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[cajunator]

Skip is such a clueless dicknut.

 

[Bowser]

An unnamed Lions defender shared this assessment of Tebow with Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports: “Can you believe 15? Come on – that’s embarrassing. I mean, it’s a joke. We knew all week that if we brought any kind of defensive pressure, he couldn’t do anything. In the second half it got boring out there. We were like, ‘Come on – that’s your quarterback? Seriously?’”

Lions defender on Tebow: “That’s your quarterback? Seriously?”

Ouch.

 

[eznark]

Was he releasing the Kraken?

:jnc

 

[meadowrag]

Lions need a reality check
Wouldn't be dissing other QBs if I were them.

 

[WanderingWind]

Slow down partner. he has played exactly 8 games and teams are still learning his tendencies. Has he exceeded all expectations? Yes.

I said he has the tools. Obviously, he needs to develop them as his career progresses, but it's been a long time since we've seen such a raw talent in a rookie QB. If he and Dalton continue to progress and Luck lives up to a fraction of they hype, we're gong to have a great new set of QB play in the league. Of course, we have to look at the Flacco/Ryan thing to know how that can end up.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

I actually feel sort of bad for Tebow.

 

[Syracuse022]

Best case scenario: Dre comes back and our offense returns to last years offensive numbers. drool....

Do you really see that happening? Right now, Schaub and Co. are the biggest source of the other team's offense. They gift-wrapped every point the Jags scored yesterday. I don't need them to get back to some previous level of output (which clearly didn't work from a "taking the next step" into the playoffs standpoint). I need them to stop hamstringing our defense with all of the stupid turnovers and 3 and outs.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Oh Lions,they have one good season in 123 years and act like they're the best thing ever.

 

[MechDX]

Do you really see that happening? Right now, Schaub and Co. are the biggest source of the other team's offense. They gift-wrapped every point the Jags scored yesterday. I don't need them to get back to some previous level of output (which clearly didn't work from a "taking the next step" into the playoffs standpoint). I need them to stop hamstringing our defense with all of the stupid turnovers and 3 and outs.

Im starting to believe that Dre is to our offense what Peyton is to the Colts to a lesser degree. He commands a double team which doesnt allow opposing defenses to stack 8 in the box and also pulls safties to him that usually help cover our tight ends.

So yes it has a high chance of happening.

 

[meadowrag]

Oh Lions,they have one good season in 123 years and act like they're the best thing ever.

To be fair they did just beat the Broncos yesterday.
Honestly, how many teams could pull that off?

 

[Kusagari]

I blame the Lions doughiness on Schwartz.

 

[Talamius]

No way, wasn't the kick 31 yards or thereabouts?
Imagine if they kept the offense on the field and then they didn't convert. Then the story would be "Panthers piss away easy chip shot for overtime" and you've got some prime "fire the headcoach" material

Sucks that he missed, but it was the right decision.

The situation was 4th and 2 at the MIN 13, not 4th and goal. 29 seconds to go and if I'm not completely mistaken Carolina still had a TO left. It was a makable scenario and I would have looked at it as "Coach believes in the offense", even if they don't convert.

Maybe my Kasay bias is showing.

 

[TheFatOne]

Good read on the Pats struggles so far.

The Patriots have won and will win a lot of games, and that is a credit to coach Bill Belichick. But against teams with a certain formula, they can’t compete. Not this year. Not with this team.

Belichick the general manager has let down Belichick the coach.

The Patriots simply don’t have enough talent to beat the elite teams in this league. Lucky for the Patriots, there are only a few of those - and most don’t reside in the AFC.


There’s only one other team in the AFC, the Texans, that has a chance of executing offensively like that against the Patriots. The Chargers, Jets, and Ravens all have issues that will undo them. In the NFC, the Packers, Saints, Eagles, and Lions have the right formula to take down the Patriots.

And New England will beat up on all the other teams. It has Tom Brady, and playing soft against the pass but tighter in the red zone will be good enough. But against the top teams? The Patriots just won’t be able to get it done.

Look at what they put on the field defensively. Belichick is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. That’s because the talent is lacking. Right now, the Patriots have three defensive players considered good to elite: tackle Vince Wilfork, linebacker Jerod Mayo (who has been average in the new scheme), and safety Patrick Chung (who has been marginalized by his weak supporting cast in the secondary).

Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Ty Law, Asante Samuel, and Rodney Harrison aren’t around anymore. The Patriots have four defensive starters who were drafted in the first two rounds: Wilfork, Mayo, Chung, and Devin McCourty. The rest of the players are castoffs and aren’t effective, especially in the secondary.

