NFL Week 15 2010|OT| - Let's All Just Move West!
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demosthenes
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effzee said:
Don't follow football THAT much, but why would McNabb not be back? Didn't they just sign a 4 year deal w/ him the day Vick blew them out?
Futurevoid
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Just because some of us can see and admit to the reality of his current play (and there are reasons for it as dschalter mentioned), it doesn't mean we suddenly want to run him out of NY or some such nonsense. I simply want him to make better decisions and he's got a couple of years of high level play that says he can do it.exarkun said:
Who has 18 interceptions of his own (only 2 behind Eli). Or Peyton for that matter who has 15 of his own this year and has cost the Colts a game or two.Striker said:
demosthenes said:
Right but that contract is not guaranteed and unlike what was reported, there was only a 3 million bonus. So they basically paid him 3 million, extended him, but can still cut him without any salary cap hit. I guess they extended him in case he and the team turned it around but the team stinks and he has played horribly. I don't blame it all on him but even when he has chances to shine he just looks scared and lacks all confidence. Plus I doubt he wants to be back after being benched for the # of fake reasons they made up and then weekly hearing that Rex Grossman of all people might be chosen over him. And I doubt Shanahan wants him back.
Futurevoid
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Schwartz with the NY post is saying that Mario Manningham has not been ruled out this weekend against the Eagles.
Wellington
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exarkun said:
I'm going to try and be nice about this - the above statements make me wonder if you are a joke poster.
Don't get caught up with stats and fantasy value. I'd take Eli in any situation over Matt Schaub. I question sometimes whether Jason Campbell is more effective for the Raiders than Schaub is for the Texans... You guys are touting that 62.6% (or whatever percentage it is) completion ratio, but here are some stats to be considered:
2010
Eli, 282 completions, 51 to RBs
Schaub, 289 completions, 67 to RBs.
2009
Eli, 317 completions, 47 to RBs
Schaub, 396 completions, 101 to RBs.
So Eli who has had guys literally come off of their couch or up from another inferior league to play with him (Derek Hagan, Michael Clayton, Devin Thomas), has relied less on his 'backs in the passing game than Schaub.
Eli who had unproven guys going into last season, first time starter Steve Smith, rookie Hakeem Nicks, and second year man who barely saw the field Mario Manningham, passed to his 'backs less than half of the time that Schaub did. (Both had no running game)
Schaub has an all-world WR in AJ, a solid guy in Walter, and Daniels, when healthy, is a top 4 receiving TE.
Schaub *IS* fucking captain checkdown. 62.6 completion percentage my ass. The guy does not go downfield, and when he does he is wildly inaccurate. Reason he looked so awesome last year is that Slaton, Moats, and AJ were all YAC-monsters. I've seen this in the four or so Texan games I get per year, I have to wonder if you even watch your team.
Dropped balls. :lol RBs drop some but not that many from fucking 3 yards away.
I want to see you spin that.
Wellington
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...? Receiving stats are readily available on any sports site.levious said:
oh, so you totaled them yourself? Maybe I'm confused.
But you can't really label them all equally right? Wouldn't take into account Slaton lined up wide for instance. Can't really call them all check downs. But your point is clear.
But you can't really label them all equally right? Wouldn't take into account Slaton lined up wide for instance. Can't really call them all check downs. But your point is clear.
DeaconKnowledge
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*Crosses fingers that somebody misinterprets these numbers*
Wellington
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OK.levious said:
How many times do you think Slaton was lined up wide last year? I do remember seeing it a few times but it does not help my argument. What percentage of his 44 receptions were from being split out? What about the other 57 receptions from 'backs? (Ten more than 'backs caught in '09 for the Giants, by the way)
Also, Steve Smith - NYG done for the year. Just heard it on FAN.
Sounds ridiculous to play the Monday night game at the University of Minnesota. The stadium isn't prepared for not only a nfl game, but a winter game. Stadium has been shut down since the end of the college season and is full of snow. There are no heaters on the field to keep it from getting slick. Weather will be 9 degrees on Monday night, players will be sliding around. Should move this game to Indy but it sounds like the NFL wants to keep the game in Minnesota, even if the playing conditions are terrible.
Futurevoid
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Well we knew the news wasn't going to be good.
Manningham will likely be limited this week but his hip injury is not considered to be serious.
Manningham will likely be limited this week but his hip injury is not considered to be serious.
Wellington said:OK.
How many times do you think Slaton was lined up wide last year? I do remember seeing it a few times but it does not help my argument. What percentage of his 44 receptions were from being split out? What about the other 57 receptions from 'backs? (Ten more than 'backs caught in '09 for the Giants, by the way)
Also, Steve Smith - NYG done for the year. Just heard it on FAN.
also what about flat routes to a TE? I said your point is still clear, just don't normally like getting caught up too much in numbers.
Mrbob said:
more like awesome
Wellington
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If my computer wasn't down with motherboard issues, I'd go through each of the 2009 Texans games and tally up all of the receptions for guys out of the backfield versus those for the Giants. (NFL Game Rewind is excellent) I will let you know.levious said:
Don't ask me if I am crazy enough to do this, we both know the answer
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Fox318 said:
That's not how the MVP works and you know it.
