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NFL Offseason Thread |OT3| The Long Wait
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Not to defend Vick, but Horton's blitzes even got Brady a few times last year. I don't know how he does it, but he gets a LB coming free right up the middle once or twice a game. At least he did in AZ. We'll see in CLE.
Futurevoid
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Maybe that's true for the other hundreds of defensive plays he put on the field but that's not some disguised, all world beater designed blitz. It's well timed and I'll give you that but gimme a break. Any QB worth their ass gets up from center and calls out that protection change when Rhodes creeps up the line. Vick is completely and hopelessly locked into DeSean Jackson on that inside slant. He doesn't give a fuck about anything else happening on the field. Once the Cards take that away, he's lost.
He doesn't really disguise them though. He just extra bodies a gap. The reason it gets guys like Brady and Rodgers (who have quick releases and a good repoire with their receivers) is that it's too good of an opportunity at a gash to pass up. When you stack the gap with three guys the QB knows that there will be hot routes with nothing across the middle to tackle them. It's a gamble. If you go back and look at a lot of those Horton defenses it's generally not about deception, it's about daring.
yankeehater
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I think part of the problem with the Eagles is Reid wouldnt let either Mcnabb or Vick call audibles. They would all them in from the sideline which is why there would be so many delay of game penalties throughout the season. Vick clearly should be scanning the line before the play though.
Albert Breer column on Eagles
http://t.co/HAWXRFDYK8
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
1) Matt Barkley made his share of rookie mistakes. But when he had where he was going right, he showed fantastic accuracy. That's big b/c...
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
2) An overlooked key to QB in Kelly's no-huddle is consistency. Gotta avoid 3-and-outs, or the D will get killed. Chain-moving is big.
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
3) So Barkley's strong suit, his accuracy/consistency/head, is big. Still, you could see a sizable gap in arm strength b/w he and Vick. ...
Not defending him at all. His fumbles and sacks speak to his lack of awareness. Andy Dalton has a similar problem
I just really like Ray Horton and am glad he is out of the NFCW and Bowles is in.
Good point. It helps that Washington is so good at timing his blitz. They did give up big plays, but overall they were still very good
http://t.co/HAWXRFDYK8
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
1) Matt Barkley made his share of rookie mistakes. But when he had where he was going right, he showed fantastic accuracy. That's big b/c...
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
2) An overlooked key to QB in Kelly's no-huddle is consistency. Gotta avoid 3-and-outs, or the D will get killed. Chain-moving is big.
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
3) So Barkley's strong suit, his accuracy/consistency/head, is big. Still, you could see a sizable gap in arm strength b/w he and Vick. ...
Not defending him at all. His fumbles and sacks speak to his lack of awareness. Andy Dalton has a similar problem
I just really like Ray Horton and am glad he is out of the NFCW and Bowles is in.
Good point. It helps that Washington is so good at timing his blitz. They did give up big plays, but overall they were still very good
It looked to me like they also had some triggers for adjusting to those types of blitzes depending on personnel packages which reduce the ability for the QB to blitz out of, again sort of playing to the hubris of the offense.
An odd thing about them is that they got gashed by two of the most big-played starved teams in the league: STL and MIA. Probably a case where Horton would have been better served sitting back and making them make plays. FMT and I make fun of Peterson not being a shutdown CB, but it's true. They left him on an island constantly and paid for it often
This was beautiful.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-says-more-running-back-competition-is-great/
Funny because he's kind of an odd man out. An undrafted rookie is more likely to take his place. I see Starks or Green on the outs. They'll likely keep one on roster just to have a veteran, maybe.
Funny because he's kind of an odd man out. An undrafted rookie is more likely to take his place. I see Starks or Green on the outs. They'll likely keep one on roster just to have a veteran, maybe.
This has always been Ben's problem. He has always been able to get the ball out quick for the sure 4 yard play but he always wants to gamble on the big bomb. And he can't help himself on the blitz sometimes either. But then again some of his gambles have paid off huge as well.
Seems to be a great album, gotta check it out. Is "The Get Lucky" single indicative of the album style or is it allover the place?
It's all over the place. There's maybe one and a half other songs that sound like Get Lucky.