Kyle Arrington would be a nickel back in most places. With Ras-I Dowling on injured reserve - after injury-plagued high school and college careers - Arrington is the best the Patriots have. McCourty has lost his confidence, but at least he has hope and some success. Antwaun Molden, Phillip Adams, Josh Barrett, Sergio Brown, and James Ihedigbo?

The Patriots have no good young pass rushers, which hit home hard when Jermaine Cunningham, a second-round pick last year, was a healthy scratch. You can only get so much out of Andre Carter, Shaun Ellis, Mark Anderson, and Albert Haynesworth.

The Patriots would prefer to rush four players, but they can’t get home or the teams are simply releasing the ball too quickly. Because the Patriots aren’t good enough in the back, they’re playing mostly zone. Zone only works if you get pressure. The Patriots tried blitzing the Steelers, but they don’t have any good pass rushers at linebacker.

Belichick is about out of moves, and he has only himself to blame for the lack of success in the draft. Where’s the hope for the future with this defense?


Belichick the coach is brilliant. But Belichick the general manager has left himself short on talent against the best teams. The Patriots will win a lot more games. But they’re not going to win the important ones. Not until the talent gets better.

That won’t happen this year.

He sums up my feelings about the Pats in the last paragraph.

Edit: Blah I forgot you have to register for boston.com took the interesting bits

 

[Spectral Glider]

Spectral are you with me that Hines is holding the offense back?

I seem to be experiencing some resistance from other Steelers fans.

Jury is still out for me. Yes, having the young speedy guys on the field presented coverage problems...and also opened huge holes for Heath. But at the same time, the Pats pass defense blows chunks. If he doesn't play next week or his role is reduced and the offense puts up good numbers on the Rats D, I'll be swayed permanently. And then I think what you'll see from there on out is Hines' role reducing but coming in from time to time to spell guys and on some run plays. In any event, I hope he moves to coaching when he retires.

 

[Bowser]

The situation was 4th and 2 at the MIN 13, not 4th and goal. 29 seconds to go and if I'm not completely mistaken Carolina still had a TO left. It was a makable scenario and I would have looked at it as "Coach believes in the offense", even if they don't convert.

Maybe my Kasay bias is showing.

100 times out of 100 times you kick the FG. It was the right decision. You're at home, you take a FG and go to OT.

 

[eznark]

Lions need a reality check
Wouldn't be dissing other QBs if I were them.

They get a reality check every time they play a decent team.

 

[cajunator]

I said he has the tools. Obviously, he needs to develop them as his career progresses, but it's been a long time since we've seen such a raw talent in a rookie QB. If he and Dalton continue to progress and Luck lives up to a fraction of they hype, we're gong to have a great new set of QB play in the league. Of course, we have to look at the Flacco/Ryan thing to know how that can end up.

I would also add in Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert. they all seem to have potential. but it is still very early and they havent had a year of game film yet. Still, teams should be pretty thrilled overall with the new QB class. None of them are clearly fuck awful. Tebow doesn't count.

 

[beast786]

Oh Lions,they have one good season in 123 years and act like they're the best thing ever.

And its always the unofficial no name source.

Anyone who would have watched they game would have said even worse.

And stop hating the lions. Its not like we have been caught cheating.

They get a reality check every time they play a decent team.

And GB will gets it when it will play its first decent team.

 

[WanderingWind]

I would also add in Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert. they all seem to have potential. but it is still very early and they havent had a year of game film yet. Still, teams should be pretty thrilled overall with the new QB class. None of them are clearly fuck awful. Tebow doesn't count.

I didn't include them simply because I haven't seen them play at all. But yeah, fans seem pretty excited about their play.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Good read on the Pats struggles so far.


He sums up my feelings about the Pats in the last paragraph.

Edit: Blah I forgot you have to register for boston.com took the interesting bits

If he doesnt use the 2 1sts this year on defense,Kraft should rough him up.

 

[Onemic]

Now I'm in a serious dilemma, I have Brady and Newton on my team still, and I want to trade one of them for Ryan Matthews. Which one would you guys trade? I was banking on trading Newton, but with how consistent hes been playing I don't know if Brady will be better than him by the end of the season. (Newton has 207fp now compared to Bradys 176fp)

 

[Kusagari]

I would also add in Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert. they all seem to have potential. but it is still very early and they havent had a year of game film yet. Still, teams should be pretty thrilled overall with the new QB class. None of them are clearly fuck awful. Tebow doesn't count.

Why is Gabbert in this post?

 

[eznark]

And GB will gets it when it will play its first decent team.

