He has custom firmware on his PS3. Uses it and gamesaves to alter GT6 game graphics options. Like config files on a PC game.
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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He has custom firmware on his PS3. Uses it and gamesaves to alter GT6 game graphics options. Like config files on a PC game.
How about making cars behave more like cars, or is that too radical..
son of a Sven
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Handling. AI. Crash simulation. Environments are good enough.
Malcolm9
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How many current gen racers run at 60fps (pretty much) with dynamic weather & lighting?
Just one, Project Cars.
The game looks great, and apart from the motion blur needing dialling down on the PS4, it's a very clean looking game.
You always hear people state they prefer frame rate over resolution, yet they're are the first people to bitch if the game isn't eye popping candy visually.
No they aren't. Not even close. And it's the graphics that form a huge bulk of the realism and immersion. You can improve all of the things you mentioned, and if the graphics or environments are lacking, the illusion will falter, especially when video games can never truly replicate perfect physics and the like, mostly because of feedback and experience differences between sitting in an actual car, versus just holding a pad or wheel.
DirgeExtinction
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Thank you.
bananafactory
Banned
I agree completely. I never would have thought, but I am indeed regularly taken out of the game when I see those static crowds at the start line, or some poorly detailed environment as I come slowly around a bend.
We're at the point where yeah, the physics are good. The tracks are good. The cars are good.
It's time to focus on environment. Make it more dynamic, more believable, better weather, better lighting. For a simulation racer that has no gimmicks, immersion is absolutely key. And something we've seen this gen and moving forward is that as graphics come closer to photorealism - the weak points stick out even more. In action games I find that the incredible textures and lighting make poor animation jump out like a sore thumb. In shooters it's the lack of destructible levels. In racers - it's the environment that is often the weak link.
DirgeExtinction
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I wouldn't care. 30fps or 60fps, doesn't matter to me.
It does a lot for me. If it's a sim, 60 FPS all the way. If it's an arcade experience like Driveclub, I'm okay with 30 FPS, as long that there's some great motion blur on it.
1.21Gigawatts
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Saw this Driveclub environments montage posted on Twitter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXEPjrj-3gA
Driveclub has amazing looking environments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXEPjrj-3gA
Driveclub has amazing looking environments.
Stillmatic
Member
Wow, that's pretty neat. If I had seen this earlier I would've included it in this 'Driveclub pack' I've just uploaded.
I've put this folder together pretty much to showcase and share why this game is so good:
Download is 1.3GB | Has a 15 min video, audio file for engine sounds, 458 of the best photomode screens I came across and some quick gameplay screens thrown in too.
https://mega.co.nz/#!69ET3DbI!HXRsDJv0gK2QeAS1JKshucc52sYqQYOqMqR7Jjw28cc
It's all GAF user content except for the audio clip. I uploaded the video to YouTube but compression, so I just uploaded everything to Mega even though the video is still compressed (PS Share footage).
NullPointer
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Classy stuff. Thanks for sharing this.
Awesome. Was the number of photos intentional?
Stillmatic
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dragonfart28
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In stills, I would agree that Driveclub looks nice, but you're not a true racing sim fan unless you're getting a solid frame rate somewhere between 50 to 60fps - or higher, but at least 50fps if we're going to be forgiving.
30fps is completely unacceptable unless you're entirely in it for the eye candy.
30fps is completely unacceptable unless you're entirely in it for the eye candy.
Psycho_Mantis
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So, some Forza 6 and Forza 5 bullshots for comparison:
Photomode:
The lighting looks exactly the same honestly.
Thats quite disappointing unless the lighting is now dynamic? I heard there's going to be night and weather now.
SolidSnakex
Member
Well, DRIVECLUB isn't a racing sim.
Cause I went and took my own shot and replaced the old FM5 bullshot? We don't know whether FM6 is gonna be downgraded or not, Forza games have a precedent of not quite reaching the PR materials.
1.21Gigawatts
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I don't think the FM6 shots are enough to draw any conclusions about the lighting or anything...
drugstore_cowboy
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There's nothing wrong with the lighting in Forza 5.
GT looks most convincing in overcast or darker conditions as did PGR and most other racers I can think of.
GT looks most convincing in overcast or darker conditions as did PGR and most other racers I can think of.
Except shadows that map on cars incorrectly as they always have, car shadows don't map on other cars and plenty of other strange behaviors.
drugstore_cowboy
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Oh yeah I get that, I thought you meant looking at the scene as a whole.
