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[Flizzzipper]

Giants -10 Dolphins, what am I missing? Is Jeff Hostetler starting for the Giants?

 

[Gigglepoo]

so grossman is better then griese? :lol, grossman have never ever had two 300 yard games, let alone one last season. grossman also won an award for those stats fyi, so that mean that tom brady and peyton manning and every other qb stats looked worst last season in that time frame.

What the? He said he has never seen a Chicago QB play that well. I showed stats to the contrary. Grossman's fifth game last year was also really good. He didn't implode until the sixth game. Also, Grossman did have a 300 yard game last year... and a much better running game. If your team runs well, the QB tends to have less yards. Greise has thrown 30 more passes than Grossman did in his first four games last year. He has also thrown more INTs than Rex.

 

[topsyturvy]

What the? He said he has never seen a Chicago QB play that well. I showed stats to the contrary. Grossman's fifth game last year was also really good. He didn't implode until the sixth game. Also, Grossman did have a 300 yard game last year... and a much better running game. If your team runs well, the QB tends to have less yards. Greise has thrown 30 more passes than Grossman did in his first four games last year. He has also thrown more INTs than Rex.

1. he threw more ints simply because he threw more passes, hello.

2. what game did grossman had a 300+ game in?

3. also, you can't possible tell me that grossman is better then griese. If griese comes out this season healthy, i bet a ban that he won't be inconsistent like grossman. I bet a 200 dollar bet on that one.

4. even without a running game, grossman wouldn't put numbers up like that.

EDIT: oh wait, looking at the qb rating in those 4 games, it looks as though that rex grossman was fucking 07 tom brady with moss or some shit. 148 qb rating

holyshit what a year can do :lol

 

[Gigglepoo]

1. he threw more ints simply because he threw more passes, hello.

Grossman had 1 INT every 42 throws. Griese has thrown 1 INT every 27 passes. Griese is throwing INTs at a much higher rate than Grossman was at the beginning of last season.

2. what game did grossman had a 300+ game in?

Grossman threw for 339 yards against Tampa Bay last year. You know these stats are available to everyone.

3. also, you can't possible tell me that grossman is better then griese. If griese comes out this season healthy, i bet a ban that he won't be inconsistent like grossman. I bet a 200 dollar bet on that one.

When did I say Grossman was better than Griese? yacobod said this was the best QB play he's seen in six years. I provided stats that proved him wrong. Grossman played better in his first five starts last year than Griese is playing now.

4. even without a running game, grossman wouldn't put numbers up like that.

Um... ok? I'm just using stats here. I'm not defending Grossman.

 

[Tamanon]

BTW, a horrible thought just occurred.....

New England still has the Niners' first round pick.

Imagine if the Niners suck enough that they can get Darren McFadden

 

[topsyturvy]

Grossman had 1 INT every 42 throws. Griese has thrown 1 INT every 27 passes. Griese is throwing INTs at a much higher rate than Grossman was at the beginning of last season.


When did I say Grossman was better than Griese? yacobod said this was the best QB play he's seen in six years. I provided stats that proved him wrong. Grossman played better in his first five starts last year than Griese is playing now.

alright, i understand your point, grossman might have been productive doing the first five games. But like yacobod said, brian griese is doing the bears a good deal over there. oh, and for the int ratio, like i said before, he throws more then grossman. he threw 55 times in the lions game and got picked off 3 times, twice in the vikes game and 1 time doing the packers game. c'mon, what are you getting at here. i know your not defending grossman here, but just because griese threw 3 more picks then grossman, doesn't mean grossman played better then griese in the timeframe. yacobod and other chicago fanboys have faith in griese simply because its proven that he can call his own plays and lead a offense to a win. I didn't even mention the 3 consecutive comebacks he did for the bears. He is a consistent qb and it shows. Atleast thats what i think yacobod is getting at.

 

[Gigglepoo]

alright, i understand your point, grossman might have been productive doing the first five games.

