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[Enron]

Speaking of Falcons, Grady Jackson GTFO. CUT.

 

[bionic77]

You know Big Ben's numbers have been pretty good so far this season and no one is talking about him.

100+ qb rating.

63% completion percentage.

13 TDs to only 5 INTs. On pace for 35 TDs, 11 INTs, and 3500 yards. Those would be pro bowl numbers most years, but Ben might not get in because he plays in the AFC.

I could argue that the only person with substantially better numbers than Big Ben to this point is the son of Satan. And Ben is doing it with very shoddy offensive line play.

 

[maynerd]

You know Big Ben's numbers have been pretty good so far this season and no one is talking about him.

100+ qb rating.

63% completion percentage.

13 TDs to only 5 INTs. On pace for 35 TDs, 11 INTs, and 3500 yards. Those would be pro bowl numbers most years, but Ben might not get in because he plays in the AFC.

I could argue that the only person with substantially better numbers than Big Ben to this point is the son of Satan. And Ben is doing it with very shoddy offensive line play.

Yup I tried to pick him up on waivers in a fantasy league but someone snatched him before be due to their waiver rank.

 

[captive]

Yup I tried to pick him up on waivers in a fantasy league but someone snatched him before be due to their waiver rank.

Brady first round. Roethlisberger in like the 11th or later round, thats how i got both.

 

[Triumph]

You know Big Ben's numbers have been pretty good so far this season and no one is talking about him.

100+ qb rating.

63% completion percentage.

13 TDs to only 5 INTs. On pace for 35 TDs, 11 INTs, and 3500 yards. Those would be pro bowl numbers most years, but Ben might not get in because he plays in the AFC.

I could argue that the only person with substantially better numbers than Big Ben to this point is the son of Satan. And Ben is doing it with very shoddy offensive line play.

Ben is a shitty QB when his team asks him to win the game, though.

 

[Ripclawe]

wooo
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...stories/102407dnsponflmeetings.19c2b50b0.html

The NFL is changing the way it drafts college players with an eye on television.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday at the league's annual fall meeting that the first two rounds will be conducted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 and the final five rounds on Sunday, April 27. In years past, the first three rounds were held on Saturday and the final four on Sunday.

Also, the time for each pick has been reduced from 15 minutes in the first round to 10 minutes, and from 10 minutes in the second round to seven.

"I've been in favor of shortening the rounds for years," Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay said. "Fifteen minutes in the first round in my mind is a long time for us to wait to pick a player."

That will move the draft along at a faster clip – and make it more presentable for its new TV slot. The start of the draft has been pushed back from 11 a.m. CST Saturday until 2 p.m., so some choice selections will wind up in prime time.

 

[bionic77]

Ben is a shitty QB when his team asks him to win the game, though.

He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.

He led the Steelers back from 14 against the Broncos on Sunday Night.

He doesn't play defense and he doesn't block, but most qbs don't.

 

[Gigglepoo]

He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.

He led the Steelers back from 14 against the Broncos on Sunday Night.

He doesn't play defense and he doesn't block, but most qbs don't.

You call that a comeback? He scored with over a minute to go! He was a bum and was the unquestioned goat for the week. What a pompous ass.

 

[Iceman]

granted im not a huge college fan, but i havent been really impressed with tebow. how will he go from that option running shit into a real nfl offense. he doesnt seem terribly accurate either.

having watched nearly every gator game played this year I can say this is false. He can throw some ducks but even those are within a couple feet of a receiver's hands. Generally, he throws a pretty ball that is spot on and leads receivers.

what he doesn't do is throw it very hard consistently in the short and intermediate routes. I think he definitely has to throw a harder ball if he wants to be taken seriously as an nfl prospect. however... through 7 games:

completions 115 (66th)
attempts 174 (86th)
yards 1711 (42nd)
pct 66.1 (17th)
yards/att 9.83 (2nd)
long 66
td 17 (15th)
int 3 (120th)
sacks 5 (120th)
qb rating 177.48 (1st)

And add to that 578 rushing yards at a 4.6 average and 10 rushing TDs.

These stats would be difficult for an nfl team to ignore. Interesting reverse racism kind of question: if Tim Tebow was black wouldn't he be considered the next Vince Young?

Vince Young 2005 through 13 games.
completions 212
attempts 325
yards 3036
pct 65.2
yards/att 9.3
long 75
td 26
int 10
sacks 13
qb rating 163.9

and 1050 yards, 6.5 average and 12 rushing TDs

Tebow is on pace to surpass all of these numbers except for rushing average and (to stir up some controversy) in a more difficult conference.

