BlitzerRadic
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Look man, calling someone "they" sounds dumb to me, I agree. But calling someone "it" instead is just rude AF.
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NG: "Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 butchers Spanish language to be “inclusive”"
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Look man, calling someone "they" sounds dumb to me, I agree. But calling someone "it" instead is just rude AF.
John Bilbo
Member
We should call everyone BEAST
Vick
Member
Still not sure I want to play it.
On one end I've read the Italian version is completely free of this language butcher bullshit and at least the game allows you to disable undesired podcasts, on the other while I really loved to death the first game on PS4 (except for that bitter, envious, insufferable MJ), I despise Peter's new model and couldn't even finish Miles Morales as it was giving me diabetes.
Is the game feel here more OG or Morales? And is the gameplay (that I loved it in the previous games, especially combat which I find super underrated), really that much better here?
The full physics based swing option sound admittedly extremely inviting, but does the swing at 0:16 in the first video or 1:25 in the second feel good to perform? How do you actually do it?
And does "flying" feel even half as good and rewarding as Just Cause 3?
I apologize for all these questions but I really don't know what to do. Want to support physical copies of well crafted single player games but the more time I spend as a father the less I tolerate woke nonsense.
I'll likely skip this for now, get RoboCop D1 and depending on answers to these questions I'll see when to get my hands on a copy of SM2.. used perhaps, something I haven't done in years.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
C'mon, don't accept this nonsense. I can see the point in these warnings in the case of movies and books from the 1930 or earlier when racial slurs where par for the course. But in the case of the Metal Gear Solid Collection we're talking about games from the late 1980ies-early 2000s. There's nothing in these games that's actually offensive. Just the fact that there's a disclaimer is a sign that publishers are afraid to offend easily offended snowflakes. The inclusion of a disclaimer even indicates these nitwits have a point and is another step in normalizing ultra political correct language and the practice of employing sensitivity readers to remove every single phrase or word that could possibly be offensive to someone somewhere.
GrayChild
Member
And good riddance, if we're talking about this type of developers.
Doczu
Member
I got a bad headace trying to come up with one (ONE) thing someone could get offended by and the only thing that came to my mind are a few bikini posters in MGS2.
This is a political-techno-thriller in an sneaking-action game. What could offend anyone here??
Anybody who does not “identify” as he or she has a mental health disorder and needs to be encouraged to seek out treatment, their brain is telling them something that is not true it’s really as simple as that, you wouldn’t tell a anorexic who is dangerously thin but who’s brain is telling them they are obese to starve themselves.
In the UK the Telegraph newspaper was reporting last year that anorexia and bulimia cases are down by 90% among the youth as this cancerous shite is the new cool trend.
In the UK the Telegraph newspaper was reporting last year that anorexia and bulimia cases are down by 90% among the youth as this cancerous shite is the new cool trend.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
As someone who is leftist, pretty hard one.
This is shitty colonialism and butchering of Latin/Spanish language and culture.
Nothing "woke" about it, if we take the original term "woke". Its that ((woke)) bullshit from white anglos, which makes it such an obnoxious "looking down on plebx from my high horse" bullshit. And it does not affect in a positive sense any marginalised group, it does not help them one bit.
CRINGE
This is shitty colonialism and butchering of Latin/Spanish language and culture.
Nothing "woke" about it, if we take the original term "woke". Its that ((woke)) bullshit from white anglos, which makes it such an obnoxious "looking down on plebx from my high horse" bullshit. And it does not affect in a positive sense any marginalised group, it does not help them one bit.
CRINGE
The fact that BLM is a literal terrorist group makes all the pandering even more absurd. I expected this game to have a good amount of woke nonsense but, gotta say, I’m rather surprised by how much there actually is. All of Miles‘ side missions are nothing but pandering. You’re forced to play as his deaf love interest in one mission, for instance, and there is a section where you have to help a gay Indian boy confess to the dude he likes. They also go out of their way throughout the game to depict Miles as stronger, better and more epic than Peter in every way...
Exactly this.
DonF
Member
No. Let me translate that to English. No.
FingerBang
Member
The more I play this game, the more woke things I notice.
...but man, it's still so fucking good!
...but man, it's still so fucking good!
Doczu
Member
Why yes, this reads like a very competent, rich in detail VIDEO GAME review, where all the important parts have been adressed, such as:The fact that BLM is a literal terrorist group makes all the pandering even more absurd. I expected this game to have a good amount of woke nonsense but, gotta say, I’m rather surprised by how much there actually is. All of Miles‘ side missions are nothing but pandering. You’re forced to play as his deaf love interest in one mission, for instance, and there is a section where you have to help a gay Indian boy confess to the dude he likes. They also go out of their way throughout the game to depict Miles as stronger, better and more epic than Peter in every way...
