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NHL February 2015 |OT| The next Maple Leafs goal will be scored by Connor McDavid
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This is a good quote from Dave Tippett that demonstrates why guys like Norrissonare so valuableand Gardiner
The NYR Fancy Stats are pretty interesting along these lines this year, too. Take a look at where our #5-7 Dmen (Boyle, J.Moore, Hunwick) are compared to our #1-4 D.
In particular, Dan Boyle, a guy who was brought in to be an offensively minded puck moving defenseman, vs. Dan Girardi, a guy who is considered a shot-blocking top line shutdown D.
McDonagh, Staal, and Girardi suck. Obviously.
You can't just look at that number without context, is it purely 5v5? Does Dan Boyle see lots of PP time? How is he being deployed 5v5? Is he getting primarily offensize zone starts (being shielded) and is Girardi primarily starting in the dzone? What kind of competition are the two seeing?
The thing I think a lot of people critical of the statistics don't understand is that, these stats can't just be like dropped to use and make absolute statements without being applied in the proper context. That is an inherent weakness to stats like Corsi, it is not WAR or something.
For instance that Dan Boyle does see a much higher portion of offensize zone starts and faces easier competition when compared with Girardi, Staal, McDonagh, which likely results in him having that great SAT.
Yeah, I know, it's just amusing to me. I believe NHL.com counts its Corsi as 5v5.
According to NHL's fancy stats, Dan Girardi gets the most offensive starts at 49%. Hunwick at 48%. Boyle, McDonagh, Staal at 47%. Kevin Klein at 45%. John Moore at 41%.
So Girardi starts in the offensive zone the most and has by far the worst 5v5 Corsi.
EDIT: Ha. Maybe the NHL's zone start stats are just fucked?
CrazedArabMan
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Oh trust me, I was brought in to just transfer data from our old business management software to SAP and it was a pain, but I picked it up really quick and now I'm the go to guy for anything SAP related in the entire company so yeah... but it is a love hate relationship with the software, it just takes getting use to.
HOLY SHIT (From the Pics that make you laugh thread)
Datsyuk looks... uh.... different.
I am OK with that I think
I'll never get tired of this gif
It might be...
war-on-ice.com has Dan Boyle at almost +20% offensize zone starts relative to the team, Girardi -8.7% relative.
Behind the Net has Dan Boyle at 65% offensize zone starts, Girardi at 45%
The next step would be to compare Girardi to peers on different teams facing similar deployment.
CreeperBlocks
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Found a new Gif.
I think MimicoHero's UA Corsi charts do that
Haven't read much about usage adjusted stats but here it is, doesn't paint a good picture for Girardi.
T.M. MacReady
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Dat late Isles goal to send it to OT. Noice
lol now I feel stoned
Coldnoodle
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Haven't read much about usage adjusted stats but here it is, doesn't paint a good picture for Girardi.
What site is this.
Coldnoodle
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We have some real idiots for fans.
4 more years for him and he's already 30 :lol it seems like most people knew this was a bad contract from the get go.Haven't read much about usage adjusted stats but here it is, doesn't paint a good picture for Girardi.
Edit: Emelin is trash
Subban is God tier
I'm waiting for them to make the "push" then inevitably falling just short of the mark.
talisayNon
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Girardi is terrible under pressure and is terrible handling the puck/playing the style AV wants to play.
His terrible fancy stats are ancillary reasons for his terribleness, but doesn't help his case.
He was a big reason for the loss in the SCF last year. He was crap. Hopefully we'll be able to jettison him in a couple of years, but with that contract...
His terrible fancy stats are ancillary reasons for his terribleness, but doesn't help his case.
He was a big reason for the loss in the SCF last year. He was crap. Hopefully we'll be able to jettison him in a couple of years, but with that contract...
I fully expect this.
wut?
So according to this, Weirdcock is a #1 pairing dman? the fuck. If anyone has watched any of his games this year they will see he is far from that. I still like him than half of our dman like Cowshit, Gryballs and Borodick, but this is where advanced stats loses me. The eyetest says hes an ok #4 on our team.
Holy shit, I didn't actually think it would be that bad.
I wonder what Phaneuf's table looks like.
Oh.
It's like some of those bars were trying to go through the axis on the left :lol
wut?
So according to this, Weirdcock is a #1 pairing dman? the fuck. If anyone has watched any of his games this year they will see he is far from that. I still like him than half of our dman like Cowshit, Gryballs and Borodick, but this is where advanced stats loses me. The eyetest says hes an ok #4 on our team.
See as I mentioned I haven not read up on usage adjusted stats, so I can't really explain in depth what were seeing here.
Based on more of the traditional numbers Weircoch plays shielded minutes with favourable zone-starts but seems to excel in that role so your assessment appears to be sound. Very similar to Jake Gardiner in that regard.
Coldnoodle
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I wonder what Phaneuf's table looks like.
Oh.
holy shit
I believe it's unaltered Fenwick Against per 60. Could be wrong though.
I believe its Usage Adjusted Fenwick Against per 60
That makes more sense.
CreeperBlocks
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compare that to Patches.
SuperSonic1305
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What ever happened to that don cherry commies gif?
CreeperBlocks
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I KNOW.
I been looking for it since the world juniors.
I was gonna spam it when we won Gold...
