Circana February 2025: #1 MH Wilds, #2 KCD II, #3 Civ VII, #4 PGA Tour 2K25, #7 Avowed, #8 Pirate Yakuza ; PS5 #1 Units + Rev, XBS #2 Units + Rev
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Killjoy-NL
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Others like Tango?We've still been waiting for the imminent closure of Ninja Theory for a year... And yet others that weren't in the cards before have closed...
I've also never seen anyone expecting Ninja Theory to be shut down.
Xbox is dying though.
Just for arguments sake:
If you were a shareholder of Xbox, you'd be perfectly fine with how things are going?
Ms trained their audience not to buy games,
Instead of game pass ms should have focused on leveraging Bethesda from day 1 of the generation ,
ms should have been gaining ground on sony but thanks to their focus on anything but selling software sony gobbled up probably 1/3 of their user base
Synastry
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No as far as I can remember they don't.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Like I said, I don't think multiplatform games will prevent the other shoe from dropping.
They're only going to get 70% of the revenue from these games and that's assuming the game doesn't use unreal engine, in which case you're dropping another 5%, so your take home is only 65% less any other middleware licensing agreements, advertising, e.t.c.
Unless you're a primary money maker for Microsoft/Xbox/ABK/Zenimax, I don't see them keeping you operational moving forward.
Tango was closed before Hellblade 2, and in that time, MS has created several new studios and hired others for new projects...Others like Tango?
LoL. What a surprise? You ever heard people announce the imminent closure of Ninja Theory, despite the fact that you have a multitude of threads where people were even betting on when it would be announced? Surprise? No, it's you being you.
And Sony closes Studios even though it is supposedly very successfulHow is it? If MS closes studios it's because their business isn't successful... But if Sony closes even more studios it's because it's too successful and doesn't need them and is good anti Woke deccisions based?
??? I assume you're also unaware that MS is releasing games on every existing platform?
While others are trying to convince Sony shareholders that the PS user base is more than sufficient and doesn't even need to release games on PC... (the reality is different, but it's just a discussion
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yea, if you read the OP it’s counting physical + digital.
Woopah
Member
Cicana's job is to sell data. People who want the full platform splits have to pay for it, so
BennyBlanco
is right that goal is to get subscribers.It would be amazing if installbase could pay and get access, but subscribers aren't allowed to share the data publicly.
I believe bundle revenue is counted as hardware revenue. So it won't help Astroboto in the software revenue chart.Good question. I was sure they did, but I don't really know now. Any idea about that?Woopah
There's no reason to doubt it. Circana gets the physical data from several retailers and the digital data directly from Capcom.
Killjoy-NL
Member
That doesn't change much.Tango was released before Hellblade 2, and in that time, MS has created several new studios and hired others for new projects...
I'm actually one of the few who defended and supported Ninja Theory ever since the acquisition, through the lead-up to and launch of Hellblade 2 and who is still looking forward to the PS5 release.
Even when the Xbox fanbase itself distanced themselves from the game.
How is this relevant?
Who are those others???? I assume you're also unaware that MS is releasing games on every existing platform?
While others are trying to convince Sony shareholders that the PS user base is more than sufficient and doesn't even need to release games on PC... (the reality is different, but it's just a discussion
Because I've seen nobody even imply what you just said.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Cicana's job is to sell data. People who want the full platform splits have to pay for it, so
It would be amazing if installbase could pay and get access, but subscribers aren't allowed to share the data publicly.
I believe bundle revenue is counted as hardware revenue. So it won't help Astroboto in the software revenue chart.
There's no reason to doubt it. Circana gets the physical data from several retailers and the digital data directly from Capcom.
It would be the easiest thing to circumvent though. Just post the results on 4chan or twitter and then quote the 4chan post in your thread. I think 10k is just too steep for hobbyists.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it's just US though.
I wonder if physical maybe sells more elsewhere
?? It changes a lot, meaning studios are constantly being opened and closed, rightly or wrongly. The reality is that if you close two studios but open three... the message and argument are different. When it's MS, you seem to only remember the ones it's closing.
At a time when studio closures aren't even tied to the business situation of the specific publisher... As I said, a fun discussion.
And? That doesn't change anything. The reality is, there are enough threads here where people were betting on when Ninja Theory closed would be announced. But, coincidentally, it seems you never heard about it...I'm actually one of the few who defended and supported Ninja Theory ever since the acquisition, through the lead-up to and launch of Hellblade 2 and who is still looking forward to the PS5 release.
Even when the Xbox fanbase itself distanced themselves from the game.
Ohh, surprise, more things you've never heard of....
