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The Postons want Julian Peterson to get "Peyton Manning money" because he's the "quaterback of the defense."

The Chargers withdrew their offer to Rivers, and say each subsequent offer will be lower than the last one.

Lt. Col. Winslow said to be "closer" to a deal with the Browns.

 

[Bowser]

The Postons want Julian Peterson to get "Peyton Manning money" because he's the "quaterback of the defense."

...

 

[Fifty]

I hope the Niners refuse to sign him and keep his ass off the field.

 

[Archaix]

Congratulations, Philly. You've got one of the bigger morons in the league.

Hasn't even played a game with him yet, but TO is complaining about McNabb's accuracy. Not to mention the retarded comment he made about Jeff Garcia.

edit: In case you haven't heard, he gave an interview with playboy. Asked about whether Jeff Garcia were gay, he responded with "If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golley it's a rat", and then later said that if he had a gay teamate he'd wait to see what the reaction in the locker room was before he made any judgements(Well, there's a real leader for you).

 

[Shinobi]

Man the Ravens website has some hot cheerleader profiles.

Check this out!

How could they?

Shades of the Raptors' first few years...sigh.

As for the Chargers situation, you get the feeling that the Mannings saw this coming a mile away and said to themselves "fuck that shit". Didn't blame them then, don't blame them now.

 

[Teddman]

Perhaps you should watch this game I call football.

I did watch it yesterday, and both the Skins' touchdowns came after Jansen was out of the game.

HE'S NOT THAT GOOD

 

[Pimpwerx]

edit: In case you haven't heard, he gave an interview with playboy. Asked about whether Jeff Garcia were gay, he responded with "If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golley it's a rat", and then later said that if he had a gay teamate he'd wait to see what the reaction in the locker room was before he made any judgements(Well, there's a real leader for you).

Well, it is JGar......<insert awkward silence here>

Anyway, I too would like to get in on a GAF fantasy league if it's not too late. It's still preseason, so there should be some time. I need my football fix, and fantasy football gives me an excuse to follow a lot of teams I wouldn't normally care about...like Zona. Please PM me if there's a slot available somewhere, I am game, and I will stick with it all season long.

As for the game, I missed it. I tuned in late in Q3, and that's pretty much garbage time. I totally forgot Sean Taylor was on the Skins. I'll have to take a look at the sports page to see how he did. 3 picks and a TD? Damn, sounds like he's sliding right into the NFL. He was nasty in college. He's gonna be the next Rod Woodson IMO. Someone who can hit, pick, cover and run.

As for Portis, I still don't know why Denver got rid of him. The Skins got the better of that deal. Bailey is awesome, don't get me wrong. One of the best cover guys. But the Skins still have Smoot (thanks again Miami for passing him up and picking Fletcher instead you fucking idiots) who's awesome, and besides, Bailey is just half the field. Portis is a points productions machine. He's no fluke. He's been exceeding expectations since college when Butch Davis almost wasted him early on. He was Miami's gamebreaker even coming off the bench, and he did wonders for Denver. You'd think they'd want to lift themselves from the level of suck they've reached by holding onto their best back since TD. Oh well, looks like Washington got a good deal. Jansen going down won't kill the Skins, but it won't make it easy. IIRC from Madden, he's a RT? The best RT in the game? He was always one of the first guys I traded to my team to protect Vick's blindside. Oh well, it's not like Washington's gonna win a SB this year. Keep dreaming Skins fans.

That said, I wanna try and get tix to the game on the 21st against the Skins. See how Portis and Taylor do. That and the Jets are the only worthwhile home games this year. And we might end up losing both, but it'll be worth the trip. Miami Dolphins, 2004/2005 Champs! A man can dream. PEACE.

 

[Fifty]

I can't get ESPN here, and I really, really wanted to see Thursday's game against the Falcons. Anyone (even a Falcons fan..) know if there's a non-radio way to watch it online? It's on national ESPN, but this country I live in doesn't have ESPN.