Wellington
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Just Foster is better than him as an RB this season.dschalter said:
I think it should be either Peyton or Foster with Brady as MVP.
If you watch him, you can tell he hits receivers on a dime on those short and intermediate routes. He doesn't have a great arm, but it's much improved from his noodle arm days back in Atlanta.dschalter said:
Arm strength is criminally overrated anyways. Matt and Drew don't have Stafford or Culter type arms, but they can hit those outs on a frozen rope.
As a Texans fan...
Wellie is 100% right.
Schaub has Carr-itis for some reason, I don't get it. He's getting pressured, but not THAT much. I swear I wish I could find stats for distance of attempted passes per game in comparison against other teams in the league.
I guarantee we have a very small amount of "middle ground" (to me, approx: 15-25 yard) passes.
All of Schaub's passes are either 6 yards down field, or a 33 yard noodle arm bomb to Andre who has to break stride, and get the ball, then keep going again
Wellie is 100% right.
Schaub has Carr-itis for some reason, I don't get it. He's getting pressured, but not THAT much. I swear I wish I could find stats for distance of attempted passes per game in comparison against other teams in the league.
I guarantee we have a very small amount of "middle ground" (to me, approx: 15-25 yard) passes.
All of Schaub's passes are either 6 yards down field, or a 33 yard noodle arm bomb to Andre who has to break stride, and get the ball, then keep going again
Wellington
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I would have a problem with it. CAR Smith is a downgrade from NYG Smith.Gigglepoo said:
Mig: Thanks!
That being said... I wouldn't say Eli is a huge improvement :lol
But then again, I think a lot of it is playcalling.
Even last year, he put up huge yards cause of Mig-Playing-Madden-like bombs where Kevin Walter or Owen Daniels were wide the fuck open and got even more YAC.
I don't think he's a bad quarterback. I think he's being made to look worse than he is by his coaching staff, although the picks are a Schaub staple. Last year he had quite a few pick 6 I think, not to mention other INTs on 5 yard outs. I wish I had the patience to look through game video like Wellie, cause I am sure I could come up with a bunch of Schaub INTs in 08 and 09 that look like the exact same play. 5 yard out to Andre, DB steps in front of the ball and if Andre doesn't catch him, he's going to the house.
But then again, I think a lot of it is playcalling.
Even last year, he put up huge yards cause of Mig-Playing-Madden-like bombs where Kevin Walter or Owen Daniels were wide the fuck open and got even more YAC.
I don't think he's a bad quarterback. I think he's being made to look worse than he is by his coaching staff, although the picks are a Schaub staple. Last year he had quite a few pick 6 I think, not to mention other INTs on 5 yard outs. I wish I had the patience to look through game video like Wellie, cause I am sure I could come up with a bunch of Schaub INTs in 08 and 09 that look like the exact same play. 5 yard out to Andre, DB steps in front of the ball and if Andre doesn't catch him, he's going to the house.
bionic77 said:According to STATS the Steelers o-line is ranked 29th...
That is even worse when you consider that the line played well early before injuries. Wonder who is ranked worse? We are not winning a SB with an o line that bad without a ton of breaks...
who's laughing now, offensive line!\
edit: this playcalling stuff is annoying. it is annoying when giants fans complain about gilbride. it is annoying when texans fans complain about kubiak. and it is beyond annoying when jets fans complain about schottenheimer. in each case, you have a QB with major issues that would be serious with any coaching staff, yet blame so often gets placed on the OC or HC.
Wellington
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Yeah right. Eli would be the best QB Steve Smith (CAR) would ever have a chance to play with. No way he would hurt his feelings.levious said:
captmcblack
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bionic77 said:According to STATS the Steelers o-line is ranked 29th...
That is even worse when you consider that the line played well early before injuries. Wonder who is ranked worse? We are not winning a SB with an o line that bad without a ton of breaks...
Why couldn't your d-line be shit like that?
The o-line being shit doesn't matter if you guys can score points regardless
DeaconKnowledge
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captmcblack said:Why couldn't your d-line be shit like that?
The o-line being shit doesn't matter if you guys can score points regardless
The Steelers have only scored 1 offensive TD in 11 quarters (against the Ravens).
The problem with the line is injuries. Plain and simple. We lost our starting RT to IR before the season even started, and our LT to IR like 5 games in. Our Replacement Tackle is green as hell, and his shittiness is negative impacting the guard Kemoeatu next to him. Right guard is constantly rotating; we started out with Trai Essex and have now landed on Ramon Foster.
One thing an o-line needs to be consistently good is routine. The guys need to know each other and what the other is capable of doing and what their assignments are. We've had different starting lines for about 3/4ths of the games we've played this season.
Wellington
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Non-Giants note but I hope that both the Jets and the Steelers come out fired up for this game. I was very disappointed in what should have been the game of the year in the MNF Jets @ Pats game.
The Jets @ Steelers game has the potential to be a classic. I want to see a game like the '08 matchup of Giants @ Steelers where it was two teams just beating the shit out of each other. Still one of the best games I've ever seen.