Under the sun imo the game looks good but yeah I know what you mean with the shadows. It's not really something I'd focus on while playing though.
Under the sun imo the game looks good but yeah I know what you mean with the shadows. It's not really something I'd focus on while playing though.
I was kinda expecting them to make major leaps akin to FM2>3>4, but the shots prove otherwise, not that FM5 looks bad but a lot can be improved, but perhaps a simple architecture means they've maxed out the system early on and recent improvements like MS giving back 7th core to devs resulted in more AI on track rather than graphical upgrades. Well, guess we'll see come release.
drugstore_cowboy
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Yeah I would be slightly let down if the game looked exactly the same as Forza 5 under the same conditions, the improvements from previous game to game was apparent to varying degrees (along with some scaling back to accommodate the changes) still F5 was a dramatic improvement and if they feel they can't push the bar much higher given 24 players then so be it.
Maybe some improvements in materials will give the game a fresh look.
Guess we'll see in due time, still I'm very excited to see Prague, Nurburgring and Yas Marina at night.
A uniform shading method is needed for cars/track to avoid things like this:
you keep on bringing up this pic
Just snapped this one for you mate.
in reality, the only way you can make this happen is if you go waaaay out of the track, and try to cut back and go down the big slope from the sand. (OUT of the track, see where the road is)
but sure, keep on telling us thats how forza looks, and how you NEED TO AVOID it happening.
In fact, why dont you "snap" for me another occasion where this happens?
I am so bored of reading your recycled trolling comments. you should invest your time in other things.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Horizon 2 looked surprising good at night (didn't rate Horizon 1 compared to other games with night racing) I'm excited and curious to see how F6 fares. A cheap pallette swap like F4's alternative time of day wouldn't do anything for me.
Expected to see rain or night for F6, both in one game was a surprise. If we are talking about a wet track scenario, a night race scenario then that's cool, I'd hope for a dynamic weather and lighting solution as a selling point for F7. There's no doubt this is shaping up as the Forza game most people wanted.
Expected to see rain or night for F6, both in one game was a surprise. If we are talking about a wet track scenario, a night race scenario then that's cool, I'd hope for a dynamic weather and lighting solution as a selling point for F7. There's no doubt this is shaping up as the Forza game most people wanted.
What a heap of shit.
If you have a dynamic lighting model this doesn't happen, easy as that, this doesn't happen in Horizon, guess why - because the lighting is the same for cars and the environment. Dynamic lighting simply means the scene is consistent and won't have any oddities like this. You might not care about this but plenty of people do, it's time for T10 to move away from decade old lighting tricks or they risk being left behind when every other sim racer has dynamic lighting. It seems like they are though and I applaud if they indeed have dynamic ToD in Forza 6.
really? I guess I was dreaming when I saw pretty much the entire gaming community jerking off to prebaked light maps of AC:Unity, but somehow in forza its a deadly crime.
and dont avoid my question!
"snap for me" another occasion that this happens. this that you say that "you have to avoid"
Dictator93
Member
On average, AC Unity has real time shadows, but baked GI. WHich is different from baked shadows completely for basically the entire game world.
What a load of bullshit, I have been racing simulators for over 10 years but never had the budget to buy a PC that would always guarantee that amount of FPS, yet I am one of the faster drivers in time trials held in a simulator on this forum.
And you're telling me I'm not a true racing sim fan because I don't have enough frames rendered on my screen?
LordOcidax
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I was asking the same in the other thread. I think that they are going to use prebacket lighting for diferent times of day.
For you to judge a full game which, presumably, is running on a new engine, from 3 small pictures which give hardly any indication of the game in question, you must really have a motive against that franchise.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Pre baked lighting on next gen......come on T10.
What motive can I have if I'm the biggest fan of said franchise?
SolidSnakex
Member
Hopefully GT can properly join the discussion in at E3
ok, I will call you on this! gamertag please?
Baked lighting is not uncommon this gen at all.
SimTourist
If you was the biggest fan, you'd know that the 'prebaked' lighting is accurate of the lighting when the track was modelled on and usually raced on. For example, the glare you get coming over the hill at Bathurst.
I've also seen that same effect slated on here for being ridiculous bloom, but if you check out some dash cams of racing on that track, exact same effect.
I think we've long established that FM5's Bathurst doesn't look anything like the real thing.
Proof? Id be more inclined to believe the pro driver who did the promotion material for when they announced the track, considering it was laser scanned...
Psycho_Mantis
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In racing games it shouldn't be. We need more 24 hr day and night cycles with weather.
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