bionic77 said:You know Big Ben's numbers have been pretty good so far this season and no one is talking about him.
100+ qb rating.
63% completion percentage.
13 TDs to only 5 INTs. On pace for 35 TDs, 11 INTs, and 3500 yards. Those would be pro bowl numbers most years, but Ben might not get in because he plays in the AFC.
I could argue that the only person with substantially better numbers than Big Ben to this point is the son of Satan. And Ben is doing it with very shoddy offensive line play.
Brady first round. Roethlisberger in like the 11th or later round, thats how i got both.maynerd said:Yup I tried to pick him up on waivers in a fantasy league but someone snatched him before be due to their waiver rank.![]()
Ben is a shitty QB when his team asks him to win the game, though.bionic77 said:You know Big Ben's numbers have been pretty good so far this season and no one is talking about him.
100+ qb rating.
63% completion percentage.
13 TDs to only 5 INTs. On pace for 35 TDs, 11 INTs, and 3500 yards. Those would be pro bowl numbers most years, but Ben might not get in because he plays in the AFC.
I could argue that the only person with substantially better numbers than Big Ben to this point is the son of Satan. And Ben is doing it with very shoddy offensive line play.
The NFL is changing the way it drafts college players with an eye on television.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday at the league's annual fall meeting that the first two rounds will be conducted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 and the final five rounds on Sunday, April 27. In years past, the first three rounds were held on Saturday and the final four on Sunday.
Also, the time for each pick has been reduced from 15 minutes in the first round to 10 minutes, and from 10 minutes in the second round to seven.
"I've been in favor of shortening the rounds for years," Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay said. "Fifteen minutes in the first round in my mind is a long time for us to wait to pick a player."
That will move the draft along at a faster clip and make it more presentable for its new TV slot. The start of the draft has been pushed back from 11 a.m. CST Saturday until 2 p.m., so some choice selections will wind up in prime time.
He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.Triumph said:Ben is a shitty QB when his team asks him to win the game, though.
bionic77 said:He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.
He led the Steelers back from 14 against the Broncos on Sunday Night.
He doesn't play defense and he doesn't block, but most qbs don't.
soulja224466 said:granted im not a huge college fan, but i havent been really impressed with tebow. how will he go from that option running shit into a real nfl offense. he doesnt seem terribly accurate either.
Iceman said:having watched nearly every gator game played this year I can say this is false. He can throw some ducks but even those are within a couple feet of a receiver's hands. Generally, he throws a pretty ball that is spot on and leads receivers.
what he doesn't do is throw it very hard consistently in the short and intermediate routes. I think he definitely has to throw a harder ball if he wants to be taken seriously as an nfl prospect. however... through 7 games:
completions 115 (66th)
attempts 174 (86th)
yards 1711 (42nd)
pct 66.1 (17th)
yards/att 9.83 (2nd)
long 66
td 17 (15th)
int 3 (120th)
sacks 5 (120th)
qb rating 177.48 (1st)
And add to that 578 rushing yards at a 4.6 average and 10 rushing TDs.
These stats would be difficult for an nfl team to ignore. Interesting reverse racism kind of question: if Tim Tebow was black wouldn't he be considered the next Vince Young?
Vince Young 2005 through 13 games.
completions 212
attempts 325
yards 3036
pct 65.2
yards/att 9.3
long 75
td 26
int 10
sacks 13
qb rating 163.9
and 1050 yards, 6.5 average and 12 rushing TDs
Tebow is on pace to surpass all of these numbers except for rushing average and (to stir up some controversy) in a more difficult conference.
The TEAM has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.bionic77 said:He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.
He led the Steelers back from 14 against the Broncos on Sunday Night.
He doesn't play defense and he doesn't block, but most qbs don't.
topsyturvy said:nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia
I thought it was a joke at first, but then I remembered you're a Redskin fan sometimes.Ninja Scooter said:Jason Campbell is better than all of them except maybe Romo.
i know my list is debatable, but what the fuck. :lolNinja Scooter said:Jason Campbell is better than all of them except maybe Romo.
woodchuck said:yeah. all i see from tebow are long bombs, wr screens, a bullshit jump pass, or he runs up the middle.
i hate the spread offense. he's an amazing college qb but that doesn't always translate to the nfl.