I have no idea what you're even arguing about. Grossman had better numbers last year than Griese is putting up this year. Therefore, Griese is not the best QB the Bears have had since Jim "Roids" Miller in 2001. Remember, people were saying Grossman was playing like an MVP at the beginning of last year. No one is saying that about Griese now.

Monday Morning Quarterback September 18, 2006

"Rex Grossman is just the leader the Bears need. The confidence of this guy comes through on every pass. After two weeks he's the NFL's leading passer, with a 128.7 rating. Think of this number: He's attempted 53 passes and has 551 passing yards. That's an amazing 10.4 yards per pass play, almost two yards better than any other quarterback in football. Peyton Manning's at 8.56, Brady at 7.37. And that was no slouchy Lions defense Grossman faced Sunday and riddled for four touchdown passes. "That's my Super Bowl team,'' Cris Collinsworth said Sunday ... the same thing he had said several Sundays before. Right now, who can doubt him, or them?"

 

[topsyturvy]

I have no idea what you're even arguing about. Grossman had better numbers last year than Griese is putting up this year. Therefore, Griese is not the best QB the Bears have had since Jim "Roids" Miller in 2001. Remember, people were saying Grossman was playing like an MVP at the beginning of last year. No one is saying that about Griese now.

Monday Morning Quarterback September 18, 2006

"Rex Grossman is just the leader the Bears need. The confidence of this guy comes through on every pass. After two weeks he's the NFL's leading passer, with a 128.7 rating. Think of this number: He's attempted 53 passes and has 551 passing yards. That's an amazing 10.4 yards per pass play, almost two yards better than any other quarterback in football. Peyton Manning's at 8.56, Brady at 7.37. And that was no slouchy Lions defense Grossman faced Sunday and riddled for four touchdown passes. "That's my Super Bowl team,'' Cris Collinsworth said Sunday ... the same thing he had said several Sundays before. Right now, who can doubt him, or them?"

ok, i'm not gonna argue that, because its simply mute.

14 -----> 8 period

last year, chad pennington was fucking incredible. griese have everything grossman doesn't have. thats what yabobod is talking about. not stats, because if its about stats, griese still wins even by having 3 more int. like i said, when its all said and done, griese will have a better year then grossman.

 

[storybook77]

And the two picks he threw against Connecticut had nothing to do with a loss eh? Interesting. I'd think 21-17 means the D was at least passable as well.

DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
8/30 Murray State W 73-10 16 21 375 76.2 59 4 0 289.05 1 1 1.0 1 1
9/6 Middle Tennessee W 58-42 25 39 401 64.1 81 5 0 192.78 6 25 4.2 12 0
9/15 @Kentucky L 40-34 28 43 366 65.1 46 2 1 147.31 6 -7 -1.2 6 0
9/22 Syracuse L 38-35 45 65 555 69.2 36 4 2 155.10 2 -6 -3.0 4 0
9/29 @North Carolina State W 29-10 20 33 251 60.6 26 1 1 128.44 0 0 0.0 0 0
10/5 Utah L 44-35 39 58 467 67.2 45 4 0 157.64 3 -15 -5.0 0 0
10/13 @Cincinnati W 28-24 28 38 350 73.7 51 3 0 177.11 9 -12 -1.3 6 0
10/19 @Connecticut L 21-17 29 41 228 70.7 26 1 2 115.74 3 -1 -0.3 4 0

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 66 98 819 67.3 8.36 74 6 2 11 153.67
2005 207 301 2883 68.8 9.58 76 19 5 17 166.73
2006 199 313 3049 63.6 9.74 75 16 5 16 159.08
2007 230 338 2993 68.0 8.86 81 24 6 11 162.31

Yea, Brohm just isn't a very good QB. I mean anyone who averages above a 150 QB Rating in all 4 years must suck, right?

 

[Triumph]

And why is it 30 times? Why is that the magical number. What's his record when he throws 27, 28, or 29 times a game? Oh, I know why it's 30, because then that feeds the media bias of Ben as a game manager, otherwise the numbers don't jive. What a bunch of horse shit.

