NFL Week 15 2010|OT| - Let's All Just Move West!

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Striker said:
Or 2009 Eli.

The issue is timing. That's how the offense is built on. Hagan being in the lineup and getting more reps with practice and game experience has been refreshing. I imagine he'll go with Nicks, and hopefully Mario can play as well. Those three plus adding Clayton to the 4th spot won't be so bad - it's been much worse.
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Mario has been kinda disappointing. I get he's not ready to be a #1, but he hasn't looked good in recent weeks. I hope Clayton/Thomas are ready Sunday...

also from NY Post:
Cofield sacked Jackson and unleashed his infamous Taser Sack Dance on the unsuspecting, freeloading fans who must have been so taken aback at what they were witnessing that they temporarily stopped a chorus of "Let's Go Lions".
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TASER DAAAAAAAAAANNNNNCE!

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Round 2! Playoff chances are gone so I have to look forward to something. Dre can get his record and Arian can get the league rushing title.
 
Talon- said:
I just love hearing Steve Young talk about football. John Elway is just icing on top.

This may be weird as a Falcons fan, but him and John Elway were my two favorite players growing up as a kid. Makes sense considering these two were the height of my childhood:

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I knew the Broncos would crush us in '98, but that Superbowl was an emotional rollercoaster
for 5 minutes
. Also, I didn't know that Jamaal's knees would disappear in 3 months.
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I respect Montana and Young, could never say I liked them. Shit at least you saw Chris Chandler take us to a Superbowl.
 
MechDX said:
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Round 2! Playoff chances are gone so I have to look forward to something. Dre can get his record and Arian can get the league rushing title.
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Isn't it crazy that we have those two HUGE offensive weapons and we still can't be better than 5-8? God, just thinking about it makes me SMH.

Eli looked a little rough but you can chalk it up to the travel. Also, having Nicks and Smith (to the extent that he can play) is great but he just has to get used to them again. Give him a week, I think we see some good play. Its the Eagles game, I think Eli will step it up.

This coming from a huuuuge former-ish Eli hater.
 
TheLegendary said:
He throws picks every game. He's got the most INTs (if not close) in the league for a reason.
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This.

I know I'm supposed to be an Eli apologist and I know I'm supposed to reflexively use the tipped balls and receivers running wrong routes excuses but this is not isolated incidents, it's a trend this season. Actually it's not a trend 13 games into the season, it's status quo. I'd get burned to high holy hell for this on a Giants forum but Eli has been a liability this season. If he took care of the ball like Cassel, Ryan or Brady, who knows where we'd be right now.

Here's what I think about the Giants - if Eli got his head out of his ass, or at least far enough where he could see with one eye, we'd very easily be the best team in the NFC by a wide margin.

Eh, *if* my aunt had a cock and balls she'd be my uncle, so whatever.
 
God smith is fragile this season.

Hopefully Eli picks it up these last games and can get hot into the playoffs.

The Giants playoffs losses is when Eli play bad, there wins is where he plays good, so he is the key.
 
Celsior said:
God smith is fragile this season.

Hopefully Eli picks it up these last games and can get hot into the playoffs.

The Giants playoffs losses is when Eli play bad, there wins is where he plays good, so he is the key.
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He had a pretty good game against the Eagles. The one where AP let up that huge pass to Smith/Celek or whoever was TE.
 
TheLegendary said:
He's got the most INTs (if not close) in the league for a reason.
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It's not just the interceptions, it's the fumbles. The Giants as an offense have turned the ball over 33 times now I believe. Eli is either partially or fully responsible for 25 or so of those. You can subtract 6-7 for the tipped balls, but that's still a significant number.

Wellington said:
If Eli got his head out of his ass, or at least far enough where he could see with one eye
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The positive part is that he can turn it around and we've seen him play at a higher level which is so many of those Giants forum folks will give you shit about saying it. I'm still waiting for that to happen in the latter part of this season....

Wellington said:
Word is Smith has a torn meniscus. FUCK.

Edit: That's from "margi" so it's a good source.
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Shit. Just sit him. If it's not season ending, take the last three games off and hope he can get healthy for the playoffs and do something. I don't think it will happen though.
 
Celsior said:
In 08 playoffs?
He was horrible, let me find the stats


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Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
E. Manning 15/29 169 0 2
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009011101/2008/POST19/eagles@giants/watch#tab:analyze

Yeah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Manning#Playoffs
2006 he was good just 1TD pass though, 2005 and 2008 were crap.
2007 was the superbowl.
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I thought one of 06 or 08 was good, was mistaken.