Well half of those losses came last year when he was playing without a face. Last year wasn't about the stats, the rings, or the wins. Ben just wanted to prove once and for all that he is the toughest qb of all time.Triumph said:The TEAM has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.
When Ben throws 30 times or more, the Steelers are like 3-10. He's a game manager, nothing more.
Well they were losing by 14 at the half. He proceeded to throw for 3 TDs and no INTs in the second half and tied the game before the Steelers defense made Jay Cutler look like a young John Elway.Gigglepoo said:You call that a comeback? He scored with over a minute to go! He was a bum and was the unquestioned goat for the week. What a pompous ass.
Seriously Ninja is the worst kind of fairweather fan, the kind that roots for Tom Brady over their supposed team (looking at you too Triumph).Rorschach said:I thought it was a joke at first, but then I remembered you're a Redskin fan sometimes.
NBC Universal announced 150 hours of green-themed programming across all of its cable and broadcast networks as part of its "Green is Universal" campaign starting Nov. 4.
"The environment has become both a corporate and cultural issue," said CEO Jeff Zucker in a statement. "As a leading media and entertainment company, NBC Universal has a responsibility, both in our own operations and driving awareness. Green is good for the world and good for the bottom line."
NBC Sports is kicking off the week with Bob Costas integrating green themes into the telecast of the "Sunday Night Football" matchup between the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles.
Ben Roethlisberger?bionic77 said:You know Big Ben's numbers have been pretty good so far this season and no one is talking about him.
100+ qb rating.
63% completion percentage.
13 TDs to only 5 INTs. On pace for 35 TDs, 11 INTs, and 3500 yards. Those would be pro bowl numbers most years, but Ben might not get in because he plays in the AFC.
I could argue that the only person with substantially better numbers than Big Ben to this point is the son of Satan. And Ben is doing it with very shoddy offensive line play.
tmdorsey said:I want the same thing, but how accurate do you think he's going to be when he's under pressure or flushed out of the pocket??
Wellington said:I don't think Brian Brohm is even first round talent the way he is playing...
whytemyke said:so shouldn't atl draft jake long from michigan? beat out joe thomas last year for big 10 OL player of the year.
My mistake, there are actually only 5 qbs who play in this league. Two Mannings, Dark Lord, Slangin, and Romo.whytemyke said:Ben Roethlisberger?
That name sounds familiar... I thought he was an AFC QB... but that's Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.
You mean to tell me there's MORE QBs in this land called "AFC"? Hm. Disturbing. I feel a tremor in the force.
Enron said:Tebow is a product of the system, though. I wonder what he would look like in a pro-style offense, not this gimmick spread option. He'd probably still be pretty good, but not anywhere near what we see every saturday. I hear he is banged up this week though. I hope he is. Go Dawgs ;_;
It's ok. At least I'm not the only one imagining it... for a second I thought I was rooting for Kane to lead my team to the playoffs until I remembered that there is no NFC North.bionic77 said:My mistake, there are actually only 5 qbs who play in this league. Two Mannings, Dark Lord, Slangin, and Romo.
For some reason I was confused and thought there were 32 teams in this league for a second. I am sorry ESPN, I had forgotten all that you had taught me.
Tamanon said:Yup, look how Alex Smith has turned out. Same college coach, same system, less physical talent than Tebow.
woodchuck said:I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic and have been drinking the FMT kool-aid.
Rorschach said:I thought it was a joke at first, but then I remembered you're a Redskin fan sometimes.
topsyturvy said:nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia
No sir. NO SIR.Ninja Scooter said:im ALWAYS a redskin fan, i just have love for Thomas Brady. Is that so wrong?
Triumph said:No sir. NO SIR.