 

[Enron]

having watched nearly every gator game played this year I can say this is false. He can throw some ducks but even those are within a couple feet of a receiver's hands. Generally, he throws a pretty ball that is spot on and leads receivers.

what he doesn't do is throw it very hard consistently in the short and intermediate routes. I think he definitely has to throw a harder ball if he wants to be taken seriously as an nfl prospect. however... through 7 games:

completions 115 (66th)
attempts 174 (86th)
yards 1711 (42nd)
pct 66.1 (17th)
yards/att 9.83 (2nd)
long 66
td 17 (15th)
int 3 (120th)
sacks 5 (120th)
qb rating 177.48 (1st)

And add to that 578 rushing yards at a 4.6 average and 10 rushing TDs.

These stats would be difficult for an nfl team to ignore. Interesting reverse racism kind of question: if Tim Tebow was black wouldn't he be considered the next Vince Young?

Vince Young 2005 through 13 games.
completions 212
attempts 325
yards 3036
pct 65.2
yards/att 9.3
long 75
td 26
int 10
sacks 13
qb rating 163.9

and 1050 yards, 6.5 average and 12 rushing TDs

Tebow is on pace to surpass all of these numbers except for rushing average and (to stir up some controversy) in a more difficult conference.

Tebow is a product of the system, though. I wonder what he would look like in a pro-style offense, not this gimmick spread option. He'd probably still be pretty good, but not anywhere near what we see every saturday. I hear he is banged up this week though. I hope he is. Go Dawgs ;_;

 

[Triumph]

He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.

He led the Steelers back from 14 against the Broncos on Sunday Night.

He doesn't play defense and he doesn't block, but most qbs don't.

The TEAM has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.

When Ben throws 30 times or more, the Steelers are like 3-10. He's a game manager, nothing more.

 

[topsyturvy]

speaking of qbs, in a order of 1-5, were would you place the best qb in both conferences?

afc:

1. tom brady / overrated, numbers isn't all him, to bad the record books will read it that way.
2. peyton manning
3. roflburgler
4. derrek anderson / underrated
5. phillip rivers

nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia

 

[Ninja Scooter]

nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia

Jason Campbell is better than all of them except maybe Romo.

 

[Rorschach]

Jason Campbell is better than all of them except maybe Romo.

I thought it was a joke at first, but then I remembered you're a Redskin fan sometimes.

 

[topsyturvy]

Jason Campbell is better than all of them except maybe Romo.

i know my list is debatable, but what the fuck. :lol

 

[DMczaf]

JGar is #1 in your programs and #1 in your hearts.

 

[Tamanon]

yeah. all i see from tebow are long bombs, wr screens, a bullshit jump pass, or he runs up the middle.

i hate the spread offense. he's an amazing college qb but that doesn't always translate to the nfl.

Yup, look how Alex Smith has turned out. Same college coach, same system, less physical talent than Tebow.

 

[bionic77]

The TEAM has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.

When Ben throws 30 times or more, the Steelers are like 3-10. He's a game manager, nothing more.

Well half of those losses came last year when he was playing without a face. Last year wasn't about the stats, the rings, or the wins. Ben just wanted to prove once and for all that he is the toughest qb of all time.

Mission accomplished.

You call that a comeback? He scored with over a minute to go! He was a bum and was the unquestioned goat for the week. What a pompous ass.

Well they were losing by 14 at the half. He proceeded to throw for 3 TDs and no INTs in the second half and tied the game before the Steelers defense made Jay Cutler look like a young John Elway.

The Steelers were losing and they came back on the strength of Ben's arm.

I thought it was a joke at first, but then I remembered you're a Redskin fan sometimes.

Seriously Ninja is the worst kind of fairweather fan, the kind that roots for Tom Brady over their supposed team (looking at you too Triumph).

In the future this will be a jailable offense.

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117974570.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&nid=2562

NBC Universal announced 150 hours of green-themed programming across all of its cable and broadcast networks as part of its "Green is Universal" campaign starting Nov. 4.

"The environment has become both a corporate and cultural issue," said CEO Jeff Zucker in a statement. "As a leading media and entertainment company, NBC Universal has a responsibility, both in our own operations and driving awareness. Green is good for the world and good for the bottom line."

NBC Sports is kicking off the week with Bob Costas integrating green themes into the telecast of the "Sunday Night Football" matchup between the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles.

oh boy...

 

[whytemyke]

You know Big Ben's numbers have been pretty good so far this season and no one is talking about him.

100+ qb rating.

63% completion percentage.

13 TDs to only 5 INTs. On pace for 35 TDs, 11 INTs, and 3500 yards. Those would be pro bowl numbers most years, but Ben might not get in because he plays in the AFC.

I could argue that the only person with substantially better numbers than Big Ben to this point is the son of Satan. And Ben is doing it with very shoddy offensive line play.

Ben Roethlisberger?