I think the talent on this team is all world at the moment. Just need Eli to manage the games.
 
Yeah the 2006 game was not his fault, remember the last second field goal. But the other two playoff games were all on him.
He is a good QB I just assume he is just really prone on having bad games, I think he is a good QB but something is just wrong.

Wellington said:
I thought one of 06 or 08 was good, was mistaken.

I think the talent on this team is all world at the moment. Just need Eli to manage the games.
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06 was good, thought he did worse, all we need is last year Eli and this year defense the superbowl will be ours:lol
 
Seda said:
Just found this, maybe old.
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heh
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Wouldve been funnier if the bottom photoshop just stayed as the Texas GM or somebody and Jackson was Lee in a Phillies hat (Im assuming thats who its supposed to be). That way it'd be semi funny and at least sort of make sense.

Then again Id rather invite Big Ben to my sister's wedding than watch a baseball game so I might have the situation or teams involved misconstrued.

Edit: Although I guess the point is that #50 is in fact Lee. Meh. Not funny
 
Celsior said:
God smith is fragile this season.

Hopefully Eli picks it up these last games and can get hot into the playoffs.

The Giants playoffs losses is when Eli play bad, there wins is where he plays good, so he is the key.
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The loss in '06 to PHI he played great. They lost because shitty Will Demps got pooped on by Jeff Garcia.
 
Run the ball Sunday and let Eli throw off of play action.....guy is a turn over machine, With Bradley/Graham out we should be able to run the ball.....
 
Never thought I would hear so many Giants fans bagging on Eli post 08. I used to go to school and live in Mass, with a lot of peeps in my school from NY and I lived in NY for a year. Even went to a Giants game with my friend's season tickets (which are apparently hard to get?). Pre-08 I bagged on Eli allllll the time calling him garbage, a pick machine, basically the bane of the team. Giants fans would begrudgingly admit to the picks while saying that he had his highs and lows like most QB's. In 08 and during the playoff run more and more of them were in the full fledged Eli-camp. While I still retain that the throw to Tyree was a prayer and Eli was basically being Eli, most of them vehemently disagree talking about him extending the play and semi-shrugging off the defender to make that throw. Complete BS, but whatever. Then after that it was history, I moved to go to grad school and and all my NY friends were Eli supporters.

I'm glad we're back to pre-08 days. Back where Eli belongs. I threw NY-gaf a bone with the Eli post but I see Giants-gaf is too smart for that. Can we admit Schaub > Eli? And god, his face after a pick is worse than manning-face. It's like he can't mentally comprehend what he just did.
 
exarkun said:
Never thought I would hear so many Giants fans bagging on Eli post 08. I used to go to school and live in Mass, with a lot of peeps in my school from NY and I lived in NY for a year. Even went to a Giants game with my friend's season tickets (which are apparently hard to get?). Pre-08 I bagged on Eli allllll the time calling him garbage, a pick machine, basically the bane of the team. Giants fans would begrudgingly admit to the picks while saying that he had his highs and lows like most QB's. In 08 and during the playoff run more and more of them were in the full fledged Eli-camp. While I still retain that the throw to Tyree was a prayer and Eli was basically being Eli, most of them vehemently disagree talking about him extending the play and semi-shrugging off the defender to make that throw. Complete BS, but whatever. Then after that it was history, I moved to go to grad school and and all my NY friends were Eli supporters.

I'm glad we're back to pre-08 days. Back where Eli belongs. I threw NY-gaf a bone with the Eli post but I see Giants-gaf is too smart for that. Can we admit Schaub > Eli? And god, his face after a pick is worse than manning-face. It's like he can't mentally comprehend what he just did.
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you're nuts... I should tase you for that:

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exarkun said:
I'm glad we're back to pre-08 days. Back where Eli belongs. I threw NY-gaf a bone with the Eli post but I see Giants-gaf is too smart for that. Can we admit Schaub > Eli? And god, his face after a pick is worse than manning-face. It's like he can't mentally comprehend what he just did.
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It's not near as bad as PHI fans trashed McNabb, but it really boggles my mind why some continue to do so. On another Giants website I frequent, it's worse. Idiots run amuck online. While some of his passes this year have been off the mark at times, people will blame him more than any other person. There's been a rotating seats on the OL, three of the top four wide receivers have been out, and the offense usually begins poor, and that falls squarely on poor gameplanning (Gilbride!). People are still questioning his accuracy despite having the best percentage in his career. In this offense, I'll take 64% any day of the week. It isn't dink and dunk city like it is for boy wonder up north.

