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NHL 2011-2012 Offseason thread of Cash Rules Everything Around Me
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This pronto Burke and Nonis!
SuperSonic1305
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Hopefully we will see Lupul with his shirt off mmmmmm
A guy working for French sports TV has guaranteed that the Habs won't pick grigorenko and that it is between Galchenyuk and Forsberg. Hopefully we get Galchenuyuk some scouts have said he could have challenged Yakupov for #1 overall if he was healthy.
Good article / opinion piece on Hodgson / Canucks situation:
http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/teams...son+unhappy+problem+solved/6543940/story.html
http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/teams...son+unhappy+problem+solved/6543940/story.html
Hodgson's numbers with the Sabres over 20 games don't really matter. He was effective as a Canuck. Kassian was not.
Yeah he isn't going anywhere.
I wanna see where Kessel keeps his cookies.
In his last 13 games as a Canuck, he had 3 points. He came up big in those couple of big games (like the Boston one) during the season because all the efforts from the other team were spent on the top 2 lines.
Hodgson was this year's Kesler, fan favorite. Had nothing to do with his performance as it wasn't consistent, it wasn't 2 way and was being outpaced by players like Higgins who had just as little ice time. He will be a solid 2nd line center on a mid-range team, but he wouldn't be able to crack the top 2 lines on a high performance team with good center players and who also need their players to be responsible in their own end. (i.e. VAN, PIT, NYR, BOS, DET, TBL, etc)
Kassian is a future piece, a prospect (not a Schneider "prospect" but an actual prospect). Re-evaluate in 1-2 years.
SPIN SPIN SPIN
Tabris said:
He was a rookie, not to mention among the top rookie scorers despite his ice time. You knew this. Then he was traded.
Irrelevant. Playoff teams don't make mid-season trades for an immediate loss and eventual gain.Tabris said:
I would vote for every player to win any award on the Canucks, that has nothing to do with anything. I do think he's a good player though, same as Kassian will be. If you also looked at my other posts at that time, CCF23 was making crazy comments like Hodgson has the best shot on the team and I was trying to ground him back to reality.
Hodgson wouldn't have been a positive in the playoffs. He would have been a liability against Stoll, Kopitar or Richards.
Hodgson wouldn't have been a positive in the playoffs. He would have been a liability against Stoll, Kopitar or Richards.
HadesGigas
Member
Well, surely having Hodgson on the team wouldn't have made them WORSE in the playoffs, would it? I can't imagine how that'd be possible.
Maybe they'd score a power play goal or two and wouldn't have Kassian sitting on the bench for 57 minutes.
Maybe they'd score a power play goal or two and wouldn't have Kassian sitting on the bench for 57 minutes.
You're making the wrong comparison. The accurate comparison is Pahlson to Hodgson. That was the actual trade for the Canucks, Kassian wasn't meant to replace Hodgson now.
Because people had the nerve to compare him to Daniel Sedin.
Doesn't change the fact that your old posts totally contradict your most recent 'assessment'. It's all spin from you. At least with the Destiny stuff it's just some tired schtick. This stuff is outright biased delusion.
Doesn't change the fact that your old posts totally contradict your most recent 'assessment'. It's all spin from you. At least with the Destiny stuff it's just some tired schtick. This stuff is outright biased delusion.
They don't at all. I still think he's a good player, but he proved to be inconsistent and couldn't keep up that fire he had going for that 10-20 games.
You can probably find posts of me saying Luongo for Vezina this year btw, I would have every Canuck player win the end of year awards.
EDIT - Also you haven't refuted any of my facts. Common Socreges "I can't argue this" tactic, comment on poster instead of post.
Why bother typing out the details when I can just put your posts next to each other and let them do the damage themselves? If you're so dense that the dramatic change in tone/praise/focus/expectations isn't evident, then you can't be helped either way.
Now, I'll leave you to your spinning.
Once again, you are comparing posts from when he was hot to when he became inconsistent. And you only showed one post where I agreed with CCF23 that he was really good at the time, and the other where I acclaimed he should win the Calder (once again when hot).
Find me a poster on NHL GAF that hasn't made exaggerated comments when a player was hot. My posts were also most likely the most tempered of all Canucks GAF.
Finally we are talking about now, not back then, which you can't refute my comments about the last 33 games with both Canucks and Sabres.
Find me a poster on NHL GAF that hasn't made exaggerated comments when a player was hot. My posts were also most likely the most tempered of all Canucks GAF.
Finally we are talking about now, not back then, which you can't refute my comments about the last 33 games with both Canucks and Sabres.
I'm comparing Canucks-era posts (including the January ones where you call him a "great player" from whom you expect "good things in the future") to your Sabres-era post which was you downplaying his success (he was just a 3rd liner exploiting a tired opponent) and saying he will never crack the top six of a "high performance team with good center players".
Dastardly Jerks
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Tabris, you're wrong about everything. NEXT.
So this guy is the new Habs GM and it got buried within a sea of Canucks hopefuly "would be"isms (and good Socreges posts, burn).
DUDE SPEAKS FRENCH.
Shame, I was looking forward to seeing Pierre Mcguire as the Habs GM.
A bit about Bergevin from the Globe & Mail:
Oh.. so he would've been as knowledgeable about hockey as Mcguire anyway. Without less creep factor.
And only now do I figure out who he looks like...
So this guy is the new Habs GM and it got buried within a sea of Canucks hopefuly "would be"isms (and good Socreges posts, burn).
DUDE SPEAKS FRENCH.
Shame, I was looking forward to seeing Pierre Mcguire as the Habs GM.
A bit about Bergevin from the Globe & Mail:
Oh.. so he would've been as knowledgeable about hockey as Mcguire anyway. Without less creep factor.
And only now do I figure out who he looks like...
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Best choice of the final three. Solo is very pleased if this gets confirmed.
I dunno man, best option is to bury him
Buying out still saps $11 million cap across 4 years
yankeehater
Member
Yeah but they could at least replace him with a potentially productive player.
KernelPanic
Member
Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com
2012-13: $3,523,810
2013-14: $4,523,810
2014-15: $1,666,667
2015-16: $1,666,667
Ouch
2012-13: $3,523,810
2013-14: $4,523,810
2014-15: $1,666,667
2015-16: $1,666,667
Ouch
Even that's debatable. Not having him on the ice at all can only improve the Habs.
yankeehater
Member
The cap will go up by more then that amount each of the last 2 years for sure. That is a great deal for the Habs.
A guy from the French press confirmed they aren't picking Grigroenko anyways.
That's hardly "confirmation". Do you really think Timmins is going around and telling the press who he would like to draft? Not to mention that Bergevin will now be able to give his opinions to Timmins.
I hope Grigorenko doesn't fall to the Leafs. The attitude problems scare me.
Roy, Roy, Roy, Roy
Lone_Prodigy
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I don't think we'll ever hear the end of the Hodgson/Kassian trade as long as both players are still in the league. You can't really compare Hodgson's stats when he's on a new team against new opponents.
I don't think Hodgson would've helped against LA, and I also think that Gillis pulled the trigger on the deal at the deadline rather than in the offseason because the opportunity may not have manifested in the future.
I don't think Hodgson would've helped against LA, and I also think that Gillis pulled the trigger on the deal at the deadline rather than in the offseason because the opportunity may not have manifested in the future.
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