That name sounds familiar... I thought he was an AFC QB... but that's Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

You mean to tell me there's MORE QBs in this land called "AFC"? Hm. Disturbing. I feel a tremor in the force.

 

[storybook77]

I want the same thing, but how accurate do you think he's going to be when he's under pressure or flushed out of the pocket??

That's the thing, when Petrino gets the kind of lineman he wants then Brohm will be just fine. If they want to go out and get a mobile QB in the free agent market as a band aid until then, that's fine with me.

 

[whytemyke]

so shouldn't atl draft jake long from michigan? beat out joe thomas last year for big 10 OL player of the year.

 

[storybook77]

I don't think Brian Brohm is even first round talent the way he is playing...

It's his fault because his defense is shitty? Two of his best games were in games that they lost because their defense is non-existant.

 

[storybook77]

so shouldn't atl draft jake long from michigan? beat out joe thomas last year for big 10 OL player of the year.

Problem is that we don't need just one, we need almost the whole line replaced. :lol

 

[bionic77]

Ben Roethlisberger?

That name sounds familiar... I thought he was an AFC QB... but that's Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

You mean to tell me there's MORE QBs in this land called "AFC"? Hm. Disturbing. I feel a tremor in the force.

My mistake, there are actually only 5 qbs who play in this league. Two Mannings, Dark Lord, Slangin, and Romo.

For some reason I was confused and thought there were 32 teams in this league for a second. I am sorry ESPN, I had forgotten all that you had taught me.

 

[tmdorsey]

Tebow is a product of the system, though. I wonder what he would look like in a pro-style offense, not this gimmick spread option. He'd probably still be pretty good, but not anywhere near what we see every saturday. I hear he is banged up this week though. I hope he is. Go Dawgs ;_;

See that's what scares me about Brohm. That he may just be a system QB who won't translate well to the pro game.

 

[whytemyke]

My mistake, there are actually only 5 qbs who play in this league. Two Mannings, Dark Lord, Slangin, and Romo.

For some reason I was confused and thought there were 32 teams in this league for a second. I am sorry ESPN, I had forgotten all that you had taught me.

It's ok. At least I'm not the only one imagining it... for a second I thought I was rooting for Kane to lead my team to the playoffs until I remembered that there is no NFC North.

 

[woodchuck]

Yup, look how Alex Smith has turned out. Same college coach, same system, less physical talent than Tebow.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic and have been drinking the FMT kool-aid.

 

[Tamanon]

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic and have been drinking the FMT kool-aid.

Nope, I think Alex Smith has been pretty much garbage. But then again, it could be the offensive coordinator.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I thought it was a joke at first, but then I remembered you're a Redskin fan sometimes.

im ALWAYS a redskin fan, i just have love for Thomas Brady. Is that so wrong?

 

[yacobod]

nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia

in 4 starts griese is averaging a little over 300 yards a game, the only person w/more yards passing per game is the dark lord himself

griese has been a revelation for bears fans, probably the best quarterback play i've seen for the bears since jim miller in 2001

 

[Triumph]

im ALWAYS a redskin fan, i just have love for Thomas Brady. Is that so wrong?

No sir. NO SIR.

Also, how long do you have to wear that asinine avatar?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

No sir. NO SIR.

Also, how long do you have to wear that asinine avatar?

the rest of the season. Unless Bionic wants to go double or nothing on this weeks game, i'll prove my fandom and take the Skins over the Pats.

 

[Doubledex]

How come you aren't around when the Cowboys are losing or trailing to opponents or have a tough game?

"losing a game" "tough game" when?
They lost ONE game (me = at work) they even had a lead during it
Talk all you want. The fact remains: once a Cowboys-fan, forever a Cowboys-fan
Deal with it! ;-)

edit:
Vikings-game a tough game? lol what? They dominated them! Only the fumbles slowed them down. It was an easy win

 

[Triumph]

"losing a game" "tough game" when?
They lost ONE game (me = at work) they even had a lead during it
Talk all you want. The fact remains: once a Cowboys-fan, forever a Cowboys-fan
Deal with it! ;-)

edit:
Vikings-game a tough game? lol what? They dominated them! Only the fumbles slowed them down. It was an easy win

You guys probably would have lost if Childress wasn't having a Brokeback Mountain relationship with Chester Taylor. HE JUST CAN'T QUIT HIM.

 

[sorryaboutdresden]

Nope, I think Alex Smith has been pretty much garbage. But then again, it could be the offensive coordinator.

Yo man, sorry about the jags last night. I haven't posted here in a while, but MJD is becoming everything I hoped for on my fantasy team. It's about damm time.