Thankfully they probably won't have to play one this year.

 

[TheFatOne]

If he doesnt use the 2 1sts this year on defense,Kraft should rough him up.

I wonder when they should start considering getting a new head coach. You can only ride past success for so long. So GAF when is it time to fire the HC? It feels like Belichick has one more year before they get close to that point.

 

[WanderingWind]

I wonder when they should start considering getting a new head coach. You can only ride past success for so long. So GAF when is it time to fire the HC? It feels like Belichick has one more year before they get close to that point.

Lol. Joke post, right? Belichick will never be fired. He may resign, but never fired.

 

[eznark]

Lol. Joke post, right? Belichick will never be fired. He may resign, but never fired.

Kraft will just stop whitewashing his cheating. The minute Kraft stops using his substantial pull with the league and no longer covers the Cheat's cheating is the moment Belichick is kicked out of the league.

 

[captive]

Do you really see that happening? Right now, Schaub and Co. are the biggest source of the other team's offense. They gift-wrapped every point the Jags scored yesterday. I don't need them to get back to some previous level of output (which clearly didn't work from a "taking the next step" into the playoffs standpoint). I need them to stop hamstringing our defense with all of the stupid turnovers and 3 and outs.

oh come on now. You act like the offense was putrid. I think you forget that the Jags defense is pretty good. Turnovers are going to happen especially against good defenses, Tate had the ball pretty well protected but the defender ripped it from him. Schaub was trying to make a play and got nailed, it happens. Its how you overcome them that separates good teams and bad teams. They still don't turn the ball over that much, for the first time they are +6 or more in the turnover differential. I believe that was the first running back fumble lost all year too.


I'll take 7 or 8 more wins just like that.

 

[cajunator]

Why is Gabbert in this post?

He's not horrible.

 

[eznark]

I'm loving this new twist to the Texans cycle, where they have a minor resurgence mid-year against terrible teams to rekindle their depressed fans hopes.

Extra cruel!

 

[captive]

I'm loving this new twist to the Texans cycle, where they have a minor resurgence mid-year against terrible teams to rekindle their depressed fans hopes.

Extra cruel!

please son. The difference is this year we have a real defense, even with injuries to Mario, Manning they are 3rd ranked.

 

[eznark]

please son. The difference is this year we have a real defense, even with injuries to Mario, Manning they are 3rd ranked.

The only impressive game they've played defensively is against Pittsburgh.

 

[jmdajr]

I actually feel sort of bad for Tebow.

what is he getting paid?

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

All in on Joe again.

Love that guy!

 

[verbum]

Kraft will just stop whitewashing his cheating. The minute Kraft stops using his substantial pull with the league and no longer covers the Cheat's cheating is the moment Belichick is kicked out of the league.

I saw Aaron's Allstate commercial for the first time yesterday. It looked painful to him. I did appreciate how it played up his lack of recognition to non football fans.
Think he'll go the Brady route? Long flowing tresses, marrying a woman just as famous, etc?
Or the Ben route ? "Come here, baby. Ever seen Big Ben?"

 

[WanderingWind]

what is he getting paid?

Exactly. I was supporting Tebow until I watched him play yesterday. There is no excuse for that level of play from anybody.

 

[Bowser]

He's not horrible.

I don't know, I haven't seen anything that makes me think he's more than just a guy. Obviously, it's early in his career and he can turn things around, but he's only completing 45.7% of his passes with 5.24 YPA and he hasn't topped 100 yds passing in the past two games. In today's NFL, that's inexcusable. You or I could jump in and throw for 100 yards.

 

[jmdajr]

The only impressive game they've played defensively is against Pittsburgh.

They played just fine defensively against the Ravens and Saints. You can only do so much when the offense stalls..

the AFC is all up in the air. No real dominant team. Texans could be a lot better or worse than people think they are but I don't care really. Just give me a good home playoff game.

Fans here are cautiously optimistic. Nobody is celebrating anything.

 

[eznark]

I saw Aaron's Allstate commercial for the first time yesterday. It looked painful to him. I did appreciate how it played up his lack of recognition to non football fans.
Think he'll go the Brady route? Long flowing tresses, marrying a woman just as famous, etc?
Or the Ben route ? "Come here, baby. Ever seen Big Ben?"

I think he will go the Manning route. Tons of commercials but an otherwise private life.

Or he could turn into a massive twat. I don't care as long as he keeps being the greatest football on the planet.

 

[WanderingWind]

I think he will go the Manning route. Tons of commercials but an otherwise private life.