Also, how long do you have to wear that asinine avatar?
"losing a game" "tough game" when?Wellington said:How come you aren't around when the Cowboys are losing or trailing to opponents or have a tough game?
You guys probably would have lost if Childress wasn't having a Brokeback Mountain relationship with Chester Taylor. HE JUST CAN'T QUIT HIM.Doubledex said:"losing a game" "tough game" when?
They lost ONE game (me = at work) they even had a lead during it
Talk all you want. The fact remains: once a Cowboys-fan, forever a Cowboys-fan
Deal with it! ;-)
edit:
Vikings-game a tough game? lol what? They dominated them! Only the fumbles slowed them down. It was an easy win![]()
Tamanon said:Nope, I think Alex Smith has been pretty much garbage. But then again, it could be the offensive coordinator.
AFC signal callers are thin if rivers is in your top 5.topsyturvy said:speaking of qbs, in a order of 1-5, were would you place the best qb in both conferences?
afc:
1. tom brady / overrated, numbers isn't all him, to bad the record books will read it that way.
2. peyton manning
3. roflburgler
4. derrek anderson / underrated
5. phillip rivers
nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia
Are you asking me to bet on the Pats?Ninja Scooter said:the rest of the season. Unless Bionic wants to go double or nothing on this weeks game, i'll prove my fandom and take the Skins over the Pats.
Ninja Scooter said:im ALWAYS a redskin fan, i just have love for Thomas Brady. Is that so wrong?
Not his OL fault he kept holding onto the ball. Not his OL's fault Ben threw to defenders.bionic77 said:He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.
He led the Steelers back from 14 against the Broncos on Sunday Night.
He doesn't play defense and he doesn't block, but most qbs don't.
LiveWire said:Yes. WTF
Hunter D said:AFC signal callers are thin if rivers is in your top 5.
And the two picks he threw against Connecticut had nothing to do with a loss eh? Interesting. I'd think 21-17 means the D was at least passable as well.storybook77 said:It's his fault because his defense is shitty? Two of his best games were in games that they lost because their defense is non-existant.
yacobod said:in 4 starts griese is averaging a little over 300 yards a game, the only person w/more yards passing per game is the dark lord himself
griese has been a revelation for bears fans, probably the best quarterback play i've seen for the bears since jim miller in 2001
those are practically the only picks Brohm has thrown all year. he's the #1 QB prospect because he's been lighting people up for years, although Woodson is a close second.Wellington said:And the two picks he threw against Connecticut had nothing to do with a loss eh? Interesting. I'd think 21-17 means the D was at least passable as well.
Triumph said:The TEAM has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.
When Ben throws 30 times or more, the Steelers are like 3-10. He's a game manager, nothing more.
He's thrown a lot of picks, but for christ's sake, he's played really really well this year. Announcers love to slob his knob, and as a huge Packer/Favre homer as I have been for the last like 20 years, it drives me nuts (especially since it runs counter to his personality), too. But he's not overrated. Also, he's the only offense the Packers have. Our running game is laughably bad. Our only hope is if Sticky Ricky gets reinstated, released by the Lolphins, and picked up by the Packers.topsyturvy said:nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia
Gigglepoo said:What about Grossman's first four starts last season?
Grossman's first four starts in 2006:
78/125 (62.4%) 1061 yards 8 TDs 3 INTs
Griese:
102/163 (62.6%) 1203 yards 8 TDs 6 INTs
brett farve is awesome, the tube just over exaggerate things a little.Lambtron said:He's thrown a lot of picks, but for christ's sake, he's played really really well this year. Announcers love to slob his knob, and as a huge Packer/Favre homer as I have been for the last like 20 years, it drives me nuts (especially since it runs counter to his personality), too. But he's not overrated. Also, he's the only offense the Packers have. Our running game is laughably bad. Our only hope is if Sticky Ricky gets reinstated, released by the Lolphins, and picked up by the Packers.
I still think they'll finish about 11-5 and get a first round bye.