Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Still believes GTS has better models, shadows and texture. Believe what you want, evidence is here and its clear.
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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Thanks Turk.Here you go mate, rain i will post tomorow
Bogroll
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I can see that the texture is not correct on Forza 7 but be honest it doesn't make it look worse does it. Are you using photo mode on GTS tho? I've not got access to my Pro and i don't think iv'e got that car yet anyway.Yes exactly like the La Ferrari or the McLaren I showed you. That's when I knew a discussion with you was futile. I told you specifically my issue isn't resolution or polycount it's the use of generic/incorrect textures which make the model look bad even when you're playing the game. It's like you didn't even read anything posted because what did you do? talk of LoD/ resolution and poly count. When I told you to zoom in and provide comparable shots, what did you do? Not provide a zoom on the picture which shows my point and which is clearly visible from behind. Why? because your cherry picked doctored shots to hide and highlight specific things are your agenda. I should have known when you dismissed photos and replays in GT as 'doesn't count' yet are awfully concerned with just zooming in on low res textures in 'photomode' but alas when you posted these shots I know discussion with you specifically is pretty pointless.
Here in case it is still hard and your "blind" as you say others are to see it, I'll provide the zoom for you so that the images are comparable in terms of what I've been saying all the time
Forza 7:
The grill is low res on the other shot but at least it's not an incorrect generic texture I can clearly always see, even in gameplay without the zoom like the headlights, like the McLaren, etc. I'll let you have a guess why Forza uses black leather on cars that have coloured leather too. So it's cool that you completely ignore every discussion and post anyway. You would rather post cherry picked shots but this thread is worse off for it. It's become a cesspool of you and others (from either side) calling others fanboys, blind, delusional, and using words like 'them' to refer to anyone who doesn't agree with you. It's left me questioning my sanity for continually returning to it.
Yes it does because it's wrong and clearly visible. Those are his own shots and yeah he used 'photomode'. Only the photomode where it is the same ingame though.
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it_wasn't_me
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Looks who's talking. LOL
thelastword
Just a tip - this guy who called you a fanboy, he came from misterxmedia.com forum site. You know what you should expect from him or from any member who came from there.
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
If the texture in Forza is wrong what the hell is the texture on GTS then? its round and pixelated. Forza atleast matches the real patern. This is what i mean with you guys just blindly criticizing Forza.
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It's not round at all but ok. Then you clearly can't see the right most headlight either. Not going to feed you anymore. See you around.If the texture in Forza is wrong what the hell is the texture on GTS then? its round and pixelated. Forza atleast matches the real patern. This is what i mean with you guys just blindly criticizing Forza.
Forza's lighting bulb look more like the real thing
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Bye
Gingen
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First you are still using photomode, where GTS uses higher quality car model. Second you completely ignore my gameplay shot where Forza looks better. Third because of little stretched vender texture you say that car models look better in GTS ok. Just for you i will use photomode to help GTS
La Ferrari
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stop misrepresenting GTS cherry picking every single LOD problem of the game
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Yeah keep posting scape Photo's, cuz thats how the in game model looks right? Haha you know whats funny, its still lower res than Forza. The paterns are also more accurate in Forza.stop misrepresenting GTS cherry picking every single LOD problem of the game
Gingen
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LuvOfThaGame
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When you've had a front row seat to the circus, it's much easier to spot the dancing monkeys. But by all means, keep feeding him your peanuts.Looks who's talking. LOL
Just a tip - this guy who called you a fanboy, he came from misterxmedia.com forum site. You know what you should expect from him or from any member who came from there.
GTS has three major 3D models. First, a high definition model called scapes, this is a model that can never be displayed in the race.
Second model, a model for photo mode, this is a model that performed jaggy reduction and tessellation processing on racing models.
The third model is a running model.
And the first scapes model that fan boy posts.
Like this
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Second model, a model for photo mode, this is a model that performed jaggy reduction and tessellation processing on racing models.
The third model is a running model.
And the first scapes model that fan boy posts.
Like this
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Ah now you are comparing the Xbox One with the Pro lol. Was the PC and X too much? Also why didn't you reply to my post where i showed you that even in scape mode the grill was better in Forza. Are you that desperate that you first use scape mode and than compare the livery of the weakest console to show a games livery quality. And then you call my shots cherry picked.FM7 real livery resolution on a standard xbox one.....
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Gingen
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So posting images of GTS only in 1080p mode (only time trial, only bad angles, only bugged cars, etc) is good and right.... posting normal images of FM7 from a standard xbox one is despair.... looks like you are the only desperate
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Yeah comparing 1080p vs 1080p is not fair right? All my forza shots where in 1080p. Also all my last shots are in 1800CB mode so stop crying. You talk constantly about bugged cars this, bugged cars that. What kind of bug is this, the game is already 6 months old. Also funny that this "lod bug" is on every car. You and the other here just can't accept the fact that Forza has the better model in game.