Here's a funny stat- Ben has thrown 30+ attempts 3 times this year and in 2 of those games? The Steelers lost. Ben's just not that good of a qb.

 

[bionic77]

Not his OL fault he kept holding onto the ball. Not his OL's fault Ben threw to defenders.

The OL and defense has carried the Steelers all season. They will have to if the Steelers want to contend.

The Steelers Oline does not do the greatest job protecting Ben. Too often guys are coming unblocked and Ben has to move around in the pocket to buy time and get the ball down the field. It is a credit to Ben that he is able to do it consistently, but no qb can play well under that kind of pressure all the time.

And yes sometimes Ben does hold on to the ball too long, but the majority of the time the sacks are not his fault. When 2 defenders comes unblocked at Eli is that his fault or the fault of the oline?

And Ben throwing to defenders? He has only 5INTs to 13TDs. WTF are you talking about? He is putting up great numbers so far.

I agree that the OL and defense have to play well for the Steelers to contend, but uh that is true of every football team that has ever played the game. It is pretty hard to win any game, let alone in the playoffs, when your oline can't block and your defense can't get off the field. The Steelers OL has been inconsistent this year. Sometimes they have been great and other times just eh. Same has been true of the Steelers defense.

 

[yacobod]

What the? He said he has never seen a Chicago QB play that well. I showed stats to the contrary. Grossman's fifth game last year was also really good. He didn't implode until the sixth game. Also, Grossman did have a 300 yard game last year... and a much better running game. If your team runs well, the QB tends to have less yards. Greise has thrown 30 more passes than Grossman did in his first four games last year. He has also thrown more INTs than Rex.

lol, the qb benefits from a strong running game, not the other way around, if your team has a strong running game, more than likely the defense will be forced to put 8 guys in the box to stop the run, which will open up the passing game a lot, either that or they will get gashed, gotta pick your poison if your team can do both well

the bears running game didnt hit its stride until like week 5 or 6last year, i believe thomas jones didnt break the century mark until the buffalo bills game last year, a big reason why the bears running game started the season slowly was because teams were game planning to stop our running game, we were facing 8 man fronts at the beginning of the season, and our offense was able to exploit that by throwing over the top

grossman put up his big numbers last year because defenses were stacking the box to stop the bears running game, defenses dared an unproven grossman to beat them, and he was able to throw over the top of those 8 man fronts, when defense began adjusting and game planning for grossman, we saw what happened, he tanked a good portion of the remaining games, what did he have 5 games below a 50 quarterback rating

i didnt mention grossman because he imploded after his strong start last season, so it turned out to be more of a fluke/mirage, and still griese's numbers are better through 4 games than grossman's so not sure why you even bring up grossman's numbers, bears fans know grossman put up numbers through the first quarter of last season, due to the reasons i've outlined above, i think your argument is pretty stupid

griese is putting up those numbers w/out the benefit of a running game, and a poor defense, last year the bears offense was the benefactor of a lot of short fields, so i think its more impressive, i think we might have our most consistent qb play since jim miller in 2001, and i'll stand by that statement

 

[Spectral Glider]

Here's a funny stat- Ben has thrown 30+ attempts 3 times this year and in 2 of those games? The Steelers lost. Ben's just not that good of a qb.

Thanks for avoiding the question. Next one, so, passing attempts are the only way to judge wins and losses in this league or QB performance? Why don't you look at his avg. yards per attempt or per completion over his career, regardless of number of attempts, and tell me what you see. Going just by avg. per attempt: In '04 he was 5th in the league. In '05, he was 1st (SB win). In '06 he was 7th. This year so far, he's tied for 8th.

 

[Triumph]

Thanks for avoiding the question. Next one, so, passing attempts are the only way to judge wins and losses in this league or QB performance? Why don't you look at his avg. yards per attempt or per completion over his career, regardless of number of attempts, and tell me what you see. Going just by avg. per attempt: In '04 he was 5th in the league. In '05, he was 1st (SB win). In '06 he was 7th. This year so far, he's tied for 8th.