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Killjoy-NL
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Except, again, Xbox is dying.?? It changes a lot, meaning studios are constantly being opened and closed, rightly or wrongly. The reality is that if you close two studios but open three... the message and argument are different. When it's MS, you seem to only remember the ones it's closing.
Underperform and you might get closed.
That's just common sense.
Do you even have a point to make?
If you say so.
I haven't seen people claim closure for NT and I myself still consider them to be a great studio and even tried to warn people not to expect a generation-defining game, because it's just not that kind of studio.
So no idea why you try to make it seem like I have some hidden agenda in this particular case?
You're not even making any sense.Ohh, surprise, more things you've never heard of....
Like you're having a brain-malfunction by the mere idea of a possible closure or lay-offs at Obsidian.
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Klayzer
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Can't really remember, but didn't one of the participating console makers, ask NPD to not publicly reveal those numbers?
Woopah
Member
Potentially, I just think that if it was that easy to leak then more data would come out. I know there was a user who used to leak data on Neogaf back in the day, but I haven't seen them in a while.
But yes you're right that 10k is too steep for hobbyists like me.
Because he wants people to pay for that information
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
And Sony closes Studios even though it is supposedly very successfulHow is it? If MS closes studios it's because their business isn't successful... But if Sony closes even more studios it's because it's too successful and doesn't need them and is good anti Woke deccisions based?
It's always interesting to see into the mind of a fanatic.
Two studios close, so in your mind they must close for the same reason.
Sony generally gives studios a lot of latitude before closing them, especially if they have an established track record. Firewalk had no track record and thus received no latitude. If you look at London Studios of Pixelopus or Neon Koi. They were all closed without being particularly productive or critically acclaimed.
Microsoft shutdown Tango after HiFi Rush a game with an 87 on metacritic where most of their games are struggling to hit 80.
Microsoft two highest rated games in recent history were HiFi Rush and Indiana Jones and 87 and and 86.
Sony shutting down Media Molecule and Bend Studio won't be the same as Microsoft shutting down The Initiative, Halo Studios, or Turn10 Studios. These are premium studios for Microsoft.
fallingdove
Member
Love to see KCD2 doing well. Such a great game.
Except, Xbox is not dying, Xbox console sales are.... Xbox games are not limited for Xbox console user base.
Xbox games are released on all platforms, so defending and ensuring that the reason for the closure of Studios is based on the lack of user base and Xbox consoles sales is.... LOL.
As with any studio, regardless of the financial situation of the publisher it belongs to? But hey, let's pretend it's different with MS even though their games are now released on all platforms.
Surely my friend, no one here has ever bet or affirmed the closure of NT... They are inventions and agenda
On the contrary, in fact your answer makes even more sense.
Oh, now it was just for Obsidian's specific case... Didn't you realize that the idea was for any MS studio in general, and assuming that launching on all platforms isn't enough??? Speaking of brain function issues... LOL.Like you're having a brain-malfunction by the mere idea of a possible closure or lay-offs at Obsidian.
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Kacho
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RafterXL
Member
It's easy to doubt it. All you have to do is be a brand slave lunatic. After that you can convince yourself of anything, like industry professionals lying about sales just to taunt PS fans.
Kacho
Gold Member
I don't even think they're doubting it. What I'm seeing is more "b-b-bu why don't you share more splits on other games" because this time it isn't favorable for PlayStation. Mat even responded to it lol.
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Killjoy-NL
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Clearly Xbox' strategy doesn't seem to be sustainable without actually releasing games on PS and/or Nintendo as well.
Avowed and Indy's performances don't indicate much success and people are already awaiting the PS releases to see how they will perform.
There barely have been any Xbox games actually released on PS yet though and the few that did haven't exactly set any records.
Only Blops 6 sold good, because it's COD and iirc PS5 accounted for about 64% of it's revenue.
But yeah, already stated that underperforming studios are always at risk of closure or seeing lay-offs.
You're not making a point here.
THough we do know that Avowed (and Indy) isn't a great success.
That's not what I said, did I?Surely my friend, no one here has ever bet or affirmed the closure of NT... They are inventions and agenda
I'm just saying that I didn't see those, as I'm not as invested in Xbox discussions as you are, or as you think I am.
I, as in me, was talking about Avowed and Obsidian.
Mibu no ookami
was talking plural.Then again, I can see MachineGames being discussed as well, so it's not like what he said is outside the realm of possibilities.
It's actually a very real possibility.
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ShadyAcshuns
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*way too much data excluded
Woopah
Member
Yes that's her! And yes I think we did get something a few months ago.
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Another price hike come August/September would be a good guess but more realistically I suspect just less greenlighting of high budget projects for GP. It's already happening.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
95% in the US?
