Imtjnotu
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Look man I read palms in my spare time and when I looked into the future the number 7 was reoccurring. So 7TF team still lives
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CrustyBritches
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My PC gaming friend's dad works at Intel where they've been spying on AMD to make sure they don't get to far ahead of PC with consoles and he said, "Nothing to worry about, boys."
Mr.XtremeGamer
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Here's a hoot. First people were insisting PS5 only had software RT when it was unclear in the first Wired article, then when Cerny addressed that directly and said it was hardware in the second one, it's this. How would you even make RT only applicable to shadows, makes no sense.
And that's before I noticed the username
That's just an xbox fanboy (the very definition of it) twisting the narrative to fit his own agenda against a platform he has a massive animosity towards. 6 Years have passed since the release of the ps4 and that guy still uses excuses and pretends to know what he's talking about, when in reality he's so clueless that it's just ridiculous. His statements don't make any sense. I called him out on his BS and mentioned about that so called "secret" second gpu that was in the xbox one and next thing you know, he blocked me. So misterxmedia is just a moron who can't handle it when the real facts are thrown straight at his face. RT existed long before Microsoft even came up with the idea of DXR, it just needed hardware capable enough to run it. Microsoft never patented it or licensed any hardware to anybody for raytracing, nvidia made it themselves and they barely scratched the surface as raytracing hardware continues to evolve. They are just damage controlling alongside their favourite moron misterxmedia after Cerny confirmed what they didn't want him to confirm. Rt on just shadows? Yeah not a smart statement to make, the minute you implement raytracing in hardware you can employ it in just about anywhere, so long as the hardware can handle it and it's optimised, Raytraced shadows, reflections and global illumination (the two most demanding), indirect/diffuse lighting, ambient occlusion, hell even sound which killzone shadowfall used a variation of ingame in conjunction with a limited form of raytraced reflections to increase immersion back in 2013. Anybody can use dedicated raytracing hardware so long as it's available, it's not exclusive to anybody. And it's a good thing most people recognise misterxmedia as who he is, just a mindless, feral xbox fanatic who would do everything to promote his favourite platform and push his nonsensical opinions on others. I bet he doesn't even really know what a gpu is. Let that xbox fanboy have his fun, he's going to be the one who's going to be laughed at and humiliated in the end, not that he hasn't humiliated himself countless of times.
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TeamGhobad
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Aceofspades
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No summary for what this doof is saying? Not listening to half an hour of MS shilling.
TeamGhobad
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MIke Ybarra is leaving. (good news he thought anthem was a good game.)
Dona is also leaving MS, don't know her.
Imtjnotu
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Ya imma wait for the cliff notes
Fake
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Can't be worst than Shinobi with MEA and Anthem.
TeamGhobad
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The day Phil Spencer leaves is the day Xbox dies. Peter Moore should have never left. The guy is genius. Look at what he's done with Liverpool.
StreetsofBeige
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The biggest change is he's commentating without standing in front of a giant microphone.
Lunatic_Gamer
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Take it with a handful of salt.
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Negotiator
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Multiple events? Why? It already sounds like torture* to drip feed us with next-gen tidbits.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture
Lone Wolf
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Shillnobi
TeamGhobad
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foxy games spreads nothing but bullshit. he has no sources. he's just makes videos for views. its fake news.
sonomamashine
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he's out of words, out of source, guessing what Sony already did with the PS4 reveal.
DeepEnigma
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I literally never click on these YouTube bait videos, that is not how we are ever going to get our tangible leaks.
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TLZ
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TeamGhobad
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Sosokrates
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This talk, that next gen will be about framerate and speed is somewhat concerning to me.
Even with a 7-8tflop GPU i do expect more sophisticated rendering techniques and quality.
I basically see it as an impossibility to not get better visuals next gen.
Take the best of this gen visually (RDR2) that can be achieved at 4k on the X1X, now the zen2 cpu and ssd would enable that game to be 60fps and super fast loading, but even at 7tflops(rdna) the dev still has a lot more resources to increase visual fedelity.
The only time I would accept no visuals upgrade would be a big upgrade in world, NPC and gameplay realism, E.g If GTA6 was next gen only but had RDR2 level visuals but had many more Npcs, with realistic behaviors, routine and interactions, 80% enterable interiors, npcs with complete routine(they go to work, go home, cook dinner, eat dinner, watch TV etc) and has a vast world where you can plane travel vast distance to whole new locations. If this was the case I would not mind if visuals remained very similar to this gen.
But this is not going to be the case with all games and I hope games like uncharted or gears continue to set new visual standards.
