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NFL 2011 Week 8 |OT| Tim Tebow

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eznark

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789shadow said:
Perhaps the quality of play really did take a hit from the lockout.

I don't think so. To me there aren't many teams that are currently playing well below their talent level. If anything, the shortened off-season hurt the marginal/good teams as it was difficult to shore up depth and add talent at the fringes but in terms of prep? I don't think so.
 

Wellington

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Fixed2BeBroken said:
vick and eli I would put in top 10....def not top 3 tho....

now if you are only talking about this sunday and this sunday only....then yea...
The way Eli has been playing it's hard to argue he isn't in that top tier, the ELIte tier if you will. :p

The dude has pretty much put the team on his back. The team has run for a pitiful 599 yards across the 7 games, at a 3.2 YPC average and we're still a top ten scoring offense.

eznark said:
The problem this year isn't really the selection, it's the league. Yesterday there was only one single game where both teams had winning records. What the fuck? Looking at the schedule, there was zero good options for a prime time game. Just flex the Packers to Sunday night, the Steelers to Monday night and fuck the rest of the league. We'd be better off with nation wide blackouts of those games.

You'll enjoy next week (Stolen from BBI):

1. TB-NO (II)
2. NYJ-BUF
3. CIN-TEN (not sexy, but 2 teams that will have a say)
4. NYG-NE
5. GB-SD
6. BAL-PIT (II)
7. CHI-PHI

AND..... LSU/Alabama on Saturday, I know you're a Big 12 schill, but that's good football.
 

squicken

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yankeehater said:
No OTAs plus the new rules limiting practice have really hurt the quality of play so far this year. I just hope that next year having a full off season will really help boost things.

It's the practice rules and the NFL's dumb stance on roster sizes. There are always injuries, but it would be nice if teams could take 2nd and 3rd string guys and have them practice in full pads a few times a week.
 

eznark

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cuevas said:
The sportscenters says tebow had the worst game as a qb over the past 3 years, looool. Worse than painter even, lol.

I stopped watching after a quarter or so. How many turnovers did he have? He was certainly ineffective, but I think he only had two turnovers right? 250 yards, a touchdown a pick and a fumble? Christ, Beck was worse than that yesterday against a less talented team.

Oh, Sportscenter? So...QBR or some nonsense?


Welli: Ya, that is a great week of football. It will be spoiled by an annoying Packers loss though.
 

jmdajr

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cuevas said:
The sportscenters says tebow had the worst game as a qb over the past 3 years, looool. Worse than painter even, lol.

worse than David Carr?

edit: Oh 3 years you say.. I'd still like to see the comparison.
 
eznark said:
I stopped watching after a quarter or so. How many turnovers did he have? He was certainly ineffective, but I think he only had two turnovers right? 250 yards, a touchdown a pick and a fumble? Christ, Beck was worse than that yesterday against a less talented team.

Oh, Sportscenter? So...QBR or some nonsense?
Yeah it was total qbr. He only had two turnovers.
 
squicken said:
It's the practice rules and the NFL's dumb stance on roster sizes. There are always injuries, but it would be nice if teams could take 2nd and 3rd string guys and have them practice in full pads a few times a week.

I heard Reid say last night that the Eagles havent practiced once with pads since the season started. I think that is why tackling is so bad this year. The only way to work on that is to put on the pads and hit someone.
 

Narag

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yankeehater said:
I heard Reid say last night that the Eagles havent practiced once with pads since the season started. I think that is why tackling is so bad this year. The only way to work on that is to put on the pads and hit someone.

Didn't they limit them to some ridiculously small level under the new CBA? Maybe he's saving them!
 

eznark

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cuevas said:
Yeah it was total qbr. He only had two turnovers.

Absurd. I've been as hard on Tebow as anyone but he wasn't even the worst quarterback yesterday, much less going back three years.

QBR is a fucking broken joke and needs to go the way of every other fuck-tarded moronic ESPN gimmick and hopefully the way of ESPN itself.
 

bionic77

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yankeehater said:
What a great game. It was nice to see the Eagles put together a complete game on both sides of the ball.
I wonder if Reid will be able to control himself and continue running the ball?

I feel like the beatdown is going to embolden him to go for the record for pass attempts in a game next week.