Trust me, as a Falcons fan I know the pain of having a sub-par QB. Denial will just prolong your pain- let it out, my friend. It's ok to cry.

 

[Spectral Glider]

Trust me, as a Falcons fan I know the pain of having a sub-par QB. Denial will just prolong your pain- let it out, my friend. It's ok to cry.

:lol :lol :lol You're relating Ben to the crap you've had in Falcons uniforms? :lol :lol :lol Joke character confirmed.

 

[bionic77]

Trust me, as a Falcons fan I know the pain of having a sub-par QB. Denial will just prolong your pain- let it out, my friend. It's ok to cry.

You aren't even a Falcons fan so don't drag them down with you.

Spectral just ignore him. He is a Bradyphile and so of course he is programmed to lash out at the Messiah.

And since we are arguing over stupid things, doesn't Brady have a losing record when playing in Miami? Against the Dolphins? Sounds like a guy who can't win in the warm weather. In fact I don't think Belichick has ever beaten the Redskins (another warm climate team). I guess their success just a product of the cold climate in Foxboro (and of course videotapes)....

 

[Spectral Glider]

You aren't even a Falcons fan so don't drag them down with you.

Spectral just ignore him. He is a Bradyphile and so of course he is programmed to lash out at the Messiah.

And since we are arguing over stupid things, doesn't Brady have a losing record when playing in Miami? Against the Dolphins? Sounds like a guy who can't win in the warm weather. In fact I don't think Belichick has ever beaten the Redskins (another warm climate team). I guess their success just a product of the cold climate in Foxboro (and of course videotapes)....

Yeah, you're right. I'm trying to ignore one of the devil's henchmen. But right now arguing over stupid stuff is more fun than doing my actual work here in the office.

 

[whytemyke]

I love that I live in Chicago because I get to see all these Bears fans use one game to hype the shit out of Brian Griese.

These people are mostly fools. Same people that think every year the Cubs are gonna win the pennant are the ones fooling themselves into thinking they'll make the playoffs and kick ass behind the awesomeness (lol) of cedric benson and brian griese.

a top 5 QB in the NFC? Please.

-McNabb
-Hasselbeck
-Eli (maybe)
-Favre
-Brees
-Bulger
-Romo
-Kitna

all these QBs I would place ahead of Griese. One last drive can't erase a career of mediocrity, so let's everyone stop slurping Brian Griese.



And let's lay off atlanta fans. they haven't always had sub-average QBs. Remember Chris Chandler? HE was a winner! :lol

 

[Spectral Glider]

And let's lay off atlanta fans. they haven't always had sub-average QBs. Remember Chris Chandler? HE was a winner! :lol

Ahh, yes, good ol' Crystal Chandelier. Good times. :lol

 

[Jon_Danger]

Detroit at Chicago
Pittsburgh at Cincinnati
Oakland at Tennessee
Cleveland at St. Louis
NY Giants at Miami
Philadelphia at Minnesota
Buffalo at NY Jets
Houston at San Diego
Jacksonville at Tampa Bay
New Orleans at San Francisco
Washington at New England

MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL:
Green Bay at Denver

Lets go pack, 7-1!

Also, since the bears won last week, they are going to lose this week. I don't think detroit is going to hand them a game like philly did.

 

[yacobod]

I love that I live in Chicago because I get to see all these Bears fans use one game to hype the shit out of Brian Griese.

These people are mostly fools. Same people that think every year the Cubs are gonna win the pennant are the ones fooling themselves into thinking they'll make the playoffs and kick ass behind the awesomeness (lol) of cedric benson and brian griese.

that being said, it will be nice when we beat detroit on sunday and move back to .500

 

[whytemyke]

that being said, it will be nice when we beat detroit on sunday and move back to .500

and it's nice to know that even though we'll probably lose to chicago this weekend, because we never win in soulja field, we'll still be a game up on chicago in the standings as chicago goes into the bye week and we keep somehow winning games. :lol

 

[Jon_Danger]

Grossman sucks btw, griese is looking 10 times better.