Framrate and accessibility is a great area to improve, but if there is not a decent visual upgrade the fans will but very disappointed.
Sosokrates
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Yeah, foxy gamer knows fuck all, anyone could just make videos based on news from forums.
Insane Metal
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That dude is creepy as hell.
Rbk_3
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I think Mr. Klopp has a lot to say about that.
Negotiator
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Interesting post:
www.resetera.com
It kinda reinforces my theory that both consoles will have a common APU (~400mm2) designed by Sony/MS & AMD. The only difference will be clocks/cooling system and the software stack (OS, UI, APIs, exclusives, services).
Azure-cloud based consoles might even be dual-boot (FreeBSD/PS5, Windows/XB2) for all I know.
I can't wait to see the meltdowns if this is true...
Kleegamefan said:
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air OT
No. It's not quite like CGI, but it way better than current stuff. I so hope that it shows up in a reveal so you can see it.
www.resetera.com
It kinda reinforces my theory that both consoles will have a common APU (~400mm2) designed by Sony/MS & AMD. The only difference will be clocks/cooling system and the software stack (OS, UI, APIs, exclusives, services).
Azure-cloud based consoles might even be dual-boot (FreeBSD/PS5, Windows/XB2) for all I know.
I can't wait to see the meltdowns if this is true...
joe_zazen
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why'd there be meltdowns if both are peddling the exact same mass market $449 boxes?
Fake
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In what way? This was discussed a long long time ago that PS5 and Scarlet will have almost similar specs. No big surprise. Unless both choise other company rather than AMD, consider this to be normal in future consoles.Interesting post:
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air OT
No. It's not quite like CGI, but it way better than current stuff. I so hope that it shows up in a reveal so you can see it.
Damn, even old DF videos talk about that (about how boring will be because next gen are similar in specs).
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Negotiator
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More like $499 IMHO and it'll be worth it.
What I'm thinking is that perhaps the Azure partnership between Sony and MS might be the start of something deeper and more long-term, including hardware R&D.
Negotiator
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Well, some people still believe we're gonna see a large gulf (300 vs 400mm2, $399 vs $499). I don't think that'll be the case.
Both consoles must have had a lot of prototypes and experimental APUs. Doesn't mean it's the final design.
IIRC, PS4 Pro had a 2nd SKU option with a Zen1 CPU (according to OsirisBlack), but it was canned. Or maybe it wasn't canned from an R&D perspective and it became a proto-PS5.
Fake
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If are the same people who keep ignoring almost 225 pages of conversation, so yes. Even that DF thread people keeping saying 'hate the final design', but they don't read the article, watch the video or even read the other members post. Its hard to take those person account for this.
Aceofspades
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Interesting post:
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air OT
No. It's not quite like CGI, but it way better than current stuff. I so hope that it shows up in a reveal so you can see it.
It kinda reinforces my theory that both consoles will have a common APU (~400mm2) designed by Sony/MS & AMD. The only difference will be clocks/cooling system and the software stack (OS, UI, APIs, exclusives, services).
Azure-cloud based consoles might even be dual-boot (FreeBSD/PS5, Windows/XB2) for all I know.
I can't wait to see the meltdowns if this is true...
Are you telling me that Microsoft talented HW engineers and unlimited cash reserves couldn't design a console that outperforms PS5? What happened to the mighty Anaconda? Lol
Unlike Sony, Microsoft definitely needs any advantage over PS5.
Fake
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To be honest, this is those dumbass Xbox insiders fault for letting their mind blow by wired articles.
Well, unless Microsoft have a spy inside the Sony PS5 headquarters, its hard to know the specs for make a proper comparison. Even more hard is to make perfomance x price.
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sonomamashine
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No shit, your theory ?Interesting post:
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air OT
No. It's not quite like CGI, but it way better than current stuff. I so hope that it shows up in a reveal so you can see it.
It kinda reinforces my theory that both consoles will have a common APU (~400mm2) designed by Sony/MS & AMD. The only difference will be clocks/cooling system and the software stack (OS, UI, APIs, exclusives, services).
Azure-cloud based consoles might even be dual-boot (FreeBSD/PS5, Windows/XB2) for all I know.
I can't wait to see the meltdowns if this is true...
Negotiator
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It's not a matter of talent.
It's a matter of economies of scale. If MS can pony up some cash to secure 7nm+ wafers and manufacture bigger and more performant chips and Sony in exchange offered them their RT secret sauce, then why not? Win-win.
One thing's for sure: both companies will use the exact same cloud infrastructure (Azure) due to economies of scale, even though this scenario would sound crazy 1-2 years ago. Maybe hardware R&D is the inevitable next step. That's all I'm saying.
