I personally blame Ballard.
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I personally blame Ballard.
TemplaerDude
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Tied for second in rookie goals with less ice time than you can shake a stick at?
Carter Ashton for Keith Aulie sounds like a really decent trade. Turn an organizational strength (depth at defense) into something that the organization lacks (good forward prospects). A shame regardless, because I wanted to see Aulie succeed with the Leafs! Oh well.
The next step is to sign Grabovski to a reasonable price.
Do any Leaf fans feel good about Toronto's playoff chances? I'm sure at certain points last season Toronto was within 3 (or even 2) points of a playoff spot and look at how that turned out. =/
The next step is to sign Grabovski to a reasonable price.
Do any Leaf fans feel good about Toronto's playoff chances? I'm sure at certain points last season Toronto was within 3 (or even 2) points of a playoff spot and look at how that turned out. =/
I'm not so sure he will anytime soon. Canucks have the kind of roster currently where Gragnani may not feature in the lineup asap.
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I still think they have a shot down 3 points with a lot of games left to play. The difference this year is we didn't start off down double digits in point and having to dig ourselves out of a ridiculous hole.
Again, I'm clearly showing my lack of Nucks knowledge, because I didn't think he was a rookie. I thought he was like a third year player.
KingHenrik30
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Which isn't gonna happen, he's not gonna do Columbus any favors, especially now that Columbus pretty much HAS to trade him. It was Howson's fault for giving him that right, now Howson has to live with that.
SpectreFire
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Considering we got the Islander's pick for absolutely nothing, we only really just lose a 4th round pick in this deal. I have no issues about it.
As for the big trade of the day, after settling down a bit, it does make sense why Gillis jumped on it. It's very risky, but makes tons of sense if the risk pans out.
http://canucksarmy.com/2012/2/27/godson-mode-deactivated
Bottom line, Canucks needed a hulking top-six power forward and a right handed offensive defenseman. They got both in Kassian and Gragani. The plus is that they're both young and have plenty of room to grow into, especially Kassian, whose potential is very high. On the downside, they still have lots of room to potentially grow into and their NHL-readiness, especially playoffs, is iffy. Although Gragani did produce at a very high clip for the Sabres during their playoffs last season.
I think with Ballard out, Gragnani is immediately our 7th defenseman on the chart, jumping past Alberts. This also means they have to trust Tanev enough to think he's capable of handling top 4 playoff minutes if it comes to that.
Then he's stuck in Columbus until the end of his contract/career.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I don't doubt that but I thought people usually call them winners when they get a lot more value in the trade than what they gave up. I don't know if that's necessarily true but I think it helps you in the short term a lot more than the avs currently though.
brucewaynegretzky
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Columbus doesn't want him there if he doesn't want to be there. That's lose/lose. They need to get something for him.
HadesGigas
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Well I gotta figure it was the Canucks who pushed for the defensemen to be included in this deal. And I'd guess they think he's worthwhile as an offensive d-man. He should get a temporary spot at least...
KingHenrik30
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They have to trade him now that it's been made public that he doesn't want to be there.
Unhandled Exception
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Well, it forced Sacco to put Mueller in tonight even though earlier in the morning it was declared he was still injured and wouldn't play. So there's that.
Yup, also add to the fact it looks bad for the organization for any potential free agents. Could turn them off.
There are only three outcomes here:
- Nash keeps his list of 5 team or shrinks it. The only way this deal gets done is if the Jackets come down to earth with their demands.
- Nash expands his list. Maybe the Jackets can fleece a team run by dumb people like my Habs and get all they are looking for.
- Nash stays in Columbus.
The last option seems impossible, so, its one or two.
brucewaynegretzky
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Exactly, Nash could shorten the list to one team and essentially make Howson take whatever that team offers.
bonesmccoy
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Kidding, teasing, Tabrising. I don't think Gillis did anything wrong; it was good of him to apologize for something that was utterly beyond his control.
KingHenrik30
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The first is what will happen. Columbus has ZERO leverage. they will be trying to trade a player who doesn't want to be on that team, which everybody knows now, with a 7.8 cap hit who gets to pick and choose where he wants to go. The list of teams interested will shrink as more players become available at the draft and in free agency. Nash has no reason to do management any favors.
I don't know, man. I don't like it when players take a team hostage like that. I'd love to see a GM with the balls not to bow to a player demand like that, but none of them have 'em.
brucewaynegretzky
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So? Nash doesn't give a shit about Columbus at this point. They've treated him like shit.
yankeehater
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The Jackets turned down a pretty good offer from the Rangers, it is going to look really bad for them if they have to settle for less in the off season. I wouldnt be to surprised if they hold on to him and try again at next years deadline. He is going to have to increase his list if he really wants to go somewhere else.