 

[Andokuky]

speaking of qbs, in a order of 1-5, were would you place the best qb in both conferences?

afc:

1. tom brady / overrated, numbers isn't all him, to bad the record books will read it that way.
2. peyton manning
3. roflburgler
4. derrek anderson / underrated
5. phillip rivers

nfc:
1. tony romo
2. eli manning
3. brett farve / overrated
4. brian griese / highly underrated
5. jeff garcia

I find your lack of Palmer and Jay Jesus Cutler disturbing. Rofflecopter top 3? Maybe when he has a dominant run game to feed off of. My AFC list:

1. Manning, by far. Lots of separation between 1 and 2.
2. Brady. Shit it must be nice. It's like he's playing Madden on Pro or something.
3. Palmer. Give him a defense and they are probably 5-1.
4. Garrard. Maybe he just needed to be sure he was the #1 guy in Jacksonville.
5. Schaub. Has the second worst ground game in the league and still looks great. Also without his only real weapon for most of the season. Falcon organization am cry.

Runner ups:

Anderson. Playing real well for the Browns, just needs to get that completion % up.
Cutler. Strongest arm in the NFL? Just needs to cut down on stupid turnovers.
Roethlisberger. Did I spell that right?

NFC:

1. Romo. Aside from the Buffalo disaster, he has been lights out. Even had Dallas beating the Pats until they started committing stupid penalties every time they made a play.

2. Garcia. How the fuck do you throw 45 times, completing over 82% of those passes for over 300 yards with no interceptions and lose?

3. Hasselbeck. Looking good but who cares, this team is about as up and down as you can get. Time for a new coach.

4. Delhomme. Sorry Panthers fans :lol
5. Favruh. Reverting to his ld ways a few times this year and cost GB one game. Hard to fault the guy though when they have by far the worst run game in the league.

 

[Andokuky]

Didn't the Bears and Lions just play like 2 weeks ago?

 

[Jon_Danger]

Top QB's

1. Peyton "The Man" Manning (He is just more skilled than brady)
2. Tom Brady (Must be nice to have 3 of the best WR's in the league)
3. Carson Palmer (Must... be good... for... shitty... team)
4. Favre (He is carrying the team for god's sake) WTB an RB.
5. Eli Manning (The giants turn-around has been awesome, and he is really starting to build up, he is the model of consistency)

How could you possibly have griese in the top 5? has has started how many games? he has yet to prove himself. Though, I will admit he was damn good on sunday, just what the bears needed. Now, if they can fix their sieve like defense, it will be all good, and the pack will have a real challenge in the NFC north.

 

[Jon_Danger]

Didn't the Bears and Lions just play like 2 weeks ago?

I believe it was the packers 2 weeks ago, but they played the lions the week before that.

 

[captive]

Detroit played Chicago in week 4, and scored something like 34 points in the fourth quater

 

[whytemyke]

Top QB's

1. Peyton "The Man" Manning (He is just more skilled than brady)
2. Tom Brady (Must be nice to have 3 of the best WR's in the league)
3. Carson Palmer (Must... be good... for... shitty... team)
4. Favre (He is carrying the team for god's sake) WTB an RB.
5. Eli Manning (The giants turn-around has been awesome, and he is really starting to build up, he is the model of consistency)

How could you possibly have griese in the top 5? has has started how many games? he has yet to prove himself. Though, I will admit he was damn good on sunday, just what the bears needed. Now, if they can fix their sieve like defense, it will be all good, and the pack will have a real challenge in the NFC north.

Dude... Griese started like 2 years in Denver and was a journeyman til he landed in Chicago. He's already had the chance to prove himself... he's good in bits but he won't carry a team for an entire season.

By the way, I don't think Manning is more skilled than Brady. Remember all those seasons the Colts won 14 or 13 games while Brady was barely holding it together in New England? Switch those positions and tell me how Manning does then. He's had an awesome, AWESOME offense surrounding him for his entire career (Edge, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and that stacked O-Line) while Brady has languished up in NE with WRs like Reche Caldwell. His best WR til Moss was DEION BRANCH... I mean, c'mon, and his best RB was Dillon.

