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NFL Off-Season |OT2| My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Draft
- Thread starter Buckethead
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So remains one more date: April 27, 2012. This is the second day of the NFL draft – when Rounds 2 and 3 will be held. While the first round was always too long a shot for the player who never should have been here, the second and third are not.
Ha, I didn't even realize it was the guy Seattle took. Misread the article thinking it was published today
Futurevoid
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.eznark said:
Not to start a shit storm of Lions vs Steelers fans but I had a funny conversation about stats last night at a buddies house during the draft. He argued that if he was building a team today he would take Stafford over Big Ben based on him passing for 5k yards last season.
So a proven 2 time world championship QB who'll play even if his head fell off against a one year 5k yard passer who's managed 1 healthy season in 3 years. I just had to stop arguing after awhile...
7pm.Kastrioti said:
TheLegendary
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7 Beast-ern time.
Futurevoid
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Make it more interesting: the "what if" scenario that progressed was knowing what we know now about each QB (with the benefit of hindsight), throw out the Super Bowls and injuries and if both were coming into the league without any wear and tear TODAY....eznark said:
(we're cheating because we know what kind of players they are but that's the scenario)
yankeehater
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If I was building a team I would take stafford also. He has already shown that at his best he is a better QB then Ben, he doesnt have the baggage either. The only concern about him is the injuries, but that wasnt much of a problem last year, plus Ben has also gotten hurt and missed time, plus Ben is so much older. Ben has had the better career but I think Staford has more upside at this point.
BannedEpisode
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Buckethead
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What's that picture of Hendricks doing in there?
sf2fanatic
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Its time to get either DL or OL....Got killed on 3rd downs when we need to stop a team...Especially against the Jags last year
SlackAdjuster
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Yeah, because Julio Jones wouldve raised this team from mediocrity. I mean, just look what he did for Atlanta. One and done to....one and done. Good shit.
I don't know. What I will say is if we are simply looking at skill set, I would take Stafford all else being equal.
Man, seems like a giant asshole.
If you take away the rings what does Ben have going for him?
League doesn't work that way anymore. Horrible defenses in playoffs last year. As I said earlier, Rams D being terrible was in large part due to always being on the field.
People said I was nuts for over-reacting to shittiness last pre-season, but they showed what they really were. That said, while any hope of getting impact in passing game is gone, there is still enough to grab 1970s ground and pound types
Buckethead
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Futurevoid
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Going at it from the perspective that we know what both bring to the table.Slo said:
Pros: Strong arm and has proven he can make every throw an NFL QB is asked to make. Good deep ball. Strong ability to extend plays and make "something out of nothing". You could call that good pocket presence/scrambling ability. Can make plays with his legs when asked to. Durable as hell and has the will and tenacity to play through injuries for the sake of his team.
Cons: Holds onto the ball for too long. Needs to be more decisive in his reads. The durability comes with a price as he sometimes he plays to the detriment of his team. Character issues are a major concern knowing what we know about Ben today.
Some of that could be born out of the situation he finds himself in. It would be interesting to posit what Ben would be if he had a quality offensive line in front of him. I don't know that much would change as propensity to hold onto the ball is just the type of player he is.
I would ask if the Vikings were in a position to draft Ben in 2012 (knowing what you know) - you would be against it?
Fair enough.eznark said:
Julio had a great rookie year and will only improve. He wasn't the reason for the Falcons' failure in the playoffs (if anything, Julio helped get us there in the first place), and I don't know why people look to him first when there were other people
MATT RYAN
Ben: Good size, big arm, good leadership, hard to bring down, fat ass, character issues.
Matt: Good size, big arm, fat ass, durability issues.
Guess I'd give Ben the edge if they were both 22.
Futurevoid
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:jncSlo said:
Sorry Future, I honestly do not remember a single thing about Stafford at Georgia. I was pretty high on the rapist when he came out though, so if we compare that I guess I would have taken Ben?
His accomplishments aren't things that you can really predict or scout. He was carried to a couple Super Bowls but he has also been downright amazing in playoff games as well.
His accomplishments aren't things that you can really predict or scout. He was carried to a couple Super Bowls but he has also been downright amazing in playoff games as well.
Futurevoid
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Eh, it was just an interesting conversation we had last night. I was personally on the Big Ben bandwagon during the thing but I can see why some would fall in love with Stafford.eznark said:
The friend in question is a big Eagles fan and we had some other heated debates about whether Shady Mccoy was the best RB in the league or not.
