NFL Week 15 2010|OT| - Let's All Just Move West!

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Jason's Ultimatum said:
So will the Pats go to the SB? :(
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If there can get a ticket to it I don't see why not. Unfortunately the Supreme Court didn't buy my argument that Patriots players and fans are separate but evil. :(
 
bionic77 said:
You also had no fear of Eli Manning and the 5th seed Giants. You probably felt safe being up 100 points against Peyton. Likewise against Flacco at home and Jake the Snake in the playoffs when Shady was undefeated in the postseason.

Point is football is as predictable as Pats fans are charitable. You won't go far relying on either...
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However it is relatively predictable that you'd make a post disparaging the Patriots and I'd respond. :D

By the way no sane Patriots fan feels safe against Peyton Manning since 2004.
 
TRIPGATE!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5919573

On Day 3 of TripGate, former Miami Dolphins linebacker Zach Thomas accused the New York Jets of deliberately forming a human wall on their sideline to influence the Dolphins' gunner, Nolan Carroll.

The unfortunate episode became a national story because Carroll was purposely tripped by Sal Alosi, the Jets' strength and conditioning coach, but Thomas is part of a growing faction that believes Alosi wasn't acting alone.

"They had to be ordered to stand there because they're foot to foot," Thomas said Tuesday on Miami radio station WQAM. "There's four of them, side to side -- five of them, I mean -- on the edge of the coaches' zone. They're only out there to restrict the space of the gunner.

"But there's more to it because I'm telling you, the only thing [Alosi] did wrong was intentionally put that knee out there. If he just stood there, there would never have been a problem, even if the guy got tripped. But there's more to this. He was ordered to stand there. No one is foot to foot on the sideline in the coaches' box."


Actually, it was a six-man line, starting with Alosi and defensive lineman Marcus Dixon (inactive). It's believed the other four also were inactive players. They were in a tight formation, almost like soccer players preparing to defend a direct kick. Their toes were right up against the boundary, with Alosi positioned in the corner of the coaches' box.

Coincidence? When Carroll approached at full speed, not one of them flinched, suggesting it was a show of force that appeared to be orchestrated. Alosi and Jets officials denied that, claiming they don't coach that tactic -- an unsavory technique that is semi-prevalent around the league.

Everybody knows what happened next: Alosi infamously extended his left knee as Carroll ran by on a punt, causing the Miami rookie to fall on his face -- an "irresponsible" act (Alosi's word) that resulted in him being suspended without pay for the rest of the season and fined $25,000 by the Jets.

A close examination of the TV replay shows that Dixon was leaning in with his left shoulder, perhaps preparing for contact as well.

"Something is fishy," said an opposing personnel executive, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

The executive said the Jets have shown a penchant in recent weeks for using sideline personnel as a deterrent to gunners -- players sprinting the sideline in an attempt to get to the returner quickly -- adding that the Jets' sideline is conspicuously clear when their team is doing the punting.

One punt before the Carroll trip, Alosi and four others were lined up in a similar fashion. On that play, Dolphins gunner Reshad Jones came barreling into the sideline area. Because he didn't return immediately to the field, he was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. Even though they benefited from the penalty, the Jets responded as if their turf had been invaded.

"It was kind of curious," said a former longtime NFL special-teams coach. "I mean, they had a bunch of guys lined up. It was unusual to say the least. If somebody ordered that, I'd be [ticked] off if I were Sal."

Former Buffalo Bill Steve Tasker, one of the greatest special-teams players in history, said the Jets' tactic -- if intentional -- didn't bother him at all. He didn't condone Alosi's trip, but he has no problem with a team trying to defend its sideline to prevent a gunner from gaining field position.

"No question, you're not supposed to trip someone, but I think this is an overreaction," he said in a phone interview. "This isn't stealing signs or illegal taping or somebody sabotaging something. It was just a guy, reacting."

Tasker said he made a living out of running out of bounds as a gunner, using the sideline to escape blockers. One time, in a game against the Jets, he was so far out of bounds that he ran through the bench area to break free. Another time, he said he was tripped by former Giants punter Sean Landeta while running on the boundary.