Or he could turn into a massive twat. I don't care as long as he keeps being the greatest football on the planet.

Rogers commercial is embarrassing. Much like his predescessor's. I sense a jean-heavy future for Aaron

 

[Sanjuro]

I wonder when they should start considering getting a new head coach. You can only ride past success for so long. So GAF when is it time to fire the HC? It feels like Belichick has one more year before they get close to that point.

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I'm pretty sure I'm the only sane Patriots fan who posts here at this point.

 

[cajunator]

I don't know, I haven't seen anything that makes me think he's more than just a guy. Obviously, it's early in his career and he can turn things around, but he's only completing 45.7% of his passes with 5.24 YPA and he hasn't topped 100 yds passing in the past two games. In today's NFL, that's inexcusable. You or I could jump in and throw for 100 yards.

Who does he really have to throw to?
We played against him and I still couldn't tell you one of his receivers names. I only know MJD is a fucking beast.

 

[eznark]

Rogers commercial is embarrassing. Much like his predescessor's. I sense a jean-heavy future for Aaron

I'd be cool with that. Just about all of Favre's commercials came after the Packers kicked his ass out of town.

When Rodgers is washed up and shitting on other teams chances he can do all the retarded commercials he wants.

 

[Bread]

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I'm pretty sure I'm the only sane Patriots fan who posts here at this point.

fatone overreacts at every loss, it's not surprising to read that anymore.

 

[Sanjuro]

Favre's film cameo was still badass. Just sayin.

 

[Bowser]

Who does he really have to throw to?
We played against him and I still couldn't tell you one of his receivers names. I only know MJD is a fucking beast.

By that token, who does Ponder have to throw to? Harvin is a game-breaking threat but not your traditional #1 WR and Shiancoe is a serviceable TE but not better than Marcedes Lewis IMO. Case in point, the Vikes leading receiver yesterday was AP with 76 yards.

 

[Sanjuro]

fatone overreacts at every loss, it's not surprising to read that anymore.

The problem is we don't lose that much.

Also, your avatar disqualifies yourself!

 

[cajunator]

By that token, who does Ponder have to throw to? Harvin is a game-breaking threat but not your traditional #1 WR and Shiancoe is a serviceable TE but not better than Marcedes Lewis IMO. Case in point, the Vikes leading receiver yesterday was AP with 76 yards.

I'll put it this way. I only watched one game of Ponder and one game of Gabbert (against us) and both at least looked like they belonged under center of an NFL team.

 

[LevelNth]

Rogers commercial is embarrassing. Much like his predescessor's. I sense a jean-heavy future for Aaron

Discount double-check is awesome, you bite your tongue.

 

[bionic77]

Jury is still out for me. Yes, having the young speedy guys on the field presented coverage problems...and also opened huge holes for Heath. But at the same time, the Pats pass defense blows chunks. If he doesn't play next week or his role is reduced and the offense puts up good numbers on the Rats D, I'll be swayed permanently. And then I think what you'll see from there on out is Hines' role reducing but coming in from time to time to spell guys and on some run plays. In any event, I hope he moves to coaching when he retires.

Yeah I love the guy and don't want him to leave and I won't even mind using him in special situations, I just feel his days as a starting wide receiver and long gone.

Because while the Pats D sucks ass, considering they did not give up a big play and held Wallace in check, I think it was huge having Sanders and Brown there to create havoc in the middle and keep moving the chains. I really think we lose that game if Hines is out there. You don't need to account for him anymore on offense other than in run blocking. He is just too damn slow. He has nothing to be ashamed of. He is old now and maximized his talent to a degree that not many players ever have. I mean he was meant to be a special teams player and he may end up going to the HoF as a wide receiver.

I love how this team keeps finding ways to win even though everyone is old and getting hurt. I am kind of terrified of what Rice might do against our defense. We might need Flacco to be especially elite if Woodley does not play. Hopefully Harrison and Woodley both come back and make some beautiful music in the backfield.

 

[LevelNth]

I love how I looked at the terribleness of the teams based on output and achievement and you call it garbage analysis. Then you tell me one team is "hot" and point to motivation and disappointment.

Because you're referencing stats that don't reflect how the teams are playing now, and that's what concerns this game. How much are those stats affected by the Chiefs first three games? Significantly, thus, they are not relevant to evaluating this game on its own.

This isn't some barometer game that will tell us just how awesome or in-the-hunt these teams are, but for where both are in the season right now, it has major potential to be good.

Oh, and writing off a potential division winner because they are in 'a division that sucks' is the exact karma that brings about a Seahawks-Saints upset ala last year.