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NHL 2011-2012 Offseason thread of Cash Rules Everything Around Me
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KernelPanic
Member
Bergevin says it's 'necessary and important to have a head coach who is bilingual'.
Not quite.
SpectreFire
Member
Habs not buying out Gomez's contract apparently.
Nothing is confirmed either way. That's just MacKenzie's opinion.
What else is he suppose to say? A GM can't redefine the Montreal media.
SpectreFire
Member
Still, it wouldn't make sense for them to buy his contract out if they could just bury him. Having that much dead space on their cap isn't good for them, especially when they'll need to sign on another top six forward to replace him.
CrazedArabMan
Member
Well aren't they an unrestricted free agent then and can sign with another team, thus making the buyout money as well as whatever new contract they might acquire. Also yes, it might be nicer since it gives them freedom and they aren't stuck playing in the minors. Of course they may not even get a contract with another team and are forced to go to another league or something to that nature.
Right. But is that it? The only benefit I can see for the organization is that by treating their players well they put themselves in a better position for future signings.
KernelPanic
Member
It saves the owner money. Rich teams may be able to afford/justify paying a player millions to play in the minors, others may not. It is a waste of a few million dollars though, some owners may not want to piss away millions for nothing.
Even if money is not an issue, you may not want a bitter player who's been banished to the minors interacting with your prospects who are also down there.
Finally the next CBA may not allow burying contracts in the minors. Might as well buy them out now while you can.
Thank you.
How come the buyout saves more money than placing a player in the minors? With a buyout, do they not need to pay the remaining salary?
Correct. You only have to pay 2/3 of the value over twice as many years as the rest of the contract.
Putting him in the minors means paying his money for the next two years for the full amount.
How come? It's a buyout.
CrazedArabMan
Member
My only thing is though, aren't the Canadians a richer team though? It would make sense for a team like Florida or something, but for Montreal they have the money to pay and wait it out. But yeah the bitterness is also a factor here as well and I didn't think about the new CBA.
yankeehater
Member
I love you. lol
It's a benefit! Not one to prioritize, but still a benefit.
Guaranteed I'll forgot about the 2/3 buyout thing a few days from now. I swear I've been reminded about that about five times now.
Hopefully he's a bust.
yodathesoda
Member
With a base salary of $925,000 it's a fantastic signing.
It's a good signing for sure. If he happens to do well, then he gets $3.75M which he'll have likely earned. Just naturally hoping he doesn't pan out since it's the Flames. I guess since it's just one year, though, and it's not like the Flames will make the playoffs either way... doesn't really matter.
I wonder if the Flames outbid the Leafs etc. or if they just promised him more ice time. I'm guessing he wanted as much exposure as possible since he'll be a UFA (I think?) in 2013.
He already said Randy will remain as an assistant coach until he hires a new coach who will decide his fate, and I hope he signs Price and Subban before the draft.
ZeroGravity
Member
Best owner in hockey.
Pretty jealous. All we have are scumbag telecommunications companies co-owning the Leafs (and the Raptors, TFC, and Marlies).
The ACC had a giant screen installed outside a year ago. It's really cool, and they've actually held movie nights there last summer. During the season, bleachers were placed outside for people to watch the game.
KernelPanic
Member
He can't possibly be turning a profit or breaking even down there can he ?
Lightning have a $60M payroll, last year the lightning generators, no playoffs this year and now a huge screen ?
SpectreFire
Member
Guys, I found female Tabris.
Montreal won't buy out Gomez. I would be surprised if they did. They have the money. They won't buy him out especially with a new CBA and a hint of an amnesty clause or how contracts will work.
It's an expensive toy. I would say more than half aren't making money (or at least making a significant amount. Most teams don't make a real amount of money. And just over a 1/3 lose money.
Here is a 2008 from Forbes on Operating Income vs Revenue. Yes, some teams have changed but for example, Phoenix was losing 25-30 million a year from 09-11. Buffalo lost 5.6 million.
SpectreFire
Member
Here's the Forbes charts from 2011: http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/#p_1_s_d6_
According to this, only 6 teams are making significant revenue ($10 million+)
Habs can easily eat Gomez's contract. Buying him out and having deadspace on their cap hurts them more than the dollar amount.
Guys, I found female Tabris.
That is tabris...
wtf red wings
i expected them to make way more, aren't red wings most popular team in USA?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Wow didnt think Ottawa was that bad.
Thats what you get for building an arena in the middle of nowhere.
Edit: Oh its 2011 data.
SpectreFire
Member
KernelPanic
Member
Not like they had a choice, you see the clusterfuck over Landsdowne and how long that's going on.
We're about middle of the pack and +income and value going up so that's pretty darn good if u look at the rest of the list. The owner makes money off the arena and the events even if the team loses money.
Rick Dudley was on the radio this morning saying he believes that Timmins is one of the elite talent evaluators in the league, and that Bergevin is in the top 1% in the league in the same regard. Great news to have effective scouts at the top, one of the Habs biggest problems these last few years has been their inability to properly develop prospects. Seems like only a matter time until Dudley joins Marc in Montreal as well.
That might still be a problem. Scouting =/= development. We've always done fine at finding players under Timmins. Now we've gotten even better with Bergie and Dudley, but again, that's all on the talent finding end, not the talent nurturing end.
Habs have the worst prospect pool yet in the NHL yet they have more draftees through our system who became NHLers since 2000 than any other team. That alone tells you we're great at judging talent, but our management of it is abysmal. We find the players and then either trade them foolishly or run them out of town, and they find success elsewhere.
Habs have the worst prospect pool yet in the NHL yet they have more draftees through our system who became NHLers since 2000 than any other team. That alone tells you we're great at judging talent, but our management of it is abysmal. We find the players and then either trade them foolishly or run them out of town, and they find success elsewhere.
Kuro Madoushi
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Great at trades too. I mean, getting Gomez was a STEAL!
Btw, you guys want Comasarek back?
Dudley was at the Marlies game tonight with Burke and Poulin so I wouldn't be so quick to assume that he'll be leaving any time soon. Besides that one speculative tweet by Dreger, there hasn't really been any talk (that I'm aware of) concerning the possibility of him joining the Habs.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Burrows may have gotten a concussion. Great.
CrazedArabMan
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The Internet
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I can't believe alot of Canadian fans are happy he got injured.
I hate Burrows, but you don't wish injury on anyone. He's representing our country.
You don't wish injury on anyone regardless.
You guys are a bunch of sensitive pansies /cakeboss
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