Firs of all yes Vick isn't good against the blitz. Recognition and then reaction is still something he is struggling with. I look at guys like Warner and how they actually wished for the blitz so they could pick the D apart. Vick is only effective against the blitz if he beats the initial guy and then takes off around the corner. Which he did plenty of in 2010 until I think it was drilled into his head that for his own protection stay in the pocket. Which actually works against him at least for protection reasons.
The other problem, and its been a problem since McNabb days, is Reid's offense. Redzone? PASS! 3rd and 2? PASS DEEP! Oh and don't you audible! Supreme offensive genius knows best so its not the play or scheme ever in question!
More than once opposing CBs have commented on how predictable the WRs routes are. Deep 15 yard come backs, curls, or go routes. All routes which require time to develop. When Vick had decent protection he moved the ball pretty well between the 20s.
In fact how crappy their scoring offense was, they still moved the ball. Its just when you get into the redzone, the lack of a running game, poor blitz pick up/recognition, and injuries on the line really made things worse. But Eagles redzone offense has stunk since McNabb's last 2 seasons.
Reid/MM never solved it and only doubled down on their philosophy. Vick, when he had free reign to break plays and just run around, solved it momentarily but when he tried real hard to be a pocket passer his inability to get the ball out quickly only led to more hits, fumbles, and injuries.
But again, I don't think they liked any of the QBs in this year's draft enough to select them early as the QB of the future.
They were more than ready to go in this year with Foles and Vick.
And fucking McCoy. I love the guy but he is making it really hard to cheer for him when he keeps getting into trouble with women. Grow the fuck up already.
That's good then, not exactly my kind of song.
If you go into it expecting Electo you will be disappointed. Its a disco CD.
Not saying its bad.
Starks is gone. Green will be fine and he knows it.
Yeah. It's not like their older stuff.
Futurevoid
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Aaron Curry's deal with the Giants:
Does mccarthy even give a fuck about running the ball?
He seems like a slightly skinnier version of Andy Reid. He just wants to throw it on every down.
Real talk Packers GAF. Which coach is worse between Tomlin and McCarthy? I am not asking if either is good, because they both suck balls IMHO. I am also not asking which one is more attractive because we all know your coach is a fat blob of ugly while Tomlin makes up for his lack of intelligence with charisma and by being the best looking NFL coach in NFL history.
He seems like a slightly skinnier version of Andy Reid. He just wants to throw it on every down.
Real talk Packers GAF. Which coach is worse between Tomlin and McCarthy? I am not asking if either is good, because they both suck balls IMHO. I am also not asking which one is more attractive because we all know your coach is a fat blob of ugly while Tomlin makes up for his lack of intelligence with charisma and by being the best looking NFL coach in NFL history.
BannedEpisode
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Still no notice after my interview. Its only been a couple days though (Friday).
Nerve wracking.
I wonder if the new Viking Stadium will have a 30 foot tall Peterson statue.
Nerve wracking.
I wonder if the new Viking Stadium will have a 30 foot tall Peterson statue.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
If nothing else Green is safe because his dead money is $250k this year and Starks is only $25k. Not really huge amounts but probably something they consider. This is also the last year for Starks under his contract so he's out sooner or later. Green is gone after this next season unless he blows up. So is Kuhn.
Your defense has sucked dick in the past two years. And when slanging isn't working I don't see a plan B on offense.
I wish my biggest complaint with Tomlin was challenges. But honestly unless you are winning we will find a way to make a coach look retarded. The one exception is Tomlin's insistence on trying to kick 50 yard field goals at Heinz (it is impossible). We seem to lose one game a year by that bullshit. Someone needs to tell him that you are allowed to punt on the other side of the field!
Guys. GUYS! I think I found the person who killed Ron and Nicole!
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
McCarthy gives Rodgers a whole lot of say in our offense. You can tell just based on how Rodgers plays the game versus one of Reid's QBs. Rodgers has full control over timeouts and is always free to audible. Obviously McCarthy has the most control but you have to know that Rodgers has a lot of input.
Green Bay doesn't run the ball because we suck at it. If we had Lesean McCoy, he'd get used unlike Reid's system.