Mattyp
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What is the point of this when it was 4K anime livery shot vs 4K anime livery shot?
it_wasn't_me
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Lol. I see you have experience being in circus. Like i said in previous post : " he came from misterxmedia.com forum site. You know what you should expect from him". I'm not surprised.
Gingen
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the point is that on machines with the same amount of ram (8 GB for both ONE S and PS4/PS4 PRO) GTS has better livery textures than FM7.... FM7 has better livery textures only on machines with much more ram than a PS4/PS4 PRO
That quote makes about as much sense as this quote:
"When you turn off the power to the Xbox One X, the PS4 has better in-game models!"
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Turk1993
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LuvOfThaGame
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You're right. Because i was a member of another site, along with several others, everyone must discard everything i say. Thelastword is gospel. We must worship the spoken word. Thanks for correcting me. Lol.
Bogroll
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can someone just post gameplay pic of this on a Pro please. I'm on my phone for the next week, no access to my machines.stop misrepresenting GTS cherry picking every single LOD problem of the game
thelastword
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So this thread is no longer about legit comparisons and proper arguments but about cherrypicking shots and trolling........People have no arguments so they attack other persons instead of explaining their position, people just spam shots out of context without specifics or a technical breakdown and believe that they are doing god's work....Carry on then, I'll leave this video here....
Even from Forza 5, Eh!...even Forza 4 as has been shown previously, many elements of Forza was stripped down. All that Fog in the background in F7 to mask detail and save GPU cycles, lower shadow detail in F7 over F6 or prior entries, better foliage in F4 tracks over F7 et al.........
Anytime you see a game is so huge in size this generation, it's because it's "baking" perhaps with more aplomb than Martha Stewart.......About 100GB for Forza 7, all that shadow and reflection data won't render in real-time or use heavy GPU cycles to render....so all of those shadows are baked right into a Forza file with the bluray diode, ready to pop as innacurately as possible on your screen or "not" in some circumstances.
I think Forza 7 has shown what it has, that ship has sailed, it's been debated ad-nauseum and Forza 7 has been shown to be a sacrificial lamb to the tune of a low-spec base XBOX ONE-S, not that the base xbox power mattered anyway, because Poliphony was always ahead of T10 by many leagues technically; on PS2, on PS3 on PS4....... Best thing to do is to await what MS will show at E3 for Forza and perhaps the cycle will continue, as few things ever change in life, but eh! we shall see...
Even from Forza 5, Eh!...even Forza 4 as has been shown previously, many elements of Forza was stripped down. All that Fog in the background in F7 to mask detail and save GPU cycles, lower shadow detail in F7 over F6 or prior entries, better foliage in F4 tracks over F7 et al.........
Anytime you see a game is so huge in size this generation, it's because it's "baking" perhaps with more aplomb than Martha Stewart.......About 100GB for Forza 7, all that shadow and reflection data won't render in real-time or use heavy GPU cycles to render....so all of those shadows are baked right into a Forza file with the bluray diode, ready to pop as innacurately as possible on your screen or "not" in some circumstances.
I think Forza 7 has shown what it has, that ship has sailed, it's been debated ad-nauseum and Forza 7 has been shown to be a sacrificial lamb to the tune of a low-spec base XBOX ONE-S, not that the base xbox power mattered anyway, because Poliphony was always ahead of T10 by many leagues technically; on PS2, on PS3 on PS4....... Best thing to do is to await what MS will show at E3 for Forza and perhaps the cycle will continue, as few things ever change in life, but eh! we shall see...
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Dural
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This thread is to debate the best next gen racing graphics regardless of hardware specs, it could be running on a 1080ti and it wouldn't matter. All you're doing is bringing console wars into here.
I guess it depends on what you prioritize, turn 10 had been dead set on maintaining a solid 60fps no matter what. That obviously has had an effect on the "graphics" of the game. Frame rate should be considered part of the graphics, but obviously in these racing raphics threads it doesn't have any bearing; it's all about screenshots. Yes, some of the models from turn 10 aren't up there with polyphony, but that all comes down to them subcontracting some if them and their schedule.
Turk1993
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sigrad
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I'm aware of that.
But modeling 700+ cars and 32 tracks for your game takes more time and resources and may ,or may not, be as detailed as 100+ cars and 16 tracks. Whether or not you think GT:S looks better than Forza 7 or vice versa, what Turn 10 is doing graphically with all the content they put in Forza 7 is really impressive.
I didn't think my earlier post was that hard to understand.
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XGoldenboyX
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I feel that Racing games Graphics this generation are such a mixed Bag! Drive Club still is my Favorite looking Racer detail and rendering wise !
it_wasn't_me
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One simple word - Outsourcing. T10 is doing that for every Forza. Dunno, for tracks, but for cars Turn10 outsource car modelling.
it_wasn't_me
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Talking about gospels, i'm pretty sure you have experience with that too. Worshiping MisterXmedia or MisterC surelly left some side effects on you.