789shadow said:
Perhaps the quality of play really did take a hit from the lockout.
There are not a lot of lockouts so it is impossible for us to say as fans, but the NFL (and every sports league) does have periodic down years. See Bucs and Ravens Superbowls. We might see some utter shit for this year and next year, but some young teams will rebuild and we will back to the way it used to be after that.
 

bob_arctor

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Gang Green must win @ Bills.
Goes without saying but the rest of the season is a must-win. I'm not happy the Redskins rolled over yesterday but maybe such an easy victory will let some of dat complacency creep in a bit for Buffalo (wishful thinking).
 

bionic77

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Double Steelers post time.

I was obviously also right that Hines was holding back our offense. Dude needs to take a seat and only come in in certain situations. I love ya Hines and I hope you make it to Canton, but unless it is a running play or a blowout or a game against the NFC West I don't want you on the field anymore.
 

eznark

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LevelNth said:
In what world are you living in that this is a bad game?

A world where both teams are trash. I.E. the real world.

The two teams combine for a point differential of -40. We're only 7 games into the year. GARBAGI-O. Combined, they have scored 27 touchdowns. Equal or fewer than the Packers, Lions and Saints. 5 of their combined 8 wins have come against their atrociously bad conference. Neither of these teams is in any way relevant. This is the equivalent of a 49ers-Seahawks game last year. The AFC West is terrrrrrrrrrrrible.

(That said, the Packers are totally losing to the Chargers next Sunday)
 
eznark said:
Absurd. I've been as hard on Tebow as anyone but he wasn't even the worst quarterback yesterday, much less going back three years.

QBR is a fucking broken joke and needs to go the way of every other fuck-tarded moronic ESPN gimmick and hopefully the way of ESPN itself.
When you take into account reads and decisions it could be right. If he's making the worst possible throw every attempt or running when he shouldnt it's possible.
 

WanderingWind

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bob_arctor said:
Goes without saying but the rest of the season is a must-win. I'm not happy the Redskins rolled over yesterday but maybe such an easy victory will let some of dat complacency creep in a bit for Buffalo (wishful thinking).

You have to be doing fantastically great, or be on a massive winning streak to become complacent. The Bills fit neither, currently.

But after they pick off Sanchez 3 times and play this game down to the wire (like they always do) they'll cement themselves as the team to beat this year in the AFC East.

Then they'll probably self-destruct in the last part of the season, ending 9-7 and missing the playoffs.
 

eznark

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cuevas said:
When you take into account reads and decisions it could be right. If he's making the worst possible throw every attempt or running when he shouldnt it's possible.

1. Ok, maybe? But probably not because you'd have to start hammering guys for making bad reads but having it work out.

2. QBR doesn't take into account decision making, it only looks at statistical outcomes.

3. If Decker drags his toe a second longer, all of a sudden Tebow's nonsense QBR is probably the best in history
 

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bob_arctor

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WanderingWind said:
You have to be doing fantastically great, or be on a massive winning streak to become complacent. The Bills fit neither, currently.

But after they pick off Sanchez 3 times and play this game down to the wire (like they always do) they'll cement themselves as the team to beat this year in the AFC East.

Then they'll probably self-destruct in the last part of the season, ending 9-7 and missing the playoffs.
Hopefully we continue to get our run game going so Sanchez isn't asked to take it all on himself--in which case I can see your 3 pick scenario happening.

I do like the matchup against you guys generally though considering our pass D (our run D is leaky somewhat but not too worried). But can we put up points??
 

WanderingWind

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bob_arctor said:
Hopefully we continue to get our run game going so Sanchez isn't asked to take it all on himself--in which case I can see your 3 pick scenario happening.

I do like the matchup against you guys generally though considering our pass D (our run D is leaky somewhat but not too worried). But can we put up points??

Even during the Losman/Pennington years the Jets and Bills have always been great games. Heart attack worthy, sure.

It'll be fun to watch.
 

LevelNth

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eznark said:
A world where both teams are trash. I.E. the real world.

The two teams combine for a point differential of -40. We're only 7 games into the year. GARBAGI-O. Combined, they have scored 27 touchdowns. Equal or fewer than the Packers, Lions and Saints. 5 of their combined 8 wins have come against their atrociously bad conference. Neither of these teams is in any way relevant. This is the equivalent of a 49ers-Seahawks game last year. The AFC West is terrrrrrrrrrrrible.

(That said, the Packers are totally losing to the Chargers next Sunday)
That is some horrific analysis there just so you know...