SweetTooth
Gold Member
I don't even think they're doubting it. What I'm seeing is more "b-b-bu why don't you share more splits on other games" because this time it isn't favorable for PlayStation. Mat even responded to it lol.
So he doesn't provide splits unless it paints Sony in a bad light .. good to know
Also he will be hiding lots of splits in the future since PS5 is DOMINATING
Kacho
Gold Member
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Awww shit
Wasn't he part of the infamous discord with Leadbetter, Alex from DF and other XRat degenerates? My memory is fuzzy about that
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Awww shit
He's been on it for a while now.
Kacho
Gold Member
Not sure. My autism clearance isn't high enough.
DF is back to being your friend btw. They said all the right things about the Pro version of AssCreed Shadows.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The same way the PS5 Pro will do well, when haters say it's pointless.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
DF are Never my friends but when a console is this good, they can never deny a masterpiece no matter how much they hated it.
Also your autism will improve comes April once you pick up a Switch 2 lol
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I'm here for the monthly Portal update and am not disappointed.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry... The example of saying one thing and another without meaning to get out of the situation previously said? It is.
??
The point has always been clear: you're the one confusing them, just trying to direct it in a negative way, something that only applies to Xbox...
Studios close and others open depending not only on their performance, much more. Each one is a specific case and situation.
In Obsidian's case, it's unlikely to be shut down, as it's currently the most prolific studio and releases the most games in the shortest timeframe and with the fewest resources of any Xbox studio.
One of many here...
Post in thread 'When will Microsoft shut down Ninja Theory studio?' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/when...wn-ninja-theory-studio.1671006/post-269231939
but you just never saw anything?
. And yet I always see your participation in any kind of thread or mention related to XBOX....
?? You were referring to a quote from someone who was claiming an upcoming wave of studio closures and layoffs at XBOX based on console sales...
And about Obsidian, I highly doubt MS would close its most prolific and well-run studio. A studio that releases 5 games in 4 years and is about to release another one this very year...
?? He was claiming the imminent arrival of waves of studio closures and layoffs at Xbox/MS studios based solely on console sales, without even considering that Xbox game sales have long since ceased to be tied to Xbox console sales and users.
Well, the story of making things different and obscure for XBOX that is the same and applicable to any other publisher, or even more so these days.
Well, MachineGames is already making another game. Indiana Jones has been a critical success, and Goty material, and a PS5 version and DLC are on the way... I don't know what makes this one a strong candidate for closure soon compared to a multitude of others in even worse shape...
Ahhh, okay, it's an Xbox Studios!!!
And its actually a ver y real possibility that it won't happen ??
Just like Ninja Theory shut down, and here we are.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Funny, I see I'm post #5 in that thread.One of many here...
but you just never saw anything?
Guess I completely forgot about it.
As for the rest of your post, I'm too tired to be dealing with that nonsense.
Fact is that pretty much every single
Xbox release this gen underperformed, coming off last-gen where they ended with duds as well.
I wouldn't be surprised to see layoffs or closures for Obsidian or any other underperforming studio.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Now it makes sense why Capcom doesn’t allocate funds to PC ports…Yeah, for some reason Capcom's PC sales are through the roof. All 3 primary consoles combined sold less than PC last earnings.
Capcom has sold more units on PC in the first half of FY25 than on Nintendo Switch, PlayStation and Xbox combined
Capcom has shared its sales for the first half of FY25, and it appears that the big winner here was the PC platform.www.dsogaming.com
Wait, no it DOES NOT! Damn you, Capcom.
Also, good for Warhorse! Those are good metrics!
“The launch month dollar sales total Kingdom Come: Deliverance II reached in February 2025 was more than 5 times higher than that the original Kingdom Come: Deliverance achieved during its February 2018 debut.“
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Outside of CoD, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Halo, and maybe Gears and Forza Horizon... I doubt any new high budget projects will be greenlit. So it begs the question what to do with AAA studios outside of those franchises.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
MH Wilds perf vs World in dollar sales
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Funny, I see I'm post #5 in that thread.
Guess I completely forgot about it.
As for the rest of your post, I'm too tired to be dealing with that nonsense.
Fact is that pretty much every single
Xbox release this gen underperformed, coming off last-gen where they ended with duds as well.
I wouldn't be surprised to see layoffs or closures for Obsidian or any other underperforming studio.
Kacho
Gold Member
Weird to say that and not mention the price difference.MH Wilds perf vs World in dollar sales
lughnasadh123
Member
Seems a bit premature to be talking studio closures until we see the full force of putting Xbox games on PS5/Switch 2.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MH Wilds perf vs World in dollar sales
MH World also didn't launch on PC until later that year, Wilds has an additional platform, and that additional platform is where it made most of its money.