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thelastword
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Well, for the amount of dynamic features GT5/6 had, plus the graphics it showed on a hards as balls to develop PS3 with a worse NV GPU, limited by available RAM. It pushed 1280*1080 and 1440*1080 respectively, when all Forza did was 720p. I'm sure if PD only did 720p with worse lighting, no dynamic TOD, no weather with dynamic shadows, worse modelling etc on PS3, it would be a locked 60fps and they would have spare room for even more non-dynamic features....So it's just the case where PD has always pushed the envelope, in every generation.
At 30FPS, it's a no brainer that DC is untouched, a shame it could not get some IQ upgrades to boost AF and AA out the wazoo, but at 60fps, GTS is where it's at in terms of rendering et al.....
LuvOfThaGame
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Only that I learned never to trust what people say on the internet, regardless of what "proof" they have. It would serve you well to do the same. I see a very similar pattern here. Now we'll both move on because it's detailing the topic.
Spukc
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This is how gt sports looks ingame during Actual gameplay. Ugly and bland as hell.Yeah really it shits on Forza face, i mean look at those high quality models.
Thanks for uncovering the truth.
Tomeru
Member
The only advantage Forza has over GTS, going from the pictures in this thread, is resolution. Lighting, shaders, materials and such - look better in GTS. Model accuracy is also better in GTS (compare the exhaust grill from the LaFerrari pics, or the Nissan gtrs' head/taillights). Sure, Forza has the overall picture fidelity with model and cockpit fully rendered in chase cam, but resolution and picture fidelity isn't everything.
In movement both look good, but GTS has the edge as it looks much more realistic and believable.
In movement both look good, but GTS has the edge as it looks much more realistic and believable.
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LuvOfThaGame
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This has been proven time and time again to not be true.
it_wasn't_me
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Putting me in the same basket with you trying to mitigate your problems and mentality from misterxmedia.com forum? Nice try, Xbone owner, nice try. Your scars from there still remains. Cheers!
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Bogroll
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cheers mate and what peoples views of which car has the best details ? I'm on phone so I can't give my opinionHere you go mate, PS4 Pro 4K CB vs 1080p PC
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I wish I could show what's been stripped from previous Gran Turismo games on Ps4 but we can't can we, but there's been stripping back from previous gen of GT. You make out the GT programmers are landing humans on Mars. Turn 10 priorities are different, it's called cutting your cloth to suit and Polyphony haven't cut theirs enough cause Gts runs a mess at times with all the pop in, aggressive lods, glichty shadows, dropped frames and jaggy graphics. I appreciated what they are trying to do but the the Ps4/Pro are just not powerful enough sunshine.
Dontero
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And ?
If it was that easy why Polyphony can't ship game with 700+ cars and it needs 5 years to release online only game with barely any content ?
And don't get me started with "quality" because both Forza7 and GTS models are pretty much evenly matched in gameplay and in photomode and so on there is almost no difference also it is not like GT wasn't caught modeling out of literally small car models.
TBiddy
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FM7 is much better looking than GTS in almost all areas, as is evident in the numerous pictures posted in this thread. The only place where GTS wins is in lighting. But that is also an important part, so I guess
thelastword
can sleep happily tonight.
thelastword
can sleep happily tonight.
Gingen
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FM7 is much better looking than GTS in almost all areas, as is evident in the numerous pictures posted in this thread. The only place where GTS wins is in lighting. But that is also an important part, so I guess
cherry picking pictures from a couple of GT haters...
this is how GTS looks ingame
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Forza's model has much more polygons and much higher quality self shadowing. Fully loaded cockpit and better grill texture. Also the wheels are much higher quality in Forza.
Yeah says the guy who used scape photo to compare a car model and compared the regular Xbox One with the Pro lol.
Models, shadows, reflections, weather, draw distance, textures, texture filtering, track details, some materials are better and some shaders looks better in Forza. Lighting, some materials and some shaders looks better in GTS. Some models are more accurate in Forza, Some are more accurate in GTS. But in game Forza has always the better car model. That La Ferrari is clearly better in Forza, how can a pixelated round grill be better than a higher quality real like textured grill? So its not just the resolution.
LostDonkey
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This is how GTS looks "Ingame"
Posts a replay.
Fucking lol
And to be quite Frank Forza looks much better than that when I'm playing it on my PC it's not even close.
Posts a replay.
Fucking lol
And to be quite Frank Forza looks much better than that when I'm playing it on my PC it's not even close.
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thelastword
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That draw distance, that lighting, the sound. All superb.....
Shirrako has the best vids on youtube, even with youtube compression...Wish he could post his vids on gamersyde...
It's all I post of GTS anymore, very nice vid........but I raise you this...
and this
and this
Those low lod cars et al....Tee he he.....Nothing is even close.....
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