Divisional matchup, Chiefs are HOT right now, and Chargers are coming off a bad loss amidst yet another potential season of disappointment, huge motivator. Oh, and this game also decides who's first in the division midway through the season, aka. playoff spot.

It's sad you feel only 10-12 teams are worthy of a SNF/MNF game. I thought you liked football.
 

cajunator

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How shitty the division is doesn't matter in divisional games.
Both teams are not sucking for Luck. They will try to win the game.
It will be entertaining.
San Diego has already proven this year to be laughably horrible, and that gives the Chiefs more than enough opportunity to steal a game from them. San Diego still has a lot of talent and can fight back. It has the makings of a fun game.
 

eznark

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LevelNth said:
That is some horrific analysis there just so you know...

Divisional matchup, Chiefs are HOT right now, and Chargers are coming off a bad loss amidst yet another potential season of disappointment, huge motivator. Oh, and this game also decides who's first in the division midway through the season, aka. playoff spot.

It's sad you feel only 10-12 teams are worthy of a SNF/MNF game. I thought you liked football.

The game certainly might be good (christ I watched all the afternoon games yesterday...punishment!), but it's meaningless. The 20-17 game was a lot of fun. I doubt Rivers plays quite so atrociously this time around though.

A "someone has to win this division" game...so fascinating.

I love how I looked at the terribleness of the teams based on output and achievement and you call it garbage analysis. Then you tell me one team is "hot" and point to motivation and disappointment.

:jnc

At least we have the Rivers face to look forward to.

cajun, I never said it wouldn't be an entertaining game. Last night was super entertaining. The Titans-Colts game was entertaining as hell too. Every game can be awesome on a micro level.
 

hiryu

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If the Browns don't go all offense in the next two drafts I'm going to be pissed. Our offense is putrid and being down 4 starters makes it probably the worse offense in the NFL.
 

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bionic77 said:
Double Steelers post time.

I was obviously also right that Hines was holding back our offense. Dude needs to take a seat and only come in in certain situations. I love ya Hines and I hope you make it to Canton, but unless it is a running play or a blowout or a game against the NFC West I don't want you on the field anymore.
I don't know man... it isn't like Hines isn't able to be effective anymore. I agree that he's the past and Brown/Sanders are the future...but to say that Hines actually hurts the team seems a little crazy to me.

Are you thinking that him being on the field makes Ben check him more than the new rookies or something?

I thought last season was going to be Hines' last, so I wouldn't be shocked if this ended up being the one to go out on. Maybe he'll pull a "Bus" and Ben will get him the ring he wanted last season and almost got him.

Agree that I'd rather have Brown/Sanders get more reps, but I don't think Hines is bringing anyone down.
 

cajunator

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hiryu said:
If the Browns don't go all offense in the next two drafts I'm going to be pissed. Our offense is putrid and being down 4 starters makes it probably the worse offense in the NFL.
How are ex-Saints Scott Fujita and Usama Young doing?
 

Bowser

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Still stewing from yesterday's loss. Mare should have made that chip shot FG, but the loss isn't all on him. We lost the game by going 3-and-out on three consecutive drives in the 2nd half. A defense that's been hardest hit at LB lost two more during the game, and it was obvious that they were gassed. When Gamble had Harvin dead-to-rights on 3rd-and-7 about 6 yards short of the first down on the game-winning drive deep in Vikes territory and whiffed on the tackle, I knew right then and there they would drive down the field. Newton's two fumbles hurt as well, as the Vikes scored two TDs on short fields (16 and 39 yds IIRC; the fumble before half that allowed the Vikes to tie it up hurt the most). And I'm still furious at the phantom holding call on Smith when Cam had run for a first down at our 8-yd line.

Still, Mare should have hit the damn FG. Wasted an otherwise great game (besides the fumbles) from Newton.
 

WanderingWind

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cajunator said:
I'm really impressed with Newton though. I definitely respect him more than Coward and Fatman.

From what I've seen, Cam has all the tools for a potential HoF career. He's a one man offense in the way that Peyton is (using different skill sets, obviously). If he proves that he can consistently perform the way he is doing this year, and Rivera decides to pick up some defensive players not made of glass, Carolina could be scary next year.
 

bionic77

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RubxQub said:
I don't know man... it isn't like Hines isn't able to be effective anymore. I agree that he's the past and Brown/Sanders are the future...but to say that Hines actually hurts the team seems a little crazy to me.