PS.. Alex smith is garbage, but even garbage is better than dilfer

 

[Hunter D]

speaking of qbs, in a order of 1-5, were would you place the best qb in both conferences?

afc:

1. tom brady / overrated, numbers isn't all him, to bad the record books will read it that way.
2. peyton manning
3. roflburgler
4. derrek anderson / underrated
5. phillip rivers

nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia

AFC signal callers are thin if rivers is in your top 5.

 

[bionic77]

the rest of the season. Unless Bionic wants to go double or nothing on this weeks game, i'll prove my fandom and take the Skins over the Pats.

Are you asking me to bet on the Pats?

That is unpossible.

 

[firex]

palmer should be #5 instead of rivers. it's really not his fault the team is 2-4, and he's put up stats that, if he had a real defense that could stop a team, (even just hold them to 21 points) he'd be talked about as an mvp candidate.

 

[LiveWire]

im ALWAYS a redskin fan, i just have love for Thomas Brady. Is that so wrong?

Yes. WTF

 

[Striker]

He has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.

He led the Steelers back from 14 against the Broncos on Sunday Night.

He doesn't play defense and he doesn't block, but most qbs don't.

Not his OL fault he kept holding onto the ball. Not his OL's fault Ben threw to defenders.

The OL and defense has carried the Steelers all season. They will have to if the Steelers want to contend.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yes. WTF

Then i don't want to be right.

 

[hiryu]

AFC signal callers are thin if rivers is in your top 5.

Quarterback play is pretty bad across the league this year. It's pretty sad how bad QB play has been. I don't know if it's the defenses or coaches pulling the trigger too fast and not letting QBs learn before they either throw them to the wolves or bench them.

 

[Doubledex]

:lol http://www.americanstoday.com/mp3s/Romo.mp3

:lol :lol :lol :lol
I love it!!
Romo, Romo, ROMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :lol
..there ain't no quit in Romooooooooooooooooo

 

[Wellington]

It's his fault because his defense is shitty? Two of his best games were in games that they lost because their defense is non-existant.

And the two picks he threw against Connecticut had nothing to do with a loss eh? Interesting. I'd think 21-17 means the D was at least passable as well.

 

[Gigglepoo]

in 4 starts griese is averaging a little over 300 yards a game, the only person w/more yards passing per game is the dark lord himself

griese has been a revelation for bears fans, probably the best quarterback play i've seen for the bears since jim miller in 2001

What about Grossman's first four starts last season?

Grossman's first four starts in 2006:
78/125 (62.4%) 1061 yards 8 TDs 3 INTs

Griese:
102/163 (62.6%) 1203 yards 8 TDs 6 INTs

 

[firex]

And the two picks he threw against Connecticut had nothing to do with a loss eh? Interesting. I'd think 21-17 means the D was at least passable as well.

those are practically the only picks Brohm has thrown all year. he's the #1 QB prospect because he's been lighting people up for years, although Woodson is a close second.

 

[Spectral Glider]

The TEAM has like 10 4th quarter comebacks.

When Ben throws 30 times or more, the Steelers are like 3-10. He's a game manager, nothing more.

And why is it 30 times? Why is that the magical number. What's his record when he throws 27, 28, or 29 times a game? Oh, I know why it's 30, because then that feeds the media bias of Ben as a game manager, otherwise the numbers don't jive. What a bunch of horse shit.

 

[Lambtron]

nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia

He's thrown a lot of picks, but for christ's sake, he's played really really well this year. Announcers love to slob his knob, and as a huge Packer/Favre homer as I have been for the last like 20 years, it drives me nuts (especially since it runs counter to his personality), too. But he's not overrated. Also, he's the only offense the Packers have. Our running game is laughably bad. Our only hope is if Sticky Ricky gets reinstated, released by the Lolphins, and picked up by the Packers.

I still think they'll finish about 11-5 and get a first round bye.

 

[topsyturvy]

What about Grossman's first four starts last season?

Grossman's first four starts in 2006:
78/125 (62.4%) 1061 yards 8 TDs 3 INTs

Griese:
102/163 (62.6%) 1203 yards 8 TDs 6 INTs

so grossman is better then griese? :lol, grossman have never ever had two 300 yard games, let alone one last season. grossman also won an award for those stats fyi, so that mean that tom brady and peyton manning and every other qb stats looked worst last season in that time frame.

He's thrown a lot of picks, but for christ's sake, he's played really really well this year. Announcers love to slob his knob, and as a huge Packer/Favre homer as I have been for the last like 20 years, it drives me nuts (especially since it runs counter to his personality), too. But he's not overrated. Also, he's the only offense the Packers have. Our running game is laughably bad. Our only hope is if Sticky Ricky gets reinstated, released by the Lolphins, and picked up by the Packers.

I still think they'll finish about 11-5 and get a first round bye.

brett farve is awesome, the tube just over exaggerate things a little.