TemplaerDude
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Or Howson can pull his head out of his ass.
Well, they did draft him and they are paying him $8M a year. You would think to some that would inspire some kind of compassion between the parties.
How did they treat him like shit? By not listening to his calls for management's heads? Really?
KingHenrik30
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How many rebuilds does he have to go through? He could have been a UFA, but he was obviously sold a bill of goods by Columbus management. The guy thinks that the people running the team are inept. He's not wrong. They gave him an NMC, they got to live with that.
I'm just saying....yes, this makes Columbus look bad, but it also really lowers my opinion of Nash if his trade demand were indeed spurned on by ownership refusing to bow to his every whim. Makes him look like the kid who took his ball and went home.
Anyways, whoever gets Nash is still going to overpay for him. I think his production has peaked and he will start tailing off soon. I could easily assemble a list of 15-20 forwards I would take over him in a heartbeat.
Anyways, whoever gets Nash is still going to overpay for him. I think his production has peaked and he will start tailing off soon. I could easily assemble a list of 15-20 forwards I would take over him in a heartbeat.
KingHenrik30
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I just can't see that happening. The list will shrink because other teams will have other irons in the fire. He's never gonna be a Ranger, they'll look elsewhere to fill their holes. When all is said and done, there might only be one team willing to do a deal for him. It's never gonna get better than what the Ranger's reported deal was.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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You're joking right? Ugh, I guess he'll be injured yet again. Way to injure one of the few players who have been playing like they care.
I dunno, Gauthier is probably dumb enough to offer something like Subban + Price + 1st. I'd laugh if I didn't think he would be dumb enough to offer it. Thank christ Montreal wasn't on Nash's list.
Anyways, to brighter news: only 116 days until the 2012 NHL entry draft and hopefully Grigorenko or Yakupov in a Habs jersey.
Anyways, to brighter news: only 116 days until the 2012 NHL entry draft and hopefully Grigorenko or Yakupov in a Habs jersey.
Lone_Prodigy
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Did anyone notice that Columbus traded 3 of their centres away? Vermette, Carter, and Pahlsson were dealt while Nash wasn't.
"Want to stay here? Well you have no one to pass to you."
"Want to stay here? Well you have no one to pass to you."
sazabirules
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Don't they still have Brassard, Letestu, and Umberger?
yankeehater
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/depth
SpectreFire
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Howsen's following Toronto's model of offensive lineups.
He's my fave rookie on the Canucks 
ZeroGravity
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So apparently for the Red Wings to get their conditional 7th round pick for Commodore, the Lightning have to make the playoffs this year and he has to play 15 games with us.
They must have really hated him since they essentially gave him away for nothing.
They must have really hated him since they essentially gave him away for nothing.
Because they wanted an improvement in their depth, yes. But Sabres fans have been telling us that he's had a really poor season and we've got 6 dmen playing really well right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had to wait his turn. Then again he could be playing tomorrow and Tanev will be sat instead. I have no idea.
SpectreFire
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Gragnani is only 24 though, so he still has room to grow. Ehrhoff was a turnover machine in San Jose just like Gragnani and we managed to turn him into a pretty productive player. Like I said, I think he immediately jumps into the 7th spot above Alberts because the team likes its mobility on the blueline. I don't think he's going to jump Tanev, if anything, he might play with him. Tanev seems to immediately stabilize any pairing he's on, which has to do wonders for AV's panic levels when a defenseman goes down.
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I must admit that I had no idea who Greg Zanon was until today, but after reading a bit, I think he'll fit in well here. Not really a big, punishing guy like we like, but seems to have some grit and gets off on blocking shots. Looking forward to seeing him in the line-up.
Erdrick
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Hey Marvie, take care of Johnny Oduya for us from Winnipeg, will ya? I grew to like him as this season went on and while I expected him to go at the deadline, I still wish the guy well. It's just too much cash for a guy that produces his kind of numbers. Hope he can help you guys in your push for playoffs and beyond.
Best mustache in the league, since Lanny McDonald.
Best mustache in the league, since Lanny McDonald.
All I'm talking about is whether he'll play tomorrow. My previous posts have nothing to do with his potential.
Which is the only upside I'm hearing. Not exactly filled to the brim with confidence.
SpectreFire
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Fair enough. I'm still not happy with the trade though. Yeah, we're selling the future for a swipe at the present, and I think that's a terrible move. Zach Kassian might pan out, he might not, but when you trade away a fan favourite like that, and one with so much potential, it's a huge risk. If the Canucks don't win the cup this season, I expect Gillis to be fired. He's putting all his eggs into one basket now and hoping it delivers.
You can have him back if we can have our picks back. Chicago isn't going anywhere.
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