Are you thinking that him being on the field makes Ben check him more than the new rookies or something?

I thought last season was going to be Hines' last, so I wouldn't be shocked if this ended up being the one to go out on. Maybe he'll pull a "Bus" and Ben will get him the ring he wanted last season and almost got him.

Agree that I'd rather have Brown/Sanders get more reps, but I don't think Hines is bringing anyone down.
I know that Hines is holding the passing game because I watch the games. He can't get open anymore, he doesn't have the best hands anymore, and he can't break tackles. The only thing he can still do well is block well and find a hole in the defense and stand there when Ben is scrambling.

I hate saying it because Hines is one of my favorite players of all time, but he is done and has been done for awhile.
 
cajunator said:
I'm really impressed with Newton though. I definitely respect him more than Coward and Fatman.

Yep, young Icon's come a long way since Auburn. Things are definitely looking up as he's only going to get better. His support's only going to get better(cut bum-ass wide receivers please) and the D can only get healthier(as I typed that, Davis probably just tore something else on his perpetually broken body).
 

Nightz

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I like how some people are defending the Chiefs-Chargers game being on MNF. Even I'm having a hard time getting pumped up for it, and I'm a Charger fan.
And the Chargers have shown nothing at all to get excited about this season.
But yeah, this is another trap game that the Norvals tend to lose. Couple that with all the injuries and I wouldn't be surprised if KC wins.

But I do agree with ez, Packers will lose to the Chargers next week. That'll be their Super Bowl, cuz they sure as heck won't make it to the big game this year.
 

cajunator

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Grover Cleveland said:
Yep, young Icon's come a long way since Auburn. Things are definitely looking up as he's only going to get better. His support's only going to get better(cut bum-ass wide receivers please) and the D can only get healthier(as I typed that, Davis probably just tore something else on his perpetually broken body).
You guys are still a divisional rival, so I hate your guts, but I hate you less than the other teams in our division. Probably has something to do with Jake being your QB for a while. He's still celebrated wherE I live and everybody was pretty devastated when he was cut from the Browns.
 

eznark

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Grover Cleveland said:
Yep, young Icon's come a long way since Auburn. Things are definitely looking up as he's only going to get better. His support's only going to get better(cut bum-ass wide receivers please) and the D can only get healthier(as I typed that, Davis probably just tore something else on his perpetually broken body).

Steve Smith is 32 years old.

That's 40% of Cam's total passing yards.
 

bionic77

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Nightz said:
I like how some people are defending the Chiefs-Chargers game being on MNF. Even I'm having a hard time getting pumped up for it, and I'm a Charger fan.
And the Chargers have shown nothing at all to get excited about this season.
But yeah, this is another trap game that the Norvals tend to lose. Couple that with all the injuries and I wouldn't be surprised if KC wins.

But I do agree with ez, Packers will lose to the Chargers next week. That'll be their Super Bowl, cuz they sure as heck won't make it to the big game this year.
The Chargers seem pretty shitty to me. I don't see the Packers losing that game. Rivers has been pretty average this season and unless he turns it around quick or the Chargers learn how to play defense I don't see it happening.
 

jmdajr

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looks like another Jacksonville type game for Houston.

Top Defense, Low Offense. (according to NFL ranks)

results for Browns so far...

1 Sep 11 CIN 27 @ CLE 17

2 Sep 18 CLE 27 @ IND 19

3 Sep 25 MIA 16 @ CLE 17

4 Oct 02 TEN 31 @ CLE 13

6 Oct 16 CLE 17 @ OAK 24

7 Oct 23 SEA 3 @ CLE 6

8 Oct 30 CLE 10 @ SF 20
 
Halfway through the season, and your rookie of the year has gotta be Cam. I am in awe!

Of course, he does have one year pro experience already.
 

eznark

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bionic77 said:
The Chargers seem pretty shitty to me. I don't see the Packers losing that game. Rivers has been pretty average this season and unless he turns it around quick or the Chargers learn how to play defense I don't see it happening.

Thing is, the game could not possibly mean less to Green Bay and they have a MNF game against the Vikings following it. I just cannot see them having any real sense of urgency going into the game. They'll sleep walk through the first half, give up three scores to Gates and fall short in a comeback attempt in the 4th quarter when they realize they are supposed to be playing a football game.
 
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