- friendly neighborhood Spidey helping gay college students
- street festivals full of dancing and foods that yoy can almost smell
- rainbow and UA flags hanging everywhere
- Spidey taking hugs as payment
How could this game get less than 9/10?
Other game devs: please take notes and LISTEN
PatientGamer
Member
FWIW, I'm not concerned about the BLM art in the game and stuff. It's part of Miles' identity, I'm sure when Miles was introduced in 2011, I bet there was a lot of hate just because he's black. But like with every group/movement...a few bad eggs is all it takes to be branded a hate group.
The changing of the Spanish language is just pure bullshit though, wtf signed off on that...
The changing of the Spanish language is just pure bullshit though, wtf signed off on that...
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
The voice actor must have been so confused! 
Shakka43
Member
Cause it's not a buffet?Oh well, that photo explains a lot about the game.... I guess:
And people wonder why developers don’t come to GAF anymore
BlitzerRadic
Member
Man its wild how some of you guys getting so worked up over a splash screen.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
It's almost like we've seen franchise after franchise we grew up with get dragged through a latrine by tourists who were never interested in the property itself, and only wanted to destroy what we loved.
Star Wars
Star Trek
Marvel
DC
LotR
Saint's Row
Grand Theft Auto
TloU
Dungeons and Dragons
Disney animation
And on, and on, and on. So far Games Workshop, of all companies, has been the only one to largely tell these people to get fucked.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Vlodril
Member
And you can tell their political opinions from that pic how?
Kirye
Member
When you refer to someone as latino/Latina you "assume their gender". Latinx was meant to evade that. It hasn't been adopted outside of the US.
As people have mentioned Spanish is a gendered language and it's awkward to try to shift it to neutral.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
we really live in the worst timeline
Kirye
Member
It'll balance out over time once people stop giving a fuck about Trans people again. All of this has been going on for a while but it's the fad right now to be mad about this and whatever dummies consider "woke". Can't wait for the next stupid thing to be upset about lol.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
I don't give a fuck honestly. Just these new terms surprise me from time to time, how fucking insane some people are.
Faust
Perpetually Tired
I would say the combat is much more improved. You have abilties unique to each spider-man and the animations for each feel in-line with their character. You only have web shooters to R1 now, but they are much more useful and you have 4 unique web gadgets you pull with a different button combo (so no longer will you need to constantly switch with R1).
Swinging feels amazing. They greatly improved the sense of speed and the loop-da-loop move feels great to pull off. Essentially you just dive like you would in the pervious game, but then hold R2 while diving. Depending on when you release you can get a massive boost of speed without stopping your momentum. Switching to wings is as simple as pressing Triangle.
I have never played JC3 so I can’t say. I think it feels really good though.
I didn’t buy this game, as I had a family member who bought it so we just did family sharing. I think the core gameplay is fantastic fun and the world is gorgeous. The slacktivist writing is very heavy handed at times, but so far it hasn’t stopped me from enjoying the core narrative. Though Black Cat is easily the worst she has ever been and seems to have been written to be bipolar or some such. Her mood shifts constantly.
Kirye
Member
I mean, we have a thread full of people who are angry and upset over something stupid that doesn't affect them and they are actively choosing not to play a game they're potentially interested in because "Grr, woke". Insanity goes both ways.
I agree forcing neutral language in other languages is a bit much. Again, balance will be found over time.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
"our next news at 11"
Is this from SM2? I don't remember anything looking that bad in the original on PS4.
gaming_again
Member
Wilful ignorance or bad faith. You know what it signals.
gaming_again
Member
I’m
the direction western society travels in does indeed affect me.
Ulysses 31
Member
Why are you questioning? Just conform already!
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Cum awn gaiz, language evolves over time. Duh. Stop being raceists
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
TheloniusFabdul
Member
Oh well, that photo explains a lot about the game.... I guess:
Senua
Member
It is indeed, the game is rather inconsistent
semiconscious
Member
the west has created a massive, college-educated, ideology-based workforce that does fundamentally nothing but spend its entire time protecting some unknown, unidentified hyper-sensitive individual somewhere from ever experiencing any emotional discomfort via any form of media contact. it's an extraordinary accomplishment - the equivalent of an entirely new white-collar mini-industry where, but a few years back, there was absolutely nothing. all in the name of protecting... a conceivably non-existent 'someone'...This woke shit is fucking disgusting, this is the first screen that pops up when you boot the metal gear master collection..... Society is so rotten that the Devs felt the need to "apologize" before the game starts.
This shit needs to stop. At least they've been brave enough to not alter the original version of the games to comply with this stupid trend, but the fact that they had to put this message.... I don't have words...