"You think this is the first time [a trip] ever happened? Come on," Tasker said. "Guys were always giving me extra shoves. You don't want to see someone get hurt, but it's not a big deal. Why wouldn't you give a guy a forearm shiver? Everyone on the sideline is part of a team and they all want to win. Shoot, even the doctors are competitive.

"If [the Jets] are coached to do that, so what? Call a penalty on them. If a gunner is going to use the sideline as a weapon, like I did, why wouldn't you want to form a roadblock? There's nothing wrong with that as long as it's within the rules."

Because of Tasker, the league changed the rules, restricting the gunner -- aka the Steve Tasker Rule. On Monday, ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen reported the NFL will send a memo to all 32 clubs as a reminder that they should adhere to league rules that require players, coaches and other personnel to remain the proper distance from the sidelines. But NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an e-mail that the league is not investigating whether the Jets on the sidelines were in a formation to obstruct the gunner.

Jets coach Rex Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum, while not defending Alosi's action, insisted their players aren't coached to crowd the sideline.

"No. 1, I did not instruct anyone," special-teams coach Mike Westhoff said in a statement issued by the team. "No. 2, I was not aware. With all of the people on the sidelines, it would be inconsequential and I would not be involved in any way, shape or form."

Westhoff used to coach the Dolphins' special teams, and spent five seasons with Thomas. The former Pro Bowl linebacker said he couldn't recall anything like that happening in Miami, but said there's no doubt in his mind that Alosi was simply following orders

"Oh, sure, that's the reason the guy didn't get fired," Thomas told Fox Sports Radio in South Florida. "... There was somebody that ordered that for the sideline."
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bionic77 said:
You also had no fear of Eli Manning and the 5th seed Giants. You probably felt safe being up 100 points against Peyton. Likewise against Flacco at home and Jake the Snake in the playoffs when Shady was undefeated in the postseason.
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Uh, none of those were true. Pats got dominated by the Giants for most of the week 16 game right before the SB. Don't know about you but I never feel safe against Peyton with any kind of lead. And the Pats were dog shit in 09, no to mention Welker just tore his knee off.
 
Anerythristic said:
Brady and Belicheat will rule the AFC East from their thrones of hate forevermore.
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Its going to take a few years to find a QB and get him playoff ready. Let them have another few years of winning, we take over after that.

Thats what I tell myself so I can sleep peacefully.
 
TheLegendary said:
MrBob is the only one
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Yeah I agree, perfect assessment.

TheLegendary said:
This has been a shitty week. After this Sunday I see next week being even shittier, if that's possible.
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Who knows. We're in the "you're telling me there's a chance" boat now.
Knowing this dream-dashing team we'll beat New England on Sunday, beat the Giants, then the entire team will fall down dead against the Bears.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
With the Pats being cheaters, Refs throwing games for the Steelers, and the Jets tripping up players, AFC east is pretty damn fucked up.
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The Steelers are in the AFC East?
 
Case said:
Uh, none of those were true. Pats got dominated by the Giants for most of the week 16 game right before the SB. Don't know about you but I never feel safe against Peyton with any kind of lead. And the Pats were dog shit in 09, no to mention Welker just tore his knee off.
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Thats not how I remember it. Pats fans on this board were unbearable that entire season leading up to and during the Superbowl. Look I am sure in the Boston "history books" it says that the Pats were huge underdogs in the 2008 Superbowl and that Tom Brady wears men's shoes, but we both know that sure as hell ain't the truth.
 
NomarTyme said:
Go ahead and make the playoffs. I would like to see a 40 - 0 score anyways.
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i don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck! i just want to taste those delicious bitter tears of a team with 11/12 wins when they have to play a road playoff game against a .500 or worse squad.

i don't get these fucking dick bags on the niners board hoping we don't make the playoffs so they can ensure singletary is fired and alex smith is gone. here's a newsflash: unless we win the superbowl, singletary aint comin back. and unless alex smith absolutely destroys these last 3 opponents, he's not coming back..... and even if he does destroy them, i don't know why he would ever want to come back to this organization.

as far as us getting our ass kicked in immediately, that's what will probably happen. but no team has ever won the superbowl without making the playoffs, so those niners "fans" hoping we falter can eat a bag of dicks because once you're in the playoffs anything can happen
 
I remember watching that Superbowl with a bunch of New England lifelongs.