The Jets @ Steelers game has the potential to be a classic. I want to see a game like the '08 matchup of Giants @ Steelers where it was two teams just beating the shit out of each other. Still one of the best games I've ever seen.
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Wellington said:
I don't have very high hopes for Jets-Steelers because the Steelers offense has been anemic and they have to play the Jets and conversely Sanchize plays the Steelers defense.
If both teams play like they have been the past few games, it'll be a low scoring game :\
Hopefully some decent defensive plays though and not a bunch of 3 and outs in a punt-athon.
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wienke said:
That right there is what the game will be. The key factor to the game is who will win the turnover battle, having a feeling the only points coming in this game will be when someone recovers a turnover in field goal range. :lol
Futurevoid
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Shawn Andrews is returning to practice this week. He'll be limited but good news!
Wellington
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Well the problem here is you think that the Jets D is actually all that good.wienke said:
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TheBranca18 said:
Gameplan: bring some lube, bend over and take it.
Im usually extremely positive (but realistic) about our team; last week I even predicted a win against the Pats. No way that happens now. Rodgers had arguably his worst game coming off his last concussion. Even if he comes back he'll be off. We couldn't score a single touchdown against the Lions. The Pats D isn't elite but as usual Belichick has worked his magic and made it all work. Only way we have a chance of winning is if they somehow revert to their early season performance.
Our defense will keep us in the game only if Matthews (and crew..I guess) can have another 3+ sack game. Only way to throw Brady off is constant disruption. He'll beat the most elite secondary in the world if he has time to throw. But we're not going to get that pressure imo. Jenkins our second best pass rusher is out for at least 2 more games. We're on our THIRD OLB opposite Clay now. Our first LOLB was a 7th round draft pick, the second was an undrafted free agent...so you know how far we've already fallen. I don't even know what kind of street corner Ted Thompson found Walden at. Somehow Dom Capers has made it all work...but it's not going to be enough to stop Brady.
Buckethead
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Dear God just let this shitty week end
storybook77
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levious said:
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I think he got split out wide frequently last year. Tally them up i would be interested to see and i know your crazy enough to do it. But also look for screens, the Texans were an amazing screen team last year which helped because they had 0 running game. Whats funny is defenses would routinely bite on play action fakes despite the Texans being one of the worst rushing teams last year.Wellington said:OK.
How many times do you think Slaton was lined up wide last year? I do remember seeing it a few times but it does not help my argument. What percentage of his 44 receptions were from being split out? What about the other 57 receptions from 'backs? (Ten more than 'backs caught in '09 for the Giants, by the way)
Also, Steve Smith - NYG done for the year. Just heard it on FAN.
Its amazing when Schaub had no running game he played significantly better last year, this year he has the leading rusher and he's been much worse.
Also i think the Texans receivers were awesome last year with like less than 10 drops all season. This year, well they had 6 drops in the first half against the Ravens.
Anyone that says Schaub > Eli isn't thinking clearly.
Schaub holds the ball too damn long, especially on deep throws, he's got a noodle-ish(i wouldnt say he's chad pennington noodle) arm and if he would throw it earlier AJ wouldn't have to stop to catch the ball.
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Case said:
This. Jets D is good but not dominant, if it played to its potential for 4 quarters who knows but right not that isn't happening.
And yet the fans demanded the blood of the O-line coach last year . . . and they're now worse. Guy on the radio here (who is son of fired coach so mountain of salt) says Arians should have been fired but he's got protection in front office.
Schaub: I think just one person said Schaub is better than Eli. It's not close, but a couple things about Wellington's comments. Backs were shit last year (last in rushing I beleive) It was all passing. Daniels was hurt in week 8, and has been hurt most of this year. Walter is not solid. He's a below average #2, and Daniels' backups are below average as well.
I'm not in any way trying to refute the notion that Eli isn't way better than Schaub, I'm just trying to say that league-wide, there's this perception that the Texans have better offensive talent than they really do. AJ and Foster are great, Schaub is adequate, but they need to upgrade WRs and TEs
They've whiffed on so many draft picks. Firing Kubiak but keeping the GM isn't solving the problem.
bionic77 said:According to STATS the Steelers o-line is ranked 29th...
That is even worse when you consider that the line played well early before injuries. Wonder who is ranked worse? We are not winning a SB with an o line that bad without a ton of breaks...
Schaub: I think just one person said Schaub is better than Eli. It's not close, but a couple things about Wellington's comments. Backs were shit last year (last in rushing I beleive) It was all passing. Daniels was hurt in week 8, and has been hurt most of this year. Walter is not solid. He's a below average #2, and Daniels' backups are below average as well.
I'm not in any way trying to refute the notion that Eli isn't way better than Schaub, I'm just trying to say that league-wide, there's this perception that the Texans have better offensive talent than they really do. AJ and Foster are great, Schaub is adequate, but they need to upgrade WRs and TEs
They've whiffed on so many draft picks. Firing Kubiak but keeping the GM isn't solving the problem.
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