The reason to get pCARS in the first place is as a racing simulator.
Can't believe people expect a crowfunded game to compete with a first party title when it comes down to graphics.
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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The reason to get pCARS in the first place is as a racing simulator.
Can't believe people expect a crowfunded game to compete with a first party title when it comes down to graphics.
Actual particles vs fake 2d rain in FH2.
FH2's wet roads just don't look right. Maybe it's a shader related thing, I find DC easily topping it.
This was the part that stood out to me in the videos too. That's almost a generational difference to me.
FH2's world looks completely dead in all of the comparisons.
psn
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Maybe make this comparison again but without the helmet cam. It's hard to compare the interior like that. Great idea though
lolosgolos
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This gif was intentionally trying to make Forza look bad. Check the link below and see how Ppl just want to hate on Horizon 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKQBNOCIG7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5OJ1dwQS4
Are you joking? The .gif is made from this video, which was posted before in the thread.
A video that shows more locales, more time-of-day and weather diversity and more footage of FH2 than the mediocre IGN link you just posted.
lolosgolos
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FH2's wet roads just don't look right. Maybe it's a shader related thing, I find DC easily topping it.
This gif was intentionally trying to make Forza look bad. Check the links below and see how Ppl just want to hate on Horizon 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKQBNOCIG7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5OJ1dwQS4
That seems largely the same or is it just me as it's still not as good as DC or PCars.
Yh it really shows in the first comparison the video.
Looool
lolosgolos
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The gif clearly has a difference in camera positioning. Not saying Fora looks better but the intentions are suspect when the camera is zoomed out and that's not even the default in Forza
lolosgolos
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The gif clearly has a difference in camera positioning. Not saying Fora looks better but the intentions are suspect when the camera is zoomed out and that's not even the default in Forza
Really? How does the camera position affect how the roads are represented in wetness?? or the environment assests?
Apparently FH2's sky doesn't look right either. It looks like a compressed, blurry mess. Driveclub has better lighting than FH2, which is expected because I think it's the first racer to emphasize graphics and effects. I don't think the gif is the most representative look at FH2 IMO but I don't think that changes the outcome.FH2's wet roads just don't look right. Maybe it's a shader related thing, I find DC easily topping it.
Nicktendo86
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Jesus those rain videos really do look like a generation difference between FH2 & DC.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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No, Forza Horizon 2 also uses particles, both for representing rain (it's obvious in the night shots, the rain particles change with the speed and direction of your vehicle, just like they do in Driveclub) and for modelling the lighting conditions in the atmosphere.
Windom Earle
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The overdone exaggerated (call it comical) look has always been a thing in Forza. I would love to see them let it go at some point, but I don't see it happen this gen. Just think of that atomic sun in F5. Turn 10 and Xbox owners love their "pop".
Don't really need gifs if we have a whole comparison video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9hUgxN--Tk&feature=youtu.be
I agree that the trees are shit, but the hardcore AC players probably don't care too much.
Then you'd be missing out on one of the most purest racers in years. Shame really.
Windom Earle
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This narrative that DC is not fun to play is there to stay, right?
And yes, Forza Horizon suffers greatly from being open world. The pop-in, the ugly NPC cars, etc. Overall the game looks very last gen.
Maybe make this comparison again but without the helmet cam. It's hard to compare the interior like that. Great idea though
Updated with no helmet.
http://youtu.be/1kBTp80y9Iw
REMEMBER CITADEL
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You're being ridiculous, as usual.
Windom Earle
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REMEMBER CITADEL
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Yes, sure.
Windom Earle
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Do you own any other platforms besides your Xbone? Good IQ alone does not make a next gen game.
Because there are people comparing PCars to first party titles.
Can't believe you didn't notice that.
The only people who have anything bad to say about DC are people who haven't played it...almost to the person, if you've played it, you are impressed by the driving experience as much as, and quite possibly more, than the graphics. It makes my Gran Turismo hours seem bland as hell.
Visually, you can't make a case for anything else, it is just flat out pretty.
Cheeseman Battitude
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It had wet conditions. Not sure if that's what you mean.
Yeah, overall looks pretty bland. Especially after plugging time into Driveclub.
Isn't there a 360 version of FH2 though? Surely most hold the XB1 version back some.
I never said its no fun to play its an ok racer with fantastic graphics, the reviews scores and majority opinion reflect this.
and I agree there is not as next genish lighting and effects as there are in driveclub, which does make the differences look more subtle but its still a great looking game that has an overall visual package that still looks significantly better then anything last gen.
as demonstrated here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oJOEbsXiLk
It took a few hours for the game to grow on me tbh, but now I'm addicted to it. I haven't played a racer that was this demanding since Midnight Club II, and that challenge is what really makes it shine, imo.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Yes, I do, although I don't see what that has to do with anything. All the visual aspects determine how good a game looks, including the IQ. There are not many last gen games that look as good as the first Horizon, let alone FH2 on Xbox One. That's just trolling, and you know it.