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Boss Mog
Member
What they meant to say was "We included them because we have no choice since these aren't ports but just the original games being emulated. We threw in this screen to cover our asses with the twitter degenerates"This woke shit is fucking disgusting, this is the first screen that pops up when you boot the metal gear master collection..... Society is so rotten that the Devs felt the need to "apologize" before the game starts.
This shit needs to stop. At least they've been brave enough to not alter the original version of the games to comply with this stupid trend, but the fact that they had to put this message.... I don't have words...
KungFucius
King Snowflake
I hate the Lantinx BS. The language uses the Maculine by default, so what? English has they/them, Spanish has ellos/ellas. If they are mixed sex it is ellos, if it is all women it is ellas. In English they is they for all men, all women and mixed. Spanish has a word for a group of women. Adding this x/e shit robs the language of that unique feature.
Realistically the language is part of the culture and imposing the x/e nonsense disrespects that. It is not a patriarchal anti-woman institution, it is a language that is spoken by over a billion people and has been the way it is now for centuries. It is not woke, it is disrespecting a different culture and imposing yours on them.
Realistically the language is part of the culture and imposing the x/e nonsense disrespects that. It is not a patriarchal anti-woman institution, it is a language that is spoken by over a billion people and has been the way it is now for centuries. It is not woke, it is disrespecting a different culture and imposing yours on them.
ManaByte
Member
Probably performance mode with the game installed on a secondary M2. There's a bug with asset streaming when the game is on a secondary.
Vick
Member
Thanks for the detailed response, all this does sound great. I wasn't really using all the gadgets in the first game except maybe for collecting Trophies.
She can't possibly be worse than MJ in the first one.. your description of BC perfectly fits MJ in that game as well.
Honestly, in my very personal and humble opinion, no Insomniac game ever looked as good or at least as cohesive as the first Spider-Man on PS4 Pro.
They are masters of RT on console no doubt but the SM Remaster was a rushed project full of artistic/visual downgrades across the entire damn game and DLCs, RT on windows was a notable exception but even that only made a welcome difference on close proximity, when it comes to far away buildings it actually looked worse than the OG solution, Miles Morales looked sterile and gamey as fuck, and nothing I've seen from SM2 look quite as photorealistic/pleasing to look at as the first one during dusk (TOD butchered in the Remaster).
If this PS4 Pro code was playable at 60fps it would be my favorite version by a country mile. And it actually still is even if only for the OG Peter.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Faust
Perpetually Tired
Thanks for the detailed response, all this does sound great. I wasn't really using all the gadgets in the first game except maybe for collecting Trophies.
She can't possibly be worse than MJ in the first one.. your description of BC perfectly fits MJ in that game as well.
Honestly, in my very personal and humble opinion, no Insomniac game ever looked as good or at least as cohesive as the first Spider-Man on PS4 Pro.
They are masters of RT on console no doubt but the SM Remaster was a rushed project full of artistic/visual downgrades across the entire damn game and DLCs, RT on windows was a notable exception but even that only made a welcome difference on close proximity, when it comes to far away buildings it actually looked worse than the OG solution, Miles Morales looked sterile and gamey as fuck, and nothing I've seen from SM2 look quite as photorealistic/pleasing to look at as the first one during dusk (TOD butchered in the Remaster).
If this PS4 Pro code was playable at 60fps it would be my favorite version by a country mile. And it actually still is even if only for the OG Peter.
I would say Black Cat is worse than MJ ever was in the first game. Some Minor Spoilers
When you meet Black Cat, she greets you with a sly/cocky/sarcastic comment and animations, then she turns 180 and starts freaking out with insults, trying to get under your skin, generally acting like a different person entirely.
Then you catch up with her, have a minor buddy up moment where you fight goons together and all her animations are her typical fun/sly/sexy moves, but then she constantly switches from insults to minor jokes to immediate insults again.
Then she disappears and the whole reason you met up with her is taken away and there was no payoff - at least yet. Maybe she returns later? This entire segment could have been taken out of the game and it would change *nothing*. Literally there was no point in this section and it had no bearing on the narrative at play thus far.
Then you catch up with her, have a minor buddy up moment where you fight goons together and all her animations are her typical fun/sly/sexy moves, but then she constantly switches from insults to minor jokes to immediate insults again.
Then she disappears and the whole reason you met up with her is taken away and there was no payoff - at least yet. Maybe she returns later? This entire segment could have been taken out of the game and it would change *nothing*. Literally there was no point in this section and it had no bearing on the narrative at play thus far.
Vick
Member
Damn..
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
"our next news at 11"
This from Spider-Man 2?
Jesus Fucking Christ thats alot of Inclusions.
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Sleepwalker
Member
OMG we so need a throw up emoji stat.
Im calling it Wolverine is gonna be nowhere near as good as Raven Software's 2008 game.
Senua
Member
Yep
Barakov
Member
Fuck this game. Also, fuck Insomniac for thinking this was a good idea.
