PC elitism is fueled by cognitive dissonance resulting from having to spend so much money and master much more technical expertise just to play games ported from a console.
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BlackGhost
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Can't decide with ring is uglier
Coldnoodle
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That bird looks high as fuck.
Bolt Vanderhuge
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Both are about as attractive as Sugg's gumline. Still, ugly rings are better than no rings.
BaltimoreLarry
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Do I tip the guys delivering mattresses?
It's......beautiful
Ravens SB ring:
It's......beautiful
I am obligated to say that
yankeehater
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Of course.
Dutch Gronk
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Please make a thread
BlackGhost
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Lol I wonder how many people would be offended by the thread
I love that any Browns news in this thread has that adorable jetskiing dog gif. Another fantastic addition by the one true king Wes.
All the heretic BG has given us is yelling "TRENT TRUCK!". That alone has probably saved him from being beheaded for bending a knee to Jason Campbell...who now may become #3 on the depth chart.
All the heretic BG has given us is yelling "TRENT TRUCK!". That alone has probably saved him from being beheaded for bending a knee to Jason Campbell...who now may become #3 on the depth chart.
"Master much more technical expertise" hasn't been true for over a decade.
mastershake
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Their SB victory should be vacated for that ring... disgusting
Gamers still insist that building your own is the only way to go.
Futurevoid
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Building your own doesn't require "mastering of technical expertise". Most of the stuff is plug and play anymore.
It's not the only way to go, it's the cheapest way to go. Plus many people genuinely enjoy the process.
I know what building a PC entails, past and present. It's still more than buying a box and plugging it in.
mastershake
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I built my first ever rig a few months ago with little more than a 15 minute youtube video. It's ridiculously easy to build a computer.
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also, as chuckddddddddd stated, it is a really fun and rewarding experience
DeaconKnowledge
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Hell no.
It's pretty much lego for adults.
DeaconKnowledge
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Join with me this generation bros. Let's all build a low noise HTPC for our entertainment centers.
Can I just buy an extra long hdmi cable and act like my pc is in my entertainment center? If so, I'm in.
Futurevoid
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And? Console gamer ignorance is fueled by the view that building a PC is too hard and expensive and they have to sacrifice their comfy couch experience in the process.
It's about as nonsensical a view as what you posted about PC gamers.
We're not already doing that?
I said PC elitists, not PC gamers.
Right, but as Chuck stated people build more because it's funner and cheaper that way, prefab is a perfectly viable option.
I think PC elitism is fueled by more things than that. Mods are extremly important (Elder Scrolls/Fallout 3 +) are 10 times more enjoyable than on the PC due to mods; plus some genres (parodox 4x games; good mobas/rts) are just non existant on the consoles.
And this is from a guy who's gamed more on the 3Ds the last year than anything else.
Mackenzie 92
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Still less complicated than putting together those stupid dressers or endtables you get at Walmart.
Futurevoid
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Ah, gotcha.
Though, I'd argue all PC gamers are elitist to some degree. We tend take pride in what we build.
Haha, true, but at least software isn't a concern.
And that's exactly my point. You don't want to believe that investment and accomplishment was unnecessary.Ah, gotcha.
Though, I'd argue all PC gamers are elitist to some degree. We tend take pride in what we build.
Walmart? Are you a poor? You should step your game up with some quality IKEA furniture.
The_Darkest_Red
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Semi-related, I was talking to my PC elitist friend earlier and he gave me this pretty cool quote:
Even though I don't do a lot of PC gaming I can actually see where he's coming from.
BlackGhost
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Well I never! I'm like a pre fraud Scandal haslam to browns Gaf, Wes is like Randy lerner!
I'm sorry Wes please don't destroy me, remember Trent truck! That was me!
Your friend is describing cognitive dissonance to a T.
To be clear, I'm not hating on PC gaming or PC gamers. I just think that spending an hour fiddling with a game, program, or device driver is a legitimate entry in the minus column rather than proof of my superiority in the plus column(I never want to go back to the days of config.sys/autoexec.bat). Each platform has their pros and cons. Buy according to how they suit your needs.
Futurevoid
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To a degree, yeah. Though I don't limit my own personal gaming views to only one platform. I've owned every console and handheld at one time or another since I started gaming on an Atari.
I'm about as platform agnostic as it gets.
If I'm playing Madden or Ni No Kuni, I want to play it on a console on my couch. Other stuff I don't mind playing on my PC. Built my own PC and love that thing. But my kids are the ones using it now
I'm pretty sure HDMI outs are standard on every vid card now.
Dutch Gronk
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Would you guys say you're better at throwing a football or at catching a football?
yankeehater
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Are you asking if we would rather pitch or catch?