One of the chicks actually said, "Wait, are the Pats in blue or white?"

Real special.

My Dolphins fan friend and I had an epic bro hug after the Tyree play.
 
Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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NFC West. I dont want to just make the playoffs with a 7-9 record, but I want to beat a team. Just for the lulz everyone will make.
 
Corran Horn said:
NFC West. I dont want to just make the playoffs with a 7-9 record, but I want to beat a team. Just for the lulz everyone will make.
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winning a game would be even better because then people would say RABBLE THEY SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS! BULLSHIT CHANGE THE RULE NFL!

then i hope the nfl changes the rule and those teams suffer as the niners/nfc west return to prominence!
 
Sounds like Favre might make it back for the game Monday night against the Bears!

Come on Favre, do the Packers one last favor before you ride off into the sunset!

Harvin and Ray Edwards will be back. Possibly Hutchinson.

Take out the scum.
 
tyguy20204 said:
Sounds like Favre might make it back for the game Monday night against the Bears!

Come on Favre, do the Packers one last favor before you ride off into the sunset!

Harvin and Ray Edwards will be back. Possibly Hutchinson.

Take out the scum.
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I think many Bears' fans HOPE Favre plays.

He's a shell of his former self and he'd be target practice and out before halftime.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I think many Bears' fans HOPE Favre plays.
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And that's why many Bears fans are stupid.

Favre is a gimpy shell of his former self, but gives them a far better chance than T-Jack to win.
If they gameplan intelligently (e.g.: take quick 3 step drops, pass off short immediately) he's still capable of winning games, especially against the Bears' Cover 2.

It all comes down to where his arm strength is at. And of course if Favre decided to go along with the plan.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I think many Bears' fans HOPE Favre plays.

He's a shell of his former self and he'd be target practice and out before halftime.
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Still, he's better than their third string QB or whatever QB they sign from the street.

No doubt Favre isn't what he used to be, but could he come in and play a heck of a game? I would say so.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I think many Bears' fans HOPE Favre plays.

He's a shell of his former self and he'd be target practice and out before halftime.
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Not a chance you're that dumb. Favre is better than some emergency signee 4th option. Good Lord.
 
Buckethead said:
And that's why many Bears fans are stupid.
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:lol

Michael Vick was runnning for his life every down.

Brett Favre can't even throw soft passes this week without looking like a cripple.

It's not his nature to dink and dunk, he'd get slaughtered.

I'd rather face him than Tavaris but he's not healthy either.

Basically, no one is stupid, only scared and doubting fans want to face scrubs.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
:lol

Michael Vick was runnning for his life every down.

Brett Favre can't even throw soft passes this week without looking like a cripple.

It's not his nature to dink and dunk, he'd get slaughtered.

I'd rather face him than Tavaris but he's not healthy either.

Basically, no one is stupid, only scared and doubting fans want to face scrubs.
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Did you suddenly forget that he's been ripping you and the rest of the league on slants for the past 20 years?

He throws that particular route as well as anyone in the league.

Brings me nightmares of that game back in 2005 when he ripped up Ed Zonatell's defense the entire game. Threw at least 15 slants, and Ed couldn't get his head out of his ass and move out of that Cover 2 look.
 
mysteriousmage09 said:
Sounds like the Vikings will be playing in the University of Minnesota Gopher football stadium on Monday. And the dome is really fucked right now.
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Maybe they can sign Adam Weber quick, too.
 
Talon- said:
Did you suddenly forget that he's been ripping you and the rest of the league on slants for the past 20 years?

He throws that particular route as well as anyone in the league.

Brings me nightmares of that game back in 2005 when he ripped up Ed Zonatell's defense the entire game. Threw at least 15 slants, and Ed couldn't get his head out of his ass and move out of that Cover 2 look.
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Aaron Rodgers throws that pass better(now, arguably) and the Bears beat the Packers.