PS5 will also exist in the cloud, not just in retail form. It would make sense to have a common APU just for that.
Shangounchained
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Okay this is how I understand memory, the CPU or GPU fetches from memory say u have 8gb of assets on a 8gb card so your program will run as quick depending on your memory speeds as in bandwidth and so forth so I'm trying to figure out how the rumoured ssd virtual ram will work cause it isn't as fast as graphics ram I mean if it's 4gb/s then even if it's 64gb of ssd memory available it's still too slow, you need 30fps as a minimum so 4gb/30 FPS = 0.1 GB of assets in a single frame which is pointless cause current games use 5.6gb+ vram usage per frame, and the rumoured 48gb gddr6 at 580gb/s ÷ 30fps = 19.3 GB of vram usage in a single 30fps frame so why go with 48gb if 24gb is more efficient cause u won't see 48gb of data in a frame or a scene? Unless you double the bandwidth! Anyway I just needed some clarification if there's professionals in this subject!
a multicultural team of v
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I have no idea what you are trying to say but I don't think anyone is expecting or even said the SSD will be swapping data on a per frame basis. However, for most purposes, and especially if the RAM pool is large, one or two seconds is enough time (if the loading is fast enough) to give the illusion of instantaneous.
Like if you were going to instantly teleport to another area on an open world map, it will take you a few seconds just to pick where (and since its SSD it could literally be preloading whatever you are pointing at on the map as you move the cursor around), and then if they add in a "are you sure?" prompt, by the time you hit X and the prompt fades away it could have loaded enough of the close surrounding destination area so that you immediately teleport. It would then only take a few more seconds to load the rest of the data, which you wouldn't even notice because your in game speed wouldn't allow you to move fast enough to go past the initial load area anyway.
It isnt going to be loading textures per frame to have like 200 gigs of textures in a scene...
Like if you were going to instantly teleport to another area on an open world map, it will take you a few seconds just to pick where (and since its SSD it could literally be preloading whatever you are pointing at on the map as you move the cursor around), and then if they add in a "are you sure?" prompt, by the time you hit X and the prompt fades away it could have loaded enough of the close surrounding destination area so that you immediately teleport. It would then only take a few more seconds to load the rest of the data, which you wouldn't even notice because your in game speed wouldn't allow you to move fast enough to go past the initial load area anyway.
It isnt going to be loading textures per frame to have like 200 gigs of textures in a scene...
Shangounchained
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So why is the rumoured ssd virtual ram capacity 32-64 gigs I mean if it's say 4gb/s then u don't need all that memory with 24 GB of fast gddr6 makes me think they'll just use that ssd as how they use normal ssd's to load levels faster but not assets per scene as u said, my point is PS4 has 170gb/s of 8gb that's 5.6 GB of vram at 30fps and 2.8 at 60 which makes sense but 64gb of ssd virtual ram and 48gb gddr6 580gb/s doesn't make sense it's alot of ram with slow bandwidth it's not economical it looks like a waste of money or maybe the rumours are false!
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CrustyBritches
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I was refreshing my memory of Midsummer Night's Dream, and evidently Oberon is the King of Faeries who puts magic drops in people's eyes to make them fall in love with the next thing they see. This has to be the PS5 SoC. 
Now that we've had the 5700-series AiBs for a bit I decided to revisit the 3DMark results database and here's some random data:
Now that we've had the 5700-series AiBs for a bit I decided to revisit the 3DMark results database and here's some random data:
Jack Videogames
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1) Yes
2) No
3) Maybe
4) I don't know
5) Can you repeat the question?
2) No
3) Maybe
4) I don't know
5) Can you repeat the question?
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michaelius
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Op you are 100 years too late
And as for actual usage in PS5 - most likely part of SSD will be reserved to operate like SLC cells giving another faster to access level of memory.
SSD in consoles will most likely be painfully slow QLC or maybe if we are lucky TLC so it'll make sense to move stuff that might need to be accessed soon to it during gameplay.
Stream of Consciousness - Examples and Definition
Definition, Usage and a list of Stream of Consciousness Examples in common speech and literature. Stream of consciousness is a method of narration that describes in words the flow of thoughts in the minds of the characters.
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And as for actual usage in PS5 - most likely part of SSD will be reserved to operate like SLC cells giving another faster to access level of memory.
SSD in consoles will most likely be painfully slow QLC or maybe if we are lucky TLC so it'll make sense to move stuff that might need to be accessed soon to it during gameplay.
CrustyBritches
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LostDonkey
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