Switch those roles and then we'll talk. I think Brady is just as good as Manning.

 

[Tamanon]

Top QB's

1. Peyton "The Man" Manning (He is just more skilled than brady)
2. Tom Brady (Must be nice to have 3 of the best WR's in the league)
3. Carson Palmer (Must... be good... for... shitty... team)
4. Favre (He is carrying the team for god's sake) WTB an RB.
5. Eli Manning (The giants turn-around has been awesome, and he is really starting to build up, he is the model of consistency)

How could you possibly have griese in the top 5? has has started how many games? he has yet to prove himself. Though, I will admit he was damn good on sunday, just what the bears needed. Now, if they can fix their sieve like defense, it will be all good, and the pack will have a real challenge in the NFC north.

Well, he's got him in the top 5 NFC QBs, not overall That's not really saying much.

 

[Jon_Danger]

Dude... Griese started like 2 years in Denver and was a journeyman til he landed in Chicago. He's already had the chance to prove himself... he's good in bits but he won't carry a team for an entire season.

By the way, I don't think Manning is more skilled than Brady. Remember all those seasons the Colts won 14 or 13 games while Brady was barely holding it together in New England? Switch those positions and tell me how Manning does then. He's had an awesome, AWESOME offense surrounding him for his entire career (Edge, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and that stacked O-Line) while Brady has languished up in NE with WRs like Reche Caldwell. His best WR til Moss was DEION BRANCH... I mean, c'mon, and his best RB was Dillon.

Switch those roles and then we'll talk. I think Brady is just as good as Manning.

I dunno, it is really tough to say, I think they are both great, and it is very close... but if brady is so good, where has he been all these years?

 

[Triumph]

I find the people ranking Peyton "11 TD 3 INT" Manning above Lord Brady to be laughable.

I dunno, it is really tough to say, I think they are both great, and it is very close... but if brady is so good, where has he been all these years?

In football, you're only as good as your tools. Brady had very, very pedestrian tools for years... I'd say barely even adequate and still put up decent numbers. Now he has the best tools money can buy and he's putting up numbers better than Manning. The proof is in the pudding, baby.

 

[bionic77]

Top QB's

1. Peyton "The Man" Manning (He is just more skilled than brady)
2. Tom Brady (Must be nice to have 3 of the best WR's in the league)
3. Carson Palmer (Must... be good... for... shitty... team)
4. Favre (He is carrying the team for god's sake) WTB an RB.
5. Eli Manning (The giants turn-around has been awesome, and he is really starting to build up, he is the model of consistency)

How could you possibly have griese in the top 5? has has started how many games? he has yet to prove himself. Though, I will admit he was damn good on sunday, just what the bears needed. Now, if they can fix their sieve like defense, it will be all good, and the pack will have a real challenge in the NFC north.

Lets look at some numbers:

COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD INT SK SYD RAT
C. Palmer 141 224 62.9 1717 7.67 56 13 9 10.0 75 89.1
B. Favre QB, GNB 160 247 64.8 1715 6.94 60 9 6 11.0 73 87.0
E. Manning NYG 137 227 60.4 1525 6.72 60 13 9 7.0 39 82.9
B. Roethlisberger 105 166 63.3 1303 7.85 43 13 5 15.0 119 101.1

Now going on the numbers explain how those 3 quarterbacks are rated higher in your list than Big Ben.

Edit: why did my numbers come out all weird? Can someone post their stats in a readable format?

 

[Jon_Danger]

I find the people ranking Peyton "11 TD 3 INT" Manning above Lord Brady to be laughable.


In football, you're only as good as your tools. Brady had very, very pedestrian tools for years... I'd say barely even adequate and still put up decent numbers. Now he has the best tools money can buy and he's putting up numbers better than Manning. The proof is in the pudding, baby.

