlled PR talk but how Mike really feels.
And I would think with his current position he would have access to both devkits but I am just guessing
And there's nothing wrong with his comment, he's definitely not saying one is better than the other. If asked I'm sure he'd make a similar comment about PS5. Thy can both make the best hardware thy can, given their budgets and vision for developers and both can claim tht if it turns out true.
They also say it is 36 CUs @2GHz which simply is not happening unless a lot of work has been done to make it clock higher but it would probably still be cheaper to just go bigger at lower clocks.
2GHz is desktop levels of clocks if you are looking at making a 300W tdp discreet GPU. It is not something to use in a console.
xPikYx
Member
Is this official? I was thinking already of something similar, my vision was same as this but had the S on a side and a 5 on the other side recalling the V shape of the dev kit
Nickolaidas
Member
Another scenario I admit I didn't think of is the parent who wants to buy a console for his/her/they/xorn young child and just see it as a toy. If the parent can buy said console with 200-300 bucks instead of forking over 600 bucks, then yeah, makes sense.
vpance
Member
Even if it is a problem Sony can just release their own cut down PS5 a little later. Both companies have access to the same tech. And Sony will have the benefit of seeing how well the public takes to it before jumping in with a risky 2 SKU strategy.
If there really is an untapped market of casuals looking to buy a cut down $299 next gen console at launch then there will be plenty of customers to go around.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I believe it's someone's Photoshop they posted on Ree.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Tht can happen but if kids are anything like mine and his friends (all 12 year Olds) those kids do not want any console, thy want what thy ask for. My son has Xbox, switch and PS4 and he only games on his ps4. If I had bought him only an Xbox or switch and not a PS4 all hell would have broken out lol mindshare is very real. No trolling but he's constantly talking to his friends on group chat and saying stuff like "Xbox is trash" It's an experience thing but also a me tal one. Price
he's not buying it so he doesn't care lol. The parents msy but most parents try to make the kids happy especially during Christmas.
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DeepEnigma
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What if MS releases "Lockhart" later as well, since they sure aren't talking about it like they are with series X?
Phil's last comment was to pretend it did not exist and claim "consoles" was for SAD and Scarlet. Or at least eluded to with some ambiguity.
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Gamernyc78
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What if MS releases "Lockhart" later as well, since they sure aren't talking about it like they are with series X?
Phil's last comment was to pretend it did not exist and claim "consoles" was for SAD and Scarlet. Or at least eluded to with some ambiguity.
And thts fine, I think it'll be gd saleswise for xbox but tht won't affect ps5 sales. Ppl are locked in with Sony for many diff reasons. Thy are sure to bring out a hardware thts good, has some innovation and has evolved at a good price. Shit some ppl will even jump in when the new psvr is shown. Thy both can do good in sales. My household has all three consoles.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It's video games.
Probably the only industry in the world where prices can't go up without extreme blowback.
Everything else from bags of cookies to cell phones to cars can go up in price and nobody cares. Yet a console maker wants to increase a system $100-200 so it can have better specs, a console will give a gamer a solid 5-6 years of gaming until the next system comes out, yet when you do the math the big uproar is due to $20-40/yr for 5 years.
A big protest.
Then, on the weekend, the same person will go out buy a pizza and a case of beer. There goes the extra money that could have been set aside for a better game system.
Google says a Honda Civic in 1995 was about $10-12k US. A 2019 model is about $20k. So Honda's shittiest level car has rose about $8-10k in 25 years. Around double the price. And nobody cares.
Game consoles were $300 in the mid 90s, inched up to $400 in recent gens. And now is talk of PS5/Series X being $500.
And some gamers really want the system to go back to $400.
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Fortuneelsewhere
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I posted this yesterday but seems no one give it much weight... think it can be something...
vpance
Member
What if MS releases "Lockhart" later as well, since they sure aren't talking about it like they are with series X?
Phil's last comment was to pretend it did not exist and claim "consoles" was for SAD and Scarlet. Or at least eluded to with some ambiguity.
The longer they wait to release it the less of an effect it'll have at trying to disrupt Sony's selling power. Console allegiance for the leader will snowball and gets stronger as the gen moves on so MS should want to release it at launch to slow them down.
Maybe though MS will wait until the last second to give the green light on Lockhart, which is probably just after Sony does their reveal, and MS has some idea of the pre-orders for XSX.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I posted this yesterday but seems no one give it much weight... think it can be something...
If anything we MIGHT get a date for the PS Meeting type of reveal but I don't expect anything from this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sounds like a huge waste of R&D with this approach, depending on the outcome of green lighting or not.
Maxwell House
Member
It is very difficult for me to believe PS5 will only be 9.2 TF when Series X is 12 TF. I think PS5 is at least 11 TF.
Ovech-King
Member
So now that are we pretty sure 9.2tflops for PS5 at 399$ is BS , Jim Ryan saying we'll see a fast pace for transition from PS4 to PS5 would be because of the full BC.....?
I'll crack the code Jim , soon I will !!!!
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NickFire
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I am convinced it launches day 1, but that MS just doesn't plan to talk about it yet because it wants the public discourse to settle on Series X being more powerful than PS5.
And I kind of get why that is (even though I want the dirt yesterday). What value is really there in announcing it now? IMO, none for MS really. The people most invested in talking about next gen most likely will just shit on it over the gpu, so why take a premature swipe at the casuals who aren't paying much attention yet anyway. And if they plan to pull a Sony by dropping a price lower than expected, what better place than E3 when the MSM media is there?
Gamernyc78
Banned
So now that are we pretty sure 9.2tflops for PS5 at 399$ is BS , Jim Ryan saying we'll see a fast pace for transition from PS4 to PS5 would be because of the full BC.....?
I'll crack the code Jim , soon I will !!!!
I said tht as soon as as tht comment was made. It's in relation to the full bc between games and even psvr.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Yes I agree but we may have some footage and kind of a brief insight regarding some PS5 features that will tie with the rest of their consumer ecosystem teasing more news coming soon..
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