SolidSnakex
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Majority of opinion? If anyting the gamer opinion of DRIVECLUB is extremely positive. And really always has been. Eurogamer basically even noticed the disconnect between their opinion of DC and fan opinions of it when it ranked 15 on their readers to 50 list, only trailing Mario Kart 8 as far as racers go
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-01-02-readers-top-50-games-of-2014
Horizon looks good by ps360 standards. Driveclub has created a entirely new standard.
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Driveclub after the weather update looks significantly better than FH2, there's no question about that. Neither of them look like last gen games, however.
chromatic9
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Yes.I agree.
People have to know that PCARS was set to be a low budget Free to play PC racing game to release maybe 2012ish and bring some visuals above PC sims like Netkar Rfactor LFS. Then it turned into PS3/360/PC game as the builds were looking too good for a quick F2P game, it could be a boxed product. It then went ahead to be a very good looking game on PC as more funding came in, way beyond what the PS3/360 was capable of.
PCARS enjoyed some time as the best looking driving game in certain situations while being only half way done. Now it s a PS4/XB1/PC game. It's also a mixed bag of old and new and oddly still much looking unfinished and being high res doesn't mean its good or looks right sometimes. Some buildings in pcars do look good like the Spa pit area however.
Driveclub is the first driving game I've seen with environments done to a high level of craft and awareness. Weather is brilliantly done, the best yet. If I was to make a driving game this would be the minimum level I would aim for as I think outside the cars is very important. I dream of the Nurburging, Spa done to such a level.
Man thats depressing - gonna be hard to go back to other driving games (that have weather) after DC. Massive difference between FH2 and DC but I still cant believe FH2 is that bad, surely the Stormy Island DLC rectifies that?
I guess Forward+ cant come quickly enough for the Forza engine - FH always held an interest for me since I fell in love with TDU - wish PS4 had something like that (dont say The Crew
)ps3ud0 8)
Fortuneelsewhere
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Nothing ridiculous about his statement...
dragonyeuw
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Holy crap that DC gif above is insane....
No shit.
If you look at the rest of the internet, metacritic, IGN etc etc, that while people do like the game there is a large presence that do say it does have its problems and even the reviews mention this.
the car physics and handing in drive club are not bad, but there nothing great either.
Man thats depressing - gonna be hard to go back to other driving games (that have weather) after DC. Massive difference between FH2 and DC but I still cant believe FH2 is that bad, surely the Stormy Island DLC rectifies that?
I guess Forward+ cant come quickly enough for the Forza engine - FH always held an interest for me since I fell in love with TDU - wish PS4 had something like that (dont say The Crew
ps3ud0 8)
Horizon 2 uses Forward+, or did you mean mainline forza?
These are not things you can objectively measure. Jeff Gerstmann fucking despised the handling, yet many feel that it's the tightest playing racer that has come out in a long time.
The car physics and handling model are both deliberate decisions made by the development staff, it's not like they missed some arbitrary mark that they've set for themselves, it's how they think a racer should play.
Some people disagree and think Ridge Racer is how racers should play, some people enjoy Mario Kart more.
Summer Haze
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They do? I never noticed this when I played it. I played mostly hood-cam and I'm pretty sure the raindrops on the hood didn't move.
Lol, what? The majority opinion of who, exactly? People who haven't played DC? Because if the majority opinion of people who have played it here on NeoGAF is anything to go by, then DC is more than an "ok" racer.
Your posts concerning DC sound really bitter, btw.
Storm Island did boost weather effects a bit.
http://xboxclips.com/Mr+Noobcraft/510c6b1c-6a2c-4c34-9c33-0084cdd0912f
http://xboxclips.com/Mr+Noobcraft/510c6b1c-6a2c-4c34-9c33-0084cdd0912f
They don't move while on the vehicle, but while driving the rain does move in relation to the vehicle, each rain drop has a space in the game so to speak.
Summer Haze
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Oh, "the rest of the internet". Those guys. A few reviews and IGN are the "majority opinion". Got it.
Let's completely ignore the countless DC threads in which thousands of people who actually own and play the game have been singing its praises for two months now. It's all about "the rest of the internet".
Ridiculous. You couldn't make your bitter bias towards DC any more obvious.
Ok, got ya. That makes sense.
I just meant the whole series, I didnt know FH2 used Forward+, thought that would mean a better chance at use newer/better lighting techniques. I presume it must do over F5...
ps3ud0 8)
There are also a lot of people on those DC threads, myself included, who really do not like the handling model DC uses. But let's completely ignore the countless DC impressions in which thousands of people who actually own and play the game have been disappointed with the handling for two months now. It's all about "the rest of the internet".
I can do it too. It doesn't make you or me correct.
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