That makes no sense really...

Of course you are going to do better if you have the best tools. The only way we can be sure is to have them trade places, throwing from the same conditions. But that is impossible. Again, I will say brady has always been under-rated, but to put him better than another QB skillwise alone, because he has a better recieving crew is ludicrous. I mean they are seriously neck & neck in my book. It is just with the colts it is manning carrying the team, whereas in NE, they have a solid all around team full of leaders.

 

[Jon_Danger]

Lets look at some numbers:

COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD INT SK SYD RAT
C. Palmer 141 224 62.9 1717 7.67 56 13 9 10.0 75 89.1
B. Favre QB, GNB 160 247 64.8 1715 6.94 60 9 6 11.0 73 87.0
E. Manning NYG 137 227 60.4 1525 6.72 60 13 9 7.0 39 82.9
B. Roethlisberger 105 166 63.3 1303 7.85 43 13 5 15.0 119 101.1

Now going on the numbers explain how those 3 quarterbacks are rated higher in your list than Big Ben.

Edit: why did my numbers come out all weird? Can someone post their stats in a readable format?

Why, because he doesn't throw. To be considered a marquee QB, you gotta throw the ball alot more. Also... 43 yards? Come on, he is not throwing the long-ball.

 

[Flizzzipper]

I find the people ranking Peyton "11 TD 3 INT" Manning above Lord Brady to be laughable.

Manning just knows how to win. I can't even remember the last time Brady won a super bowl or beat Manning head to head. Brady's all about the stats, Manning just does what it takes to win.

 

[bionic77]

Why, because he doesn't throw. To be considered a marquee QB, you gotta throw the ball alot more. Also... 43 yards? Come on, he is not throwing the long-ball.

He hasn't thrown the ball as much because half of the Steelers games have been blowouts. Unlike the Pats the Steelers run the ball in the second half when they have a lead to speed up the clock.

That is the team's philosophy and shouldn't be a knock against a player. He is still on pace for 3500 yards, which is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Jon_Danger]

He hasn't thrown the ball as much because half of the Steelers games have been blowouts. Unlike the Pats the Steelers run the ball in the second half when they have a lead to speed up the clock.

That is the team's philosophy and shouldn't be a knock against a player. He is still on pace for 3500 yards, which is nothing to sneeze at.

I am sorry, handing the ball off to parker is not "skill" if he was on a more passing centric team, maybe I could give him more credit. He has yet to prove himself as a leader, and a playmaker.

 

[Andokuky]

I find the people ranking Peyton "11 TD 3 INT" Manning above Lord Brady to be laughable.

Manning runs his team. Runs the offense, calls plays, runs meetings, runs practices. Brady is a great quarterback. Manning will likely go down as the greatest to ever play. I have no doubts that if you put Manning on those Patriots teams with those shut down defenses and stable of more than capable but not great offensive players behind that great offensive line, the Pats would have won even more Super Bowls.

Brady has better numbers but Manning has played much better competition and the Colts don't run the score up on people.

 

[bionic77]

I am sorry, handing the ball off to parker is not "skill" if he was on a more passing centric team, maybe I could give him more credit. He has yet to prove himself as a leader, and a playmaker.

The vast majority of Parker's yards usually come in the 2nd half in garbage time.

I guess there is no convincing people though. I thought his numbers would speak for themselves. He has a high completion percentage. Great TD to INT ratio. He almost always wins games. Has about 10 4th quarter comebacks under his belt. Keeps drives alive despite very spotty protection at times (look at the number of sacks, most of which were not from holding the ball).

And led his team to the SB (where they passed to get there).

Guess that is just not enough...

 

[Rorschach]

I find the people ranking Peyton "11 TD 3 INT" Manning above Lord Brady to be laughable.

He doesn't chuck it up in the air in between 2 defenders praying that his WR makes a spectacular catch with his friggin' armpit. He's also unselfish in the TD category. Everyone expecting the throw? Fuck it, give it to Addai even though Manning is the one that calls the plays. He also just runs out the clock instead of running up the score in the final moments.