 

[Teddman]

I can't get ESPN here, and I really, really wanted to see Thursday's game against the Falcons. Anyone (even a Falcons fan..) know if there's a non-radio way to watch it online?

I think the best you can do is http://www.nfl.com/ravens and click on the live play-by-play page.

 

[Fifty]

Well if that's the case then I might settle for the radio broadcast. Thanks anyway.

 

[effzee]

Congratulations, Philly. You've got one of the bigger morons in the league.

Hasn't even played a game with him yet, but TO is complaining about McNabb's accuracy. Not to mention the retarded comment he made about Jeff Garcia.

edit: In case you haven't heard, he gave an interview with playboy. Asked about whether Jeff Garcia were gay, he responded with "If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golley it's a rat", and then later said that if he had a gay teamate he'd wait to see what the reaction in the locker room was before he made any judgements(Well, there's a real leader for you).

im sure TO will get tons more flack for his comment then say other people who have made similar distasteful comments, like parcells or seau. with that said i dont agree at all with what TO said, eventhough in todays press conference he said something to the sort "he doesnt think Garcia is a "rat" cause he has a GF".

as for his "ill watch others have to say"...it doesnt sound right but its not like he made some insensitive comment there...here is the full quote:

"I probably wouldn't say anything right off the bat," Owens said. "I'd just see what everyone else has to say. I'd probably keep my distance and, hopefully, he would keep his. If it was a guy who was helping us win ball games, hey, I'd have no problem with it. He can do what he wants to do outside of my everyday life."


as for his mcnabb comment it was some joke question that went like "is mcnabb an accurate QB who like to pet kittens?" to which he said "no".
found the real question and answer

"Playboy: Answer this question in one word. Is McNabb an accurate, effeminate QB that likes to put kittens in a meat grinder?
TO: No."

 

[Meier]

Lmao, they just showed a clip of Carl Poston watching the Poston flash animation on Outside the Lines and he was all pissed off. "That's just not right."

 

[Archaix]

I'll just go with Mark Schlereth's response to TO's press conference.

"He better watch out, if he backpeddles that fast in practice he'll be likely to pull a hammy"

He was clearly scrambling to try and take the heat off himself. There wasn't a single thing that was right with what he said, he can't defend it.

And for the record, Parcells is a dumbass, too. And Shockey. But Owens is the kind of the moron mountain that is NFL personalities that can't shut up.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

somebody needs to make a gif of that face Donovan McNabb makes in the Champs Sports commercial.

 

[WasabiKing]

Random Musings:

TO calling Garcia gay, yet TO INSISTS on wearing tights in practice...

Tim Brown may be able to get his 100th TD in Oakland this year, the Bucs and Raiders face each other in week 3

The MFin' Soldja reportedly signed... $16.5 mil bonus

What's up with all these injuries in camp this year? Kearse, Boldin to name a few...

Dudes as cheerleaders, WTF! Wrong, all wrong!

 

[Bowser]

You've seen those Disney commercials, right? The ones where they urge we baby boomers to visit the theme parks even after the nest is empty? Well, it seems like about half the Bucs roster heeded the call. The Disney Wide World of Sports complex, where the Bucs hold training camp, is a veritable Geezer Nation. By our count, 22 players on the Bucs roster are 30 or older, and that does not take into account AWOL wide receiver Keenan McCardell. A dozen Bucs veterans have 10 or more seasons of NFL experience. Nine of the 30-year-old players were added this spring in the Bucs' ever-active but also cut-rate shopping spree. It's as if coach Jon Gruden and general manager Bruce Allen simply mounted on wheels the old-age home over which they presided in Oakland, and relocated it 3,000 miles to the southeast. But, hey, Gruden loves older guys. And, to be honest, it was his geriatric Raiders in the Super Bowl two years ago. Sure, the Raiders all suddenly looked their age in the title game loss to the pre-Gruden-era Bucs, but they had the highest octane offense in the league during the regular season, and no one was griping about their football dotage at the time.

