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NHL February 2014 |OT| The A on Dustin Brown's jersey stands for Asshole

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
He absolutely is. He's a first pairing shut down guy on most of the teams in the league and he plays against others teams best exclusively, shutting them down. And he plays the right side.
On most teams yea, but on most contenders, no. On which of these pairings does he knock the right side out:

Chara-Siedenberg
Fowler-Lovejoy
Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Keith - Seabrook
Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Dan Boyle
Orpik - Letang
Victor Hedman-Sami Salo

The only guys he would replace are Lovejoy and Salo, and I'm hesitant to even call Tampa a contender at this point.

Samyy said:
Yea I think your underestimating the guy no way he doesn't play on a first pairing dude on any team he has that potential.
Just as an example, how much does Seabrook benefit from playing with Kieth, and Seidenberg Chara - two of the best Dmen in the past couple of years. Who is that comparable on the Rangers that Girardi plays with? He has proven more then them IMO.
You think GM's are just going to put him on their first pairing automatically on a contending team? No, they don't want to fuck around with their team's chemistry this far into the season. Just because he's a great shutdown guy doesn't mean he automatically gets slotted into that first pairing role.
 
I wouldn't put him on the same level as Seidenberg at all, and hesitant to do the same with Seabrook. LA isn't a contender anymore.


That's cool, how's it like living in that area?

It is awesome. I got a really nice house super cheap. I love my job, I teach college classes at a gifted hich school, it is a lot different then teaching in Philly. Tons of places to go out in my area as well. Vegas is an awesome city.
 

calder

Member
You're right, McDavid will play his way on.

Edit: Ekblad makes five.

No post has disgusted or frightened me as much in months.

For the love of god though, at a certain point the NHL steps in and tells the Oilers they can't get anymore top 5 picks for a few years. Make a new rule, I don't care.
 

Samyy

Member
You think GM's are just going to put him on their first pairing automatically on a contending team? No, they don't want to fuck around with their team's chemistry this far into the season. Just because he's a great shutdown guy doesn't mean he automatically gets slotted into that first pairing role.

I don't think thats what we're trying to say at all man. I'm not saying that he would replace anyone on a contenders first pairing in actuality, just that he has the potential to play on those teams first pairings. Obviously those pairings would not change since they've had past success and theres the history/chemistry factor.

Theoretically, I think the pairings would improve with Girardi though, keeping all else fixed (chemistry etc.)
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
You're right, McDavid will play his way on.

Edit: Ekblad makes five.

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I beg you, no more.
 

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
It is awesome. I got a really nice house super cheap. I love my job, I teach college classes at a gifted hich school, it is a lot different then teaching in Philly. Tons of places to go out in my area as well. Vegas is an awesome city.
That's good to hear, I've always been curious what living in Vegas would be like. I haven't been yet, I'm hoping to make it down this summer at some point.

I don't think thats what we're trying to say at all man. I'm not saying that he would replace anyone on a contenders first pairing in actuality, just that he has the potential to play on those teams first pairings. Obviously those pairings would not change since they've had past success and theres the history/chemistry factor.

Theoretically, I think the pairings would improve with Girardi though, keeping all else fixed (chemistry etc.)
I agree that he has the potential, but that doesn't mean he will, and on those contending teams he won't, and if he's not going to play on your first pairing, then a GM is not going to pay the price of a first pairing D man. Maybe Anaheim pays the price, but I don't see the other contenders I listed doing it.
 

Marvie_3

Banned
On most teams yea, but on most contenders, no. On which of these pairings does he knock the right side out:

Chara-Siedenberg
Fowler-Lovejoy
Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Keith - Seabrook
Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Dan Boyle
Orpik - Letang
Victor Hedman-Sami Salo

The only guys he would replace are Lovejoy and Salo, and I'm hesitant to even call Tampa a contender at this point.
Salo can easily knock himself out of the lineup without any help from Girardi.
 

Quick

Banned
No post has disgusted or frightened me as much in months.

For the love of god though, at a certain point the NHL steps in and tells the Oilers they can't get anymore top 5 picks for a few years. Make a new rule, I don't care.

I could be imagining it, but wasn't there a rule being discussed about docking a team a couple of draft spots if they draft first overall three times in a row, or something similar?

This was a couple of seasons ago, so I really could be imagining it.
 
On most teams yea, but on most contenders, no. On which of these pairings does he knock the right side out:

Chara-Siedenberg
Fowler-Lovejoy
Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Keith - Seabrook
Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Dan Boyle
Orpik - Letang
Victor Hedman-Sami Salo

The only guys he would replace are Lovejoy and Salo.

You think GM's are just going to put him on their first pairing automatically on a contending team? No, they don't want to fuck around with their team's chemistry this far into the season. Just because he's a great shutdown guy doesn't mean he automatically gets slotted into that first pairing role.

He's as good or better than a bunch of those mentioned, Especially Fowler-Lovejoy.
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
I could be imagining it, but wasn't there a rule being discussed about docking a team a couple of draft spots if they draft first overall three times in a row, or something similar?

This was a couple of seasons ago, so I really could be imagining it.

How long are the Oilers going to keep rebuilding? It's getting kinda lame now.
 

Samyy

Member
Well Red lets agree to disagree!
Would love to have Girardi on the Leafs though, but obviously Clarkson makes this impossible. Oh and the fact that we're going to give Bolland 5 mil.
 

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
He's as good or better than a bunch of those mentioned, Especially Fowler-Lovejoy.
The only guys he's without a doubt better then on that list are Lovejoy and Salo. The others he's not or at best comparable. GM isn't going to pay a kings price for him and then stick him on their second pairing.