 

[Triumph]

He doesn't chuck it up in the air in between 2 defenders praying that his WR makes a spectacular catch with his friggin' armpit. He's also unselfish in the TD category. Everyone expecting the throw? Fuck it, give it to Addai even though Manning is the one that calls the plays. He also just runs out the clock instead of running up the score in the final moments.

Hey, the Pats are all about spreading it out. They let an undrafted rookie from the Naval Academy score the "Fuck You" TD a couple weeks ago.

And after the 49ers suck enough to get the Pats a top 5 pick, they'll be able to get Darren McFadden plenty of rushing TDs next year!

 

[bionic77]

He doesn't chuck it up in the air in between 2 defenders praying that his WR makes a spectacular catch with his friggin' armpit.

That play was all Brady.

For people who actually think that Brady is as good as Manning go and watch a replay of some of Manning's deep balls sometime. The timing Manning has when given time is insane.

 

[Enron]

GUYS WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT JASON CAMPBELL

 

[firex]

it's just wrong to compare Brady to Super Mario with that avatar. I mean, they're both after kids, but I don't think Mario wants to rape and/or eat them.

oh, and I don't get the espn rumor about chad being traded. It's not going to happen... and that blowup marvin lewis had after the MNF game with the patriots wasn't even directed at chad anyway. it was at TJ. he was the one saying he needed more plays.

 

[Triumph]

Brady has better numbers but Manning has played much better competition and the Colts don't run the score up on people.

I have to take issue with this. In 2004 when Manning set the record, the Colts WERE running the score up on people. They'd be doing it now if they could, but they're just not as good as Lord Brady and the Pats.

 

[Flizzzipper]

I have to take issue with this. In 2004 when Manning set the record, the Colts WERE running the score up on people. They'd be doing it now if they could, but they're just not as good as Lord Brady and the Pats.

Manning passed for 7 fourth quarter touchdowns that season, 1 while up by 14, move along, nothing to see here.

 

[levious]

He doesn't chuck it up in the air in between 2 defenders praying that his WR makes a spectacular catch with his friggin' armpit. He's also unselfish in the TD category. Everyone expecting the throw? Fuck it, give it to Addai even though Manning is the one that calls the plays. He also just runs out the clock instead of running up the score in the final moments.

It's like some of you didn't pay attention to Manning's play calling until last year.

I like how all of the sudden we went from questioning whether Moss had any good years left in him to declaring Welker and Stallworth among the top receivers in the league (not you specifically Rorschach).

Manning and Brady both throw incredible deep balls, jesus, the things some of you argue about.

bionic,

Shouldn't you have added Bowser attributes to your avatar?

 

[Tamanon]

it's just wrong to compare Brady to Super Mario with that avatar. I mean, they're both after kids, but I don't think Mario wants to rape and/or eat them.

oh, and I don't get the espn rumor about chad being traded. It's not going to happen... and that blowup marvin lewis had after the MNF game with the patriots wasn't even directed at chad anyway. it was at TJ. he was the one saying he needed more plays.

ESPN's having to back off the Chad Johnson hate machine after he totally schooled Keyshawn in that interview.

They always like to find a team that's doing worse than it should and pin its problems on the most well-known member.

 

[Gigglepoo]

bears fans know grossman put up numbers through the first quarter of last season, due to the reasons i've outlined above, i think your argument is pretty stupid

I love this "Bears fans" crap. Until this year, I saw every Bears game from 1998 through last season. I may not have been a "Bears fan," but I sure as hell knew the team. Grossman's stats were better at the beginning of last year (less INT, better TD ratio (more TDs per throw), better yards per throw/catch average, better record). You can dispute that all you want, but Grossman was an early MVP candidate and Griese is not. You said you haven't seen a Bears QB play this well since Jim Miller. That is a lie. Yes, Grossman was eventually exposed, but he was damn good through the first five games last year. Oh, and if you want combacks, he had that killer one in the Metrodome with the clutch pass to Berian.