My point really is, I'd rather face the real quarterback of the other team because you don't get better by playing against scrubs.

I don't even know who Joe Webb is but while that's the easy way out, it's hardly good preparation to who you are going to face in the playoffs.

Sometimes the Bears play to the level of their competition as well.

Didn't work last game but it did for the Packers, Cowboys and Eagles.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Aaron Rodgers throws that pass better(now, arguably) and the Bears beat the Packers.

My point really is, I'd rather face the real quarterback of the other team because you don't get better by playing against scrubs.

I don't even know who Joe Webb is but while that's the easy way out, it's hardly good preparation to who you are going to face in the playoffs.

Sometimes the Bears play to the level of their competition as well.

Didn't work last game but it did for the Packers, Cowboys and Eagles.
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Division games are closer than they should be in this league anyways. I'm sure you've seen Bears/Packers teams that had no business being in a game in the 4th quarter pull one out in that matchup more than a couple times in the past decade.
 
Not too confident this Sunday against the Eagles. Eli has not been playing well at all and aside from SB 42, Asante has had his number. If he comes back against us forget it.

Bradley being out is a huge plus for us, this time we will have our OL intact (though I don't know if at this point Ohara would be an upgrade over Seubert, who has been a machine). I want A LOT of Jacobs early on against that smallish Eagles D.
 
Wellington said:
Not too confident this Sunday against the Eagles. Eli has not been playing well at all and aside from SB 42, Asante has had his number. If he comes back against us forget it.

Bradley being out is a huge plus for us, this time we will have our OL intact (though I don't know if at this point Ohara would be an upgrade over Seubert, who has been a machine). I want A LOT of Jacobs early on against that smallish Eagles D.
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But that defense of the Giants.

If the Bears can rattle Vick, the Giants can.
 
Wellington said:
Eli has not been playing well at all
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Eli turns the ball over, we lose. It seems obvious to say that, but his play is one of the biggest reasons we lost the last game against the Eagles. With Bradley out, a heavy, heavy dose of the run game with a fresh Jacobs and Bradshaw as the change up is just what's needed. I agree.

TheGreatMightyPoo said:
But that defense of the Giants.
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Not worried on the defensive side of the ball. Fewell had a great game plan the first time around and we'll no doubt see tweaks to improve it. The defense can only do so much if the offense keeps giving the ball away though.
 
Futurevoid said:
Not worried on the defensive side of the ball. Fewell had a great game plan the first time around and we'll no doubt see tweaks to improve it. The defense can only do so much if the offense keeps giving the ball away though.
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Dunno what D you are thinking about but word around here is that the Eagles should have scored 40+ with like two extra catches.

That said, another game last night where the Giants start slow. Whatever it is that Gilbride plans for those first 15 scripted plays has just not worked all season. I wonder what the issue is.
 
If anything killed the Giants vs. the Eagles on D, it was the inexplicable loss of contain by guys like Rolle/Boley where their only job was TO contain. At least 4-5 times they blew it leading to a big Eagles play/gain.
 
Anybody else watching this Year of the Quarterback special on ESPN? I guess they'll be running this as a series all year covering the position from High School, the recruiting process, college, the pros, et al.

Sounds pretty, pretty...prettay good.
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Wellington said:
Dunno what D you are thinking about but word around here is that the Eagles should have scored 40+ with like two extra catches.
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:lol

TheFrankman said:
If anything killed the Giants vs. the Eagles on D, it was the inexplicable loss of contain by guys like Rolle/Boley where their only job was TO contain.
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Yep. The one run by Mccoy after the JPP offides (a killer of a penalty!) and the late long run which was just the dagger.

Wellington said:
That said, another game last night where the Giants start slow.
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Eli looked terrible. Downright sluggish. He did mention in the post game interview that the traveling had affected "some" of the players. I'm thinking he was one of them cause he looked bad. We need 2007 playoff Eli or 2008 Eli this Sunday.
 
These flashes to Carson Palmer and Mark Sanchez as they talk about accountability and leadership are sort of undermining the whole thing.