Found this on twitter. Just take a look
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52641
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52641
he hasn't been that great in the playoffs tbh.
Futurevoid
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Excellent!
Osi's head must have exploded by now.
EDIT: Numbers on Kiwi's new deal:
The Shaun Rogers signing was, as expected for vet minimum of 925k. One year deal.
Osi's head must have exploded by now.
EDIT: Numbers on Kiwi's new deal:
The Shaun Rogers signing was, as expected for vet minimum of 925k. One year deal.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Not this crap again. CJ had under 23% of the entire team's catches. Anybody who keeps using this argument is insane. Stafford puts the ball where it needs to go and has been doing it without a decent running game.
He's a great QB. I wouldn't put him in the top 3 but he's in that next level of guys.
he 'only' has 23% of the catch, but he also makes other receivers much more open. truly elite WRs can lift the level of their entire offense massively, just look at how many mediocre QBs moss made look great (not that johnson is as good as moss was, but the principle still applies).
Pretty happy about the Browns draft so far. Richardson should be a stud and it will be so nice now that defenses can't stack the box because we have an actually QB with an arm. I was so sick of McCoy throwing the 6 yard crossing route on third and eleven and his constant roll out to the right side when he felt pressure. Anybody who watches the Browns knows that McCoy sucks and lacks accuracy, velocity, and anticipation.
Really like the talent still available at 37 and would like Hill or Randle, Martin or Glenn, or even Upshaw or Brown.
Really like the talent still available at 37 and would like Hill or Randle, Martin or Glenn, or even Upshaw or Brown.
Acid House
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Weeden can throw the ball, he looks to be a better pure passer than either Luck or RG3. It's a head scratcher because of his age but the guy is a special talent notwithstanding.
Look how fast the ball comes out, reminds me of Favre a bit in the air, the D doesn't have a chance to turn their heads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkLIET5uvA
Look how fast the ball comes out, reminds me of Favre a bit in the air, the D doesn't have a chance to turn their heads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkLIET5uvA
storybook77
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I like that you always say such stupid things. It's adorable.
This is also stupid, unless you don't think that teams covering CJ with deep safeties and brackets affects the ability of other guys to get open.
cuevas. PhD.
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Fox that stopped being funny after 1 person did it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I love how he's one of only 3 guys to ever throw for over 5000 yards and people think he's mediocre. That's ludicrous. Most defenses he was playing against knew Detroit's running game was hot garbage and so they played against the pass. He still managed to get the ball where it needed to be. Detroit has CJ and that helps a lot but Stafford still has to get the ball there, not throw picks, etc. He's accurate.
Look--I'm a Detroit fan but I'm being objective here. If there's one thing I've been open about on this board it is the areas in which Detroit sucks. Even ignoring the stats, Stafford has fantastic talent and, again, is one of the top QBs in the league.
PhoenixDark
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Megatron clearly makes Stafford look better than he is, but he's still a damn good QB who could be on the verge of being an elite QB. In terms of Big Ben v Stafford, I don't see how anyone would not take Stafford over him today. He's younger, has a better arm, and would be potent behind that o line.
I actually think his "red flags" are waaaay overrated. Yes he did drop out of high school yes he's had problems. Dude also went back, got his GED and did the college thing. He knows he's being given a huge opportunity and i doubt this kid screws it up.
If anything I'm more worried about him not being able to play every down like Ingram or Couples could. He's fast and will get sacks but Frank Gore could probably steam roll him
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The fact that opposing defenses know that Detroit can't run at all cancels out this advantage.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If I knew Big Ben was going to get Detroit a Super Bowl I'd take Roethlisberger in a heartbeat.
He JUST vandalized a car a month ago.
Maybe he does get it together and that's neat in a vacuum. However this draft is garbage with very few standouts. From 15-50 there is little difference. Being a jack-ass thug with a history of atrocious decision making is going to be a negative no matter how precious you pretend to be in the weeks leading up to the draft.
storybook77
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The only reason I even made the joke was because they took Weeden. Maybe he works out for them, but at 28, he won't have much time. Love the Richardson pick however, though whether they actually needed to trade up, we may never know.
What's the point? Yes we've had shit management who've decided to blow it up every 2-3 years. The only person on that list who got a raw deal is Couch. McCoy is a third round pick who just isn't very good. Dedication only takes you so far.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Stafford isn't elite. The only people who say he is are lions fans
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He's not elite at this point. I don't think anybody here is arguing that, are they?