No one in Tampa will moan much, either, if Gruden can turn the team's 2004 highlight film into a remake of the movie "Cocoon." The question is, can Gruden pull it off again? He certainly thinks he can and, not surprisingly, so do most of his old fogies. But you've really got to wonder. Over the weekend, guys like wide receiver Joey Galloway and offensive linemen Derrick Deese and Todd Steussie missed practice. Tailback Charlie Garner, coming off knee surgery, clearly isn't as spry as he was when Gruden coached him in Oakland. Mike Alsott, the power-running fullback, seems recovered from serious neck surgery, but still has to test himself in preseason play. Middle linebacker Shelton Quarles is missing time with a broken wrist. Good Lord, even sackmeister Simeon Rice is 30 (how did that one sneak up on us?), although he shows no decline in quickness. The conventional theory leaguewide is that the Bucs will get out of the box quickly, play like gangbusters early in the season, and then fade when the old guys start playing their age.

 

[Eminem]

i hate reading this topic. it makes me want football even more

 

[Miguel]

I've got madden to fill my needs.

Time to take on the Cobwebs

 

[Bowser]

"Can you hear me now?"

 

[levious]

why do people insist on assessing teams ability based on preseason games? I know you're excited for football but come on.

My god willco, you really are a reasonable redskins fan.

- but that's a relative statement.

 

[Slo]

why do people insist on assessing teams ability based on preseason games? I know you're excited for football but come on.

My god willco, you really are a reasonable redskins fan.

- but that's a relative statement.

I think it's that the media sensationalizes things so much. Remember last year when Donovan McNabb was washed up has been after week 2 and the Vikings were superbowl contenders after week 5?

 

[Guileless]

Mannings made right move all along

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingCamp04/columns/story?columnist=ratto_ray&id=1856939

The Chargers' contract offer includes 22 million in incentives that Rivers only gets if he goes to the Pro Bowl and wins the Super Bowl every year for 6 years! They're counting all of that money in their offer. lollers

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

as for his mcnabb comment it was some joke question that went like "is mcnabb an accurate QB who like to pet kittens?" to which he said "no".
found the real question and answer

"Playboy: Answer this question in one word. Is McNabb an accurate, effeminate QB that likes to put kittens in a meat grinder?
TO: No."

Was that the McNabb comment? I was wondering why everybody here in Philly didn't jump on that one. I was sitting here thinking he had made some dumb comment. Then started thinking how it would get everybody riled up. I guess this is a few comments that get lambasted cuz it comes from a professional player, considering everybody calls J. Garcia gay. But Terrell should just drop it, he sounds like a jilted lover.

 

[Bowser]

Random Musings II:

Boldin could be sidelined eight weeks after his knee surgery. This and the injury to Marcel Shipp has to destroy any hope the Cardinals had of (even marginally) improving this season. I forsee them having the #1 draft pick in the 2005 draft.

Winslow II reported to camp today after his 12-day holdout. Caught two touchdown passes during practice.

Drew Brees will likely be the Chargers starter because of Rivers' holdout. Don't blame him with the kind of contract they were proposing (if what Guileless says the Chargers are offering is true).

 

[effzee]

kearse is fine...he practiced today and will play fir night....although i wish he didnt.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

About the Jeff Garcia being gay thing. I read this over on the DVD Talk Forum.

From Cleveland Plain Dealer:

Word is Garcia is dating Avon Lake native Carmella DeCesare, Playboy Magazine's current Playmate of the Year - and tongues are wagging that the Browns QB has ALREADY become a major, popular celebrity on the local social scene.

 

[DJ_Tet]

About the Jeff Garcia being gay thing. I read this over on the DVD Talk Forum.

Cause god forbid JG would date anyone not remotely attractive. Everyone already knows/thinks he's gay, what would he have to lose by dating people that aren't model quality? What a moron. God forbid you date anyone less than "10" Jeff. Cause we all know every "10" wants your penis. And that's what's important. Get real Jeff, you aren't fooling anyone.

And TO, shut the fuck up bitch. We're tired of your schtick too.