Also, Matt Schaub and ARod as primary commentators? The highest duo in the league?

Edit: Keyshawn Johnson just threw all the shitty 14 or so Quarterbacks he played with under the bus. Fantastic!
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
winning a game would be even better because then people would say RABBLE THEY SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS! BULLSHIT CHANGE THE RULE NFL!

then i hope the nfl changes the rule and those teams suffer as the niners/nfc west return to prominence!
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I don't agree. Fluke wins like the '06 St Louis Cardinals don't change the fact that said teams don't belong in the playoffs.

The NFC West is a joke ever since Holmgren left. Even when the Cardinals made the Super Bowl they really weren't that good besides Warner/Fitz/Boldin.

Then again I'm not sure besides extending the playoffs what they can do. And that will just let more teams in without really alleviating the problem.
 
Horrible games on tv again on Sunday :| Wish the Lawlhawks would just lose and get eliminated already so we aren't forced to watch terrible teams play :(

At least Monday night's game should be interesting :|
 
Futurevoid said:
Eli looked terrible. Downright sluggish. He did mention in the post game interview that the traveling had affected "some" of the players. I'm thinking he was one of them cause he looked bad. We need 2007 playoff Eli or 2008 Eli this Sunday.
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Or 2009 Eli.

The issue is timing. That's how the offense is built on. Hagan being in the lineup and getting more reps with practice and game experience has been refreshing. I imagine he'll go with Nicks, and hopefully Mario can play as well. Those three plus adding Clayton to the 4th spot won't be so bad - it's been much worse.

I suspect a heavy dosage of Brandon Jacobs Sunday. He hasn't been used much at all the past two weeks despite being a "starter", and the Eagles defense is small. The last meeting they had they ran the ball to the right almost every play if I recall. With Diehl back and healthy, they'll get back into a normal approach.
 
Talon- said:
Anybody else watching this Year of the Quarterback special on ESPN? I guess they'll be running this as a series all year covering the position from High School, the recruiting process, college, the pros, et al.
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Yeah I'm watching it too. Outside of Brad Johnson Keyshawn Johnson had some shit QB's. Almost feel bad for him. Almost.
 
I <3 Memes said:
Yeah I'm watching it too. Outside of Brad Johnson Keyshawn Johnson had some shit QB's. Almost feel bad for him. Almost.
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I just love hearing Steve Young talk about football. John Elway is just icing on top.

This may be weird as a Falcons fan, but him and John Elway were my two favorite players growing up as a kid. Makes sense considering these two were the height of my childhood:

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I knew the Broncos would crush us in '98, but that Superbowl was an emotional rollercoaster
for 5 minutes
. Also, I didn't know that Jamaal's knees would disappear in 3 months.
 
Thursday
SF @ SD

Sun, Dec 19
KC @ STL
BUF @ MIA
CLE @ CIN
JAC @ IND
HOU @ TEN
WAS @ DAL
PHI @ NYG
ARI @ CAR
DET @ TB
NO @ BAL
ATL @ SEA
NYJ @ PIT
DEN @ OAK
GB @ NE

Mon, Dec 20
CHI @ MIN
 
Striker said:
Or 2009 Eli.

The issue is timing. That's how the offense is built on. Hagan being in the lineup and getting more reps with practice and game experience has been refreshing. I imagine he'll go with Nicks, and hopefully Mario can play as well. Those three plus adding Clayton to the 4th spot won't be so bad - it's been much worse.

I suspect a heavy dosage of Brandon Jacobs Sunday. He hasn't been used much at all the past two weeks despite being a "starter", and the Eagles defense is small. The last meeting they had they ran the ball to the right almost every play if I recall. With Diehl back and healthy, they'll get back into a normal approach.
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I have had issues with my computer so I haven't kept up with BBI. Is Smith that hurt? That would stink.

I really really want them to just ground and pound all day. With Ohara back we can slide Richie out to LG and sit Boothe - get back the original starting five, finally. I want us back to the 2008 form.

On the plus side we've cut down tremendously on penalties and no more Rb fumbles. If Eli gets his act together we're golden.
 
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