Well Red lets agree to disagree!
Would love to have Girardi on the Leafs though, but obviously Clarkson makes this impossible. Oh and the fact that we're going to give Bolland 5 mil.
I'd love to see him on the Habs too, I'd just be afraid to give him anything longer then 3-4 years with how he plays.
 

lamaroo

Unconfirmed Member
No post has disgusted or frightened me as much in months.

For the love of god though, at a certain point the NHL steps in and tells the Oilers they can't get anymore top 5 picks for a few years. Make a new rule, I don't care.

Then how would they rebuild??

Everybody knows the only way to rebuild properly is finishing last until you get a generational talent. One of these times they'll get it.
 

Acid08

Banned
Boyle doesn't play on our top pairing most of the time. But Pickles does so having Girardi there would be kind of redundant. If anyone has a good second pairing left side PMD let me know and I'll fax over the Havlat+5th trade papers.
 
The only guys he's without a doubt better then on that list are Lovejoy and Salo. The others he's not or at best comparable. GM isn't going to pay a kings price for him and then stick him on their second pairing.

I'd love to see him on the Habs too, I'd just be afraid to give him anything longer then 3-4 years with how he plays.

Whatever you say man. Right now, more teams are calling about Girardi than Callahan.
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
Then how would they rebuild??

Everybody knows the only way to rebuild properly is finishing last until you get a generational talent. One of these times they'll get it.

Except for the Leafs. I've had the misfortune of being raised in Ontario and knowing in depth what the annual Leafs cycle looked like until...well, last year actually. Shitty end of year standing, but not shitty enough for that first or second pick.
 

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
Whatever you say man. Right now, more teams are calling about Girardi than Callahan.
I don't doubt a lot of teams are calling about him, he's what every team wants. Just saying I'll be surprised if one of those team's not named Anaheim or Tampa Bay paid a huge price for him.

I feel like the Oilers are just doing it wrong.
They've gotten kind of unlucky with their 1st overall players comparative to other 1st overall's.
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Whatever you say man. Right now, more teams are calling about Girardi than Callahan.

Canucks would much rather have Callahan than Girardi, too. We have too many top4 d-men as it is. Of course most of them are always injured, but the point still stands.
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
I don't doubt a lot of teams are calling about him, he's what every team wants. Just saying I'll be surprised if one of those team's not named Anaheim or Tampa Bay paid a huge price for him.


They've gotten kind of unlucky with their 1st overall players comparative to other 1st overall's.

Kevin Lowe is a buffoon. McTavish seems like the only decent one there.
 

Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
Brian Lawton said:
I am hearing that it is not likely that Ryan Miller will be traded by the Deadline and the Sabres are turning attention towards re signing him
Why the hell would Miller stay in that shit hole.
 

Fei

Member
Why the hell would Miller stay in that shit hole.

Heh, believe it or not many players actually like it here. Though probably not at this particular moment.. But this is likely just a tactic by Buffalo, and a sign that Miller's market value isn't where they want it to be. I'm pretty sure Murray isn't interested in signing Miller long-term. The team is going to be terrible at least through next year, by the time they're ready, Miller will be past his prime.

Trade deadline will be interesting for Sabres-GAF. Everyone but the young core is on the table. Most likely guys to move are Miller, Moulson, Ott, and Tallinder. Ennis, Hodgson, and Myers are probably the second group which would be surprising, but they're not untouchable. Pretty much the only guys I would be shocked to see moved are Girgensons, Foligno, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Ehrhoff, Psyck. Their defensive corps will be fantastic in a couple years.
 
Gonna be doing a shitload less posting these next 3 months guys. This job is really good but really demanding, and the machines at work don't have internet.

Ducks gotta simp if they want Girardi.

AIN' HAPPNUN. But we are going to make some ridiculous trade at the deadline to cement that Stanley Cup run.

You know what would make hockey better? Blackjack and hookers.

As a matter of fact, forget the hockey!
 

Kuro Madoushi

Unconfirmed Member
Well, sounds like the Canadian D will be good for the next while at least.

I'm not sure what else can be said about Edm. They're pathetic. Granted, they have taken the consensus number 1 more or less when they had the pick with maybe Seguin as a maybe, but it's still simply not enough. The D is horrendous, the goaltending is better but I'm not sure it's enough, and the forwards are good offensively but terrible defensively.

Funny how when they had better defensive players and ok goaltending that they got to the Cup final. They had one fantastic run when Pronger and Peca were there, but they haven't had much luck since. Where are these big trades that were promised? Where are the defensive specialists? Where is the consensus stud #1 D man? Where is the leader on this team? Is RNH really worthy of being a no.1 C? It could be that they rushed all these kids in way too early and they're all turning into Daigles.

I'm of the mind Lowe, McT, and the rest there don't really know how to build a team at all.
Building through the draft can work, but did they take the right players? Toews, Kane, Keith and then Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fleury vs RNH, Hall, Yak, Nurse, Hemsky, Dubnyk. Just taking a quick look at the players taken in the later rounds and it's just a friggin train wreck. Their AHL team stinks and it was only when their NHL guys were on it was when they played well.

I think even Calgary without Iginla and Kip are a better team and are making better choices at the draft.
 

ShaneB

Member
It is awesome. I got a really nice house super cheap. I love my job, I teach college classes at a gifted hich school, it is a lot different then teaching in Philly. Tons of places to go out in my area as well. Vegas is an awesome city.
Not sure I could live in Vegas, but definitely sounds like you're living the good life. Grants man, I'm jealous!

You'll have to tell us how good rooftop hockey is.
 
I loved Vegas when I went 6 years ago, though I would probably have an even better time now since I'm older. Rooftop hockey sounds very interesting especially if it was an open air rink, though a puck shot over the glass could fall off the building and kill someone on the street.
 
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