Has McCarthy ever been able to run the ball regardless of running back?
I also wonder how much McCoy would get used in GB. I really wonder if McCarthy believes in a running game.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
We ran the ball pretty well in 2008 and 2009 with Ryan Grant. Grant looked like he was going to have another great season when he got injured in the first game of 2010. So I wouldn't say he's completely adverse to it.
medical staff?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-eagles-lesean-mccoy-sued-for-alleged-assault
Someone is suing Lesean McCoy for assault. She is alleging Shady or one of the people on the bus hit her and then they poured water on her.
We aren't the Lions!
Someone is suing Lesean McCoy for assault. She is alleging Shady or one of the people on the bus hit her and then they poured water on her.
We aren't the Lions!
That wasn't a woman but thank you for using the Heimlich maneuver dislodging that taco from Josh Freeman's throat.
Elfforkusu
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How is Tomlin from Monday-Saturday? I always trust McCarthy to have a good game plan on offense (capers runs the D so that's on him) and to have the team ready to play.
McCarthy's usually dumber than a box of rocks on gameday, but I still consider him a pretty good coach for what he does in preparation.
Futurevoid
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Woodson update:
He's scheduled to visit the Broncos on Wednesday as well.
He's scheduled to visit the Broncos on Wednesday as well.
yankeehater
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-eagles-lesean-mccoy-sued-for-alleged-assault
Someone is suing Lesean McCoy for assault. She is alleging Shady or one of the people on the bus hit her and then they poured water on her.
We aren't the Lions!
It happened in December, she never called the police but she is suing for money. Hmmmm....
i will give Tomlin credit for Monday to Saturday as well with the exception of his handling of injuries and veterans. Too often we will give too much playing time to a gimp when the shit below him isn't any good but is at least healthy. And often it just leads to a worse injury. This is not just Tomlin, most coaches and fans don't see these players as humans. They are used up until they break.
Tomlin also can't make any adjustments on gameday.
The true test for Tomlin is going to come in the next 3 years when he has to rebuild this team. Cowher was a fucking champ and rebuilt the team several times. Tomlin got a group of all pros when he was hired. Now we will see how he is at coaching guys up.
Hope not. His goal with the running game is not to be effective but to open up holes in the passing game. When you have the worst quarterback in football you don't want to take the ball out of his hands and hand it to some asshole who will fall forward 3.2 yards.
Starks is gone because he can't stay healthy, it has nothing to do with a couple hundred g's.
When have they ever needed a plan B? Like, twice in regular season games and any game against the Giants. That's it.
McCarthy has nothing to do with the defense.
Alligatorjandro
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Happy birthday Gronk
Goro Majima
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Spectral Glider
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That game was on last night too....during the Leafs epic choke. That's some voodoo shit right there.
Buckethead
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I hope so.
The Packers' primary method of attack is and always should be the pass game but they've become predictable and one-dimensional.
People like to say how they won a Super Bowl without the run game which is not true at all.
They barely escaped Philadelphia with a win but did so thanks to Starks chewing a bit of clock and Desmond Bishop playing QB Spy.
At times, they barely escaped with wins, just like they barely snuck into the playoffs.
The Patriots pass-to-run and the Saints have 3 RBs that help open up the passing game for their terrible WRs and basketball playing TE.
I'd love to see some 2RB sets where the backs can actually do something. Defenses would have to play them differently opening up the traditional pass game but also opening up the RBs out of the backfield.
Depleting defenses to the secondary while having a competent attack up front will be murder for the Packers' opponents and make Aaron like a kid in a candy store.
It's funny you point out the Giants game where McCarthy was so obviously incompetent and in over his head, Vince Lombardi could hear it back in 1956.
You didn't mention the 49ers game either where, despite the run working, he went away from it. If anything could help a winded defense, it'd be a little breather, and it's not like the pass game was lighting it up anyway.
Point being, in two games that mattered, McCarthy's gameplan was criminally negligent and the Packers got blown out of the fucking water.
You can have all the 15-1 and 11-5 seasons you want but it's playoff success that matters. It's what got Sherman shitcanned and McCarthy will be next unless he finds someone to do his gameplanning for him.
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