Simon Belmont
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If this continues this is going to be a special, special year and I can't wait to yell at you fucks about it.
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If this continues this is going to be a special, special year and I can't wait to yell at you fucks about it.
Fata1moose
Banned
I've been salty since we were mathematically eliminated in game 1 and we won that game.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Y'all some vicious motherfuckers lol
YOU HEARD ME YOU NEGATIVE NANCY
Just keeping it real. Our team still isn't anywheres good enough, we still have a crappy GM and worse coach. These are the facts.
It's the only way to survive this place
ElephantShell
Banned
Dopey's ramblings are considered facts now?
Leafs fan recommending the Habs throw away all of their young players / prospects? 🤔
We'll even throw in Hunwick.
Reckheim
Member
yeh, do it!
You gotta save more than 90% of your shots against if you want to get paid.
We all just really want to rename Bergevin, JFJ2.
alternative facts, yes
bonesmccoy
Banned
Sergachev and Fucale for Hanzal. Centre is the most important position after all.
It won't be an alternative fact when our braindead GM trades Galchenyuk + Juulsen + 2016 1st for Duchene in the next 2 weeks.
I'm wavering on the Leafs now. I came into this season thinking they had 0 chance of making the playoffs, then by January I thought they had a great chance of making it, now I'm 50/50 on the chances. If they don't string together some wins soon I can see it all falling apart and my September evaluation being correct.
sure.
You're basing this on his non-existant track record of making trades that stupid?
his worst trades weren't even in the same ballpark as something that stupid and the only "big" trade he made was a 1 for 1, that we arguably lost but that is debatable. Get your head outta your ass, Marinaro
if your going to shit on Bergevin, shit on him for the trades he never made
ElephantShell
Banned
Actually to be fair to Dopey he wasn't the only one on the Marincin train when we got him, I shouldn't single him out on that one.
Fancy stats nerds helped propagate that alternative fact.
Bergevin has been on the job for a few years now. His time is running out to make a splash and he'll feel the heat. Given that the team is floundering for a 2nd straight season he might try and make a huge deal to shake things up and save his job. That's how the worst deals are made, by a desperate GM who knows his ass is on the line.
We actually have two goalies who haven't done over two thirds of the season. Not surprisingly, neither of them have been extended.
Mason - .900 (was .918 last year)
Neuvirth - .897 (was .924 last year)
but until that's a reality i'll stick to what we know, and what we know is that he's a big pussy when it comes to trading important, non-Subban assets
I can recall at least 2-3 times where he showed up in a press conference angry that some other dumb GM made a ridiculous offer to undercut him, he's like that
I honestly don't think Bergevin's ass is on the line in any way. If they do a 1st / 2nd round exit, Therrien is gone, and Bergevin will get a chance with another coach.
This is true, for the most part he's done very well on the trade front. His biggest issue has been not filling in that 2nd line C position which has been a blatant need for a while now.
This second half of the season so compressed and with so many rookies will be a big test. Even if they make it, the playoff grind will be rough.
This is true, for the most part he's done very well on the trade front. His biggest issue has been not filling in that 2nd line C position which has been a blatant need for a while now.
This is eerily similar to the Subban situation and I believe it's going to play out the same way.
2012/2015: Subban/Galchenyuk's ELC ends. Player asks for X dollars and Y term. Bergevin beats the player down to a 2 year bridge deal below market value, and publicly berates the player ("Subban has to play the right way"/"Galchenyuk may never play centre")
2013/2016: One year into the bridge deal, both players have career years, Subban wins Norris/Galchenyuk scores 30 goals.
2014/2017: In the second year of the bridge deal, both players again produce, Subban gets a Norris nom/Galchenyuk is as high as Top 5 in scoring before his injury. Then the following summer, Bergevin and Subban go to war again, Bergevin finally only caving when the owner steps in. You can be damn sure that this would happen again this summer with Galchenyuk, but I don't think it's going to get that far. He's not the bonafide star (yet anyways) that Subban is, and it's abundantly clear when I watch the games that Therrien doesn't like the player, much like Subban. On top of all of that, throw in the historic collapse of last year, this year's mini collapse, the pressure to win now in the wake of the Subban trade, and yeah....I smell that something is up here.
And for the record, Bergevin's worst move wasn't a trade, it was how he handled the Subban situation in 2012, again in 2014, and again in 2016.
And don't get me wrong, Duchene is a much more proven player, isn't that much older, and has a good contract. So obviously I'd love to have him. But my problem is I don't know if I believe that the team is any better with Duchene than with AGally. Duchene will be fed the same spare part wingers that Galchenyuk has had.
Personally I'd rather land a winger to put with AGally than trade centre for centre.
Personally I'd rather land a winger to put with AGally than trade centre for centre.
I honestly think you're comparing apple an oranges here, Subban's problem with the team were waaaaaaaaay beyond just Therrien not liking him. The management had issues with him on the ice, off the ice, in the TV studios, in the clubs, on social medias, in the locker room, etc
Galchenyuk is just a good center and Therrien doesn't like him because he's streaky and he apparently doesn't want to do overtime in the gym
i'd bet easy money on Galchenyuk not being traded, you guys are just panicking. And yes the Subban situation was poorly managed, I agree
ElephantShell
Banned
I would say JVR but if he does get traded I really hope it's out of the division. I just know he'd kill the Leafs every time they play (not that the Habs needs any help killing the Leafs)
Unhandled Exception
Member
Landeskog will look so handsome in a habs uniform
Landeskog is lowkey the player I actually want
Unhandled Exception
Member
He'll do fine in a not leadership role.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
why not, his stats are similar to the other doofus, whatever that means considering they're both playing for a shit team
Lone_Prodigy
Member
A 2C is probably the second-hardest position to fill in the league via trade (behind top-4 RHD).
Examples like this show that fancy stats still have a bit of a ways to go before maturing. I have no idea why the advanced stats guys love Marincin, he looks horrible out there.
I'd actualy like to see this happen rather than Duchene. Then we could roll
Patches-Danault (I hate that he's here, but MT loves him so he's not going anywhere)-Radulov
BGally-AGally-Landeskog
Or Lehkonen-AGally-Landeskog since BGally looks like a shell of his former self this year.
Which is why he hasn't been able to get one, and we don't have any prospects to fill that spot either.
Unhandled Exception
Member
Trade away the black guy, trade for the blue-eyed blonde guy. Yeah, that's a montreal move alright.
nah it just shows that people have to stop assuming that "good advanced stats = good at hockey"
IMO it's just as bad as people who keep hammering that we should bring back Andrei Kostitsyn because "he scored 20-25 goals"
See I can't agree with that because it somehow tries to single out "see fancy stats and corsi don't mean shit" meanwhile we have a lifetime of proof the old way fails us just as much.
Reckheim
Member
He compliments a skilled puck moving defense man quite well as he stays in his zone and usually somehow manages to put his stick in the right place (while looking like a clown doing it).
As soon as you put him on the third line with a less skilled defensman the real Marincin shows him self (he is forced to actually try and make a play out of his zone). The problem being is that he isn't good enough to be on the first or second line and he gets exposed on the third line. So in theory he belongs in the AHL unfortunately.
They should trade their native goaltender too
Are you talking about Subban or Smith-Pelly?
Habs traded away 2 black players last year
Unhandled Exception
Member
Shit I forgot all about DSP. But it's cool, a brief look at his stats tells me he forgot too.
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