I think it was Terry Bradshaw or Jimmy Johnson on FOX halftime show during the MIN/NY game, he mentioned his INT count and brought up guys who are around his range, i.e. Brett Favre and Carson Palmer. Convientently, he left off Drew Brees. Funny how that works.
 
exarkun said:
Never thought I would hear so many Giants fans bagging on Eli post 08. I used to go to school and live in Mass, with a lot of peeps in my school from NY and I lived in NY for a year. Even went to a Giants game with my friend's season tickets (which are apparently hard to get?). Pre-08 I bagged on Eli allllll the time calling him garbage, a pick machine, basically the bane of the team. Giants fans would begrudgingly admit to the picks while saying that he had his highs and lows like most QB's. In 08 and during the playoff run more and more of them were in the full fledged Eli-camp. While I still retain that the throw to Tyree was a prayer and Eli was basically being Eli, most of them vehemently disagree talking about him extending the play and semi-shrugging off the defender to make that throw. Complete BS, but whatever. Then after that it was history, I moved to go to grad school and and all my NY friends were Eli supporters.

I'm glad we're back to pre-08 days. Back where Eli belongs. I threw NY-gaf a bone with the Eli post but I see Giants-gaf is too smart for that. Can we admit Schaub > Eli? And god, his face after a pick is worse than manning-face. It's like he can't mentally comprehend what he just did.
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:lol schaub is a mediocre qb with the best wide receiver in football to bail him out time and time again. Eli isn't that much better, but still, lol. As for the Tyree throw- you have to drive 60 yards to score a TD in a minute or so at that point. Unless you are able to throw a bunch of really accurate sideline passes, you will have to unleash some sort of dragon.

As for Eli, I think a lot of his 09 "improvement" and "decline" this year, can both be linked the same thing- changes in the effectiveness of the WR corps. Late 09 and early this year saw Nicks and Smith both beasting and Manningham being decent, while they've been injured (he was doing fine before then). And, shockingly, his performance his declined with most of his receivers and olineman were missing. He will never be top tier, because of his subpar accuracy on intermediate range throws (and because of his bad decision making), but his arm strength and evasiveness are both near the very top of the league, which makes him a pretty good QB.
 
dschalter said:
:lol schaub is a mediocre qb with the best wide receiver in football to bail him out time and time again. Eli isn't that much better, but still, lol. As for the Tyree throw- you have to drive 60 yards to score a TD in a minute or so at that point. Unless you are able to throw a bunch of really accurate sideline passes, you will have to unleash some sort of dragon.

As for Eli, I think a lot of his 09 "improvement" and "decline" this year, can both be linked the same thing- changes in the effectiveness of the WR corps. Late 09 and early this year saw Nicks and Smith both beasting and Manningham being decent, while they've been injured (he was doing fine before then). And, shockingly, his performance his declined with most of his receivers and olineman were missing. He will never be top tier, because of his subpar accuracy on intermediate range throws (and because of his bad decision making), but his arm strength and evasiveness are both near the very top of the league, which makes him a pretty good QB.
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I'm not going to defend Schaub, b/c he throws so many awful picks and at least twice a game massively underthrows AJ on what should be easy TDs.

But Eli with top of league arm strength? His back foot floaters look as awful as Schaub's. Neither guy is Cutler or Vick where they just laser it around.

Talon- said:
Schaub is accurate as hell. He makes some bone-headed decisions, but he can air it out.
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Schaub has an average at best arm. How many times has he underthrown a wide open AJ? How many back footed INTs does he throw. If he's late on a read, it's a pick. He's accurate and works off timing.
 
I don't see Green Bay beating the Patriots even with Rodgers. Packers are 3-4 on the road, Patriots are 6-0 at home. Rodgers has also played significantly worse on the road. If the game was at Lambeau I'd say 50-50 since the Packers defense is so good, but I dunno. With Matt Flynn and no running game, I wonder what the Packers gameplan would be.
 
Listened to the best segment on morning radio ever. The first part was called "Presidential Funeral Speech or Brett Favre". They basically read off some words from a speech and you had to guess if it was one or the other :lol It then ended with the best Favre interceptions, they played some local radio sports stations calling the Favre game. It was glorious.

Here was one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-0nkoQE-I&feature=player_embedded

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
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