Guess that playa who wanted more Philly coverage in the NFL thread has gotten his wish so far.

Be careful of what you ask for, btw EVERY team in the NFC South is better than ANY team in the NFC least.

 

[Miguel]

Cause god forbid JG would date anyone not remotely attractive.

I thought Jeopardy Guy was married?! Then again, he is mormon.

 

[DJ_Tet]

I thought Jeopardy Guy was married?! Then again, he is mormon.

JG has got 10 more wins under his belt at least come new season, and no spoiler tags cause you drug Ken Jennings into this yourself.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

kearse is fine...he practiced today and will play fir night....although i wish he didnt.

I give kearse 3 games... 4 max before he is out for the season.

 

[DJ_Tet]

I give kearse 3 games... 4 max before he is out for the season.

Pretty much...Everyone thinks their FA signings will work out for them. They may be right, but history says their wrong.

I remember in one off season the Panthers signed/traded for Sean Gilbert (whoops), Chuck Smith (whoops), and Reggie White(whoops). But yeah, teams let their healthy D-Line prospects walk for nothing all the time. Same goes for No. 1 receivers.

Sorry Philly, I see a no. 2 finish this year, with LOTS of luck in the WORST division in the NFC.

Good luck making the playoffs though, there's still plenty of time to prove me wrong.

 

[levious]

Be careful of what you ask for, btw EVERY team in the NFC South is better than ANY team in the NFC least.

Iggles, Cowgirls, NFC Least... I like you man, but that kind of stuff makes you sound less intelligent, unless you can make it entertaining like FMT.

 

[TheDuce22]

The media has taken it to a new level with the way they are covering the eagles. Kearse sprains his ankle and they act like he is out for the season. TO makes a harmless comment about Mcnabbs accuracy and they take it out of context so they can continue their smear campign. I used to think he was bullshitting when he said the media was against him but now i see it first hand. They take any little thing he says and blow it up. He commented on how the hitting in camp was different than in sanfran and he didnt know what he prefered. The next day on espn what do you see? "OWENS ALLREADY UNHAPPY!!?" Dawkins came out and said he didnt like it, did that get any coverage?

 

[Guileless]

The incentives as reported by Union-Tribune columnist Nick Canepa: "If Rivers wins four Super Bowls and appears in four Pro Bowls over his first four years, he gets $5 million. Five Super Bowls and five Pro Bowls in five years? $7.5 million. Six Super Bowls and six Pro Bowls in six years? $10 million."

While these might appear somewhat difficult to achieve, the Chargers actually have offered other incentives to Rivers, ones that are much more attainable.

If the sun rises in the west – $20 million.

If Barbra Streisand, Bruce Springsteen, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Alec Baldwin and Michael Moore come out in support of George Bush – $40 million.

If Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon hug – $60 million.

If O.J. finds the real killer – $80 million.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20040812-9999-lz1s12gallry.html

 

[DJ_Tet]

The incentives as reported by Union-Tribune columnist Nick Canepa: "If Rivers wins four Super Bowls and appears in four Pro Bowls over his first four years, he gets $5 million. Five Super Bowls and five Pro Bowls in five years? $7.5 million. Six Super Bowls and six Pro Bowls in six years? $10 million."

While these might appear somewhat difficult to achieve, the Chargers actually have offered other incentives to Rivers, ones that are much more attainable.

If the sun rises in the west – $20 million.

If Barbra Streisand, Bruce Springsteen, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Alec Baldwin and Michael Moore come out in support of George Bush – $40 million.

If Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon hug – $60 million.

If O.J. finds the real killer – $80 million.



http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20040812-9999-lz1s12gallry.html

:lol


and I'm not here to "entertain", the Panthers did enough of that over the Cowgirls last year, and the Iggles.

 

[DarienA]

Man I am SO hyped for tonight's game.... interestingly enough I was looking on eBay yesterday to see what tickets were available for games down the road... there were a decent amount of tickets for tonight's game still available....

 

[Fifty]

You should go!