The_Darkest_Red
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Yeah, I think he realizes that, he was just kind of joking around. His primary reasons for sticking with PC are his love for Steam, his belief that mouse and keyboard is the best method of input for games by a large margin, and his taste in games (he likes a lot of strategy genres that are really only well represented on PC and he doesn't care for anything first or third-person unless it's a WRPG).
At the same time, I can kind of understand the serious part of the comment as well, though. With hobbies there are times when you have to do some nitty-gritty work that isn't fun in and of itself, but if the end result comes out in a way that makes you super happy then it can make the whole process feel somewhat worthwhile. And plus, I can play Fallout 3 on my 360 without much hassle but if I want to get into maximizing performance and playing with mods I have to go PC.
I don't think going through those processes makes you "superior" per se, but I do think it can be satisfying to certain people to some degree.
Futurevoid
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Sure but I think console gamers tend to have a bit of an uneducated view of PC gaming more often than not. That may be due to the fact that at one time they tried PC gaming during the config.sys/autoexec.bat days and it left them wanting for their plug and go consoles. Or they simply aren't aware of the advances PC building, driver updates and the general download and go direction the platform has enjoyed for a good long time now.
At times, I just throw my hands up in frustration when I try to explain PC gaming to my more console centric friends.
"I don't want to spend $2k on a gaming PC!"
"I don't want to have to sit at my computer table to play a game!"
"I'm not an engineer and I don't want to become one to build a PC!"
The cost of entry isn't that out of line with the cost of entry for a console ($400-600). I'll be damned if I can find a video card without an HDMI out and plugging the blue cable into the blue slot on a motherboard is something my 7 year old can do.
ScottSullivan
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When i built a new PC like 5 years ago, It was easy as heck. I think the best way to go about it is to buy the case and motherboard and processer all good to go, and buy the other components that are easy to install cheap like the HDD, Memory, and graphics card that is so simple it literally just snaps right in to the motherboard
DeaconKnowledge
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Sure but I think console gamers tend to have a bit of an uneducated view of PC gaming more often than not. That may be due to the fact that at one time they tried PC gaming during the config.sys/autoexec.bat days and it left them wanting for their plug and go consoles. Or they simply aren't aware of the advances PC building, driver updates and the general download and go direction the platform has enjoyed for a good long time now.
At times, I just throw my hands up in frustration when I try to explain PC gaming to my more console centric friends.
"I don't want to spend $2k on a gaming PC!"
"I don't want to have to sit at my computer table to play a game!"
"I'm not an engineer and I don't want to become one to build a PC!"
The cost of entry isn't that out of line with the cost of entry for a console ($400-600). I'll be damned if I can find a video card without an HDMI out and plugging the blue cable into the blue slot on a motherboard is something my 7 year old can do.
The people who bitch about PC gaming the loudest have never had to go through the headaches. They just think "PC gaming, haha i'm no rocket scientist" and go back to playing Halo.
PC gamers don't help this stigma at all by being douchy as fuck about and crying about the superiority of the medium.
Futurevoid
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Yep, I don't disagree at all there.
B For Bendetta
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This can be our hazing. SANP and ScottSullivan and any other newbies have to go participate in the thread for at least 3 pages without getting banned
Heh, as somebody who has worked inside PCs for approaching two decades, the expression "blood, sweat, and tears" is entirely literal.
Futurevoid
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Absolutely but I'm talking entry level more than anything else. I spent over 2k on my PC and even more than that on two video card upgrades since. That may be complete overkill for someone looking to dip their toe and doesn't know enough to even have those considerations, right?
I think the upgrade cycle is genuinely what frightens people about PC gaming more than even the "wall" they have to get over in initially building.
This doesn't seem to be as strong as it used to be, though, especially after the Intel Core 2.
Man I'm not a poor. I'm not getting up and connecting that thing and then mouse and keyboarding from my couch. My poor might as well play the game for me as well. Which reminds me, sometimes I tell my poor to play a game and then constantly make him die in the game on purpose just to see the look on his face. I do this when he is starting to enjoy a game i make him play.
I order you to fall in that hole poor servant!
Goro Majima
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It's definitely overkill if you're just shooting for 1920x1080 and 30-60 FPS.
A decent entry level PC should be able to get that level of performance pretty easily (oh and it also does everything else ever that a PC can do).
PC games are also way, way cheaper so if people are willing to get over that initial barrier of entry for a machine that literally does everything, a person can spend far less on games and on gaming in general.
I'm also pretty defensive of PC gaming because I'm not seeing a port of Europa Universalis IV being announced for consoles with a mouse accessory.
Now things might be a bit unbalanced price wise for PC gaming this year depending on what PS4 games look like so if someone was looking to choose between PC gaming and the PS4, I'd say wait just to see what happens.
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