 

[Miguel]

:lol
and I'm not here to "entertain", the Panthers did enough of that over the Cowgirls last year, and the Iggles.

And the Texa...oh wait. Texans did a little entertaining of their own.

 

[Eminem]

wow, Oakland is offering Woodson a helluva contract

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

:lol


and I'm not here to "entertain", the Panthers did enough of that over the Cowgirls last year, and the Iggles.

You forget the Eagles also beat the Panthers in the regular season, in Charlotte. Now I like the Panthers, but your previous statement was pretty ignorant. You tend to forget that the 'aints are also in the NFC south.

 

[DJ_Tet]

You forget the Eagles also beat the Panthers in the regular season, in Charlotte. Now I like the Panthers, but your previous statement was pretty ignorant. You tend to forget that the 'aints are also in the NFC south.

Believe me, I'd never forget losing to the Eagles or the Texans in the regular season. Two heartbreaking losses there, both totally avoidable. We won our share like that this year too though, so that's the way it goes...

 

[levious]

I hope that Carolina can maintain this level of play and not experience a drop off like the Kerry collins era... I'm not a fan, but I just love that everyone dogged the division prior to the season and they ended up representing NFC

 

[Bowser]

I hope that Carolina can maintain this level of play and not experience a drop off like the Kerry collins era... I'm not a fan, but I just love that everyone dogged the division prior to the season and they ended up representing NFC

I just hope that we can be competitive with our O-Line being in such terrible shape and with a bit of a suspect secondary with all the newcomers (only 16-game starter [I think] to return is Mike Minter; at least Ricky Manning Jr. started half the season, he needed the experience to help out this year). Hopefully Chris Gamble turns out to be a good corner and can start the second half of the season. The return of Mark Fields will definately give the team a lift and the hunger to prove that last season was NOT a fluke will be there to motivate them. I really am worried about our O-Line though, it's very shaky with the only superb players are center Jeff Mitchell and tackle Jordan Gross. Here's hoping Dan Morgan can stay healthy for at least 3/4ths of the season, too.

NFC South is gonna be a damn good and competitive division this year. I see it playing out as this:

Carolina/Atlanta
Atlanta/Carolina
Tampa Bay
New Orleans

If Atlanta has Vick for the entire season, they have a VERY good chance of winning the division. But I think Carolina will beat them out simply because of a better defense. We will see, though. Man I'm stoked for the season!

 

[Archaix]

So the Chargers are going to make LT the highest paid running back(What the fuck are you thinking, anyway Ladanian? Why the hell would you sign on for 8 more years with the Chargers?) in the league while they still can't sign Rivers.

Hah, Mort and Berman are talking about the incentive package in Rivers's cotract offer, TJ is off screen choking on his laughter.

I'll tell you though, if Rivers and Tomlinson were playing in a city with ownership possessing anything resembling competency, it'd be pretty scary.

 

[SyNapSe]

Yeah, if I was LT, I DEFINATELY wouldn't resign for that long for sure. You gotta consider Marty Schottenheimer is probably going to be gone after the season also (not necessarily his own fault), but it's gonna happen.

He loves to ride the RB, but who knows what coach they'll get next.

 

[soulja224466]

Gametime. GO RAMS!!

 

[DarienA]

Wow the new Ravens look just like the old Ravens! Great looking defense, questionable offense, questionable special teams(dumb ass Brightful).

 

[Fifty]

Frightful cannot return punts in this league. Please, Billick, don't let him do this! Put Chester Taylor in there.

 

[tmdorsey]

I hope that's not the starting O-Line out there for us (Falcons). Schobb(sp?) is looking ok though, alot better than Doug Johnson.

 

[Archaix]

Vick sure looked good. Did you see how well he handed the ball off and then panicked when he saw a Raven coming at him?

You've got to feel sorry for Vick, he's got to be paranoid about anything purple. Poor guy probably jumps at the sight of a raisin. But still, he needs to get reps against a first team defense(The falcons don't count, because let's face it...their's isn't a first team)