NHL February |OT| FIRE ALL THE THINGS

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RC

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I still don't like it. Kassian has the potential to be a great power forward, but he's unproven. Giving up on skill and scoring for size and grit. Doesn't sit well with me at all.
 

snack

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I still don't like it. Kassian has the potential to be a great power forward, but he's unproven. Giving up on skill and scoring for size and grit. Doesn't sit well with me at all.

Right now, I'm not liking the trade either but I am willing to give it a couple years to see if Kassian can prove himself at the NHL level. Only time will tell whether or not today's trade has paid any dividends for the Canucks.

Best of luck to Cody Hodgson. Linden material right there.
 

Acid08

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“That’s nice to hear. I didn’t like playing against [Douglas Murray], either. He told me he was going to kill me a couple of times.”

says Galiardi in response to Murray complimenting him that he's tough to play against. Can't even imagine how terrified I'd be if Murray threatened to kill me D:
 

Socreges

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No more tears to sip on. The ducts have dried. The mild excitement of seeing new players in Canucks jerseys has set in. When they ultimately disappoint, my anger can return anew.

I'm going to join Soc and hope for a day where everyone in NHL GAF has him on ignore.
Ignoring Tabris is the new black. Shit is hot. Resist the initial morbid curiosity to click on View Post to see what trollish bullshit he's spewing and in time you won't even realize he's there.
 

Socreges

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Right now, I'm not liking the trade either but I am willing to give it a couple years to see if Kassian can prove himself at the NHL level. Only time will tell whether or not today's trade has paid any dividends for the Canucks.

Best of luck to Cody Hodgson. Linden material right there.
If the trade costs the Canucks some success this season, though, then it's automatically a failure of a trade. I don't see any reason why it couldn't have been made in the summer instead, but Gillis actually believes that Kassian will be immediately more valuable to the team than Hodgson would.
 

bardia

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If the trade costs the Canucks some success this season, though, then it's automatically a failure of a trade. I don't see any reason why it couldn't have been made in the summer instead, but Gillis actually believes that Kassian will be immediately more valuable to the team than Hodgson would.

This. I'd have no problem with this trade in the off season because it makes sense, but I think it is going to cost us success this post seas. I hope I'm wrong though.
 

RC

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Right now, I'm not liking the trade either but I am willing to give it a couple years to see if Kassian can prove himself at the NHL level. Only time will tell whether or not today's trade has paid any dividends for the Canucks.

Best of luck to Cody Hodgson. Linden material right there.

Therein lies the problem. We don't need a player who'll be great in a couple years, we need someone who can make a difference now. Hodgeson was that guy.
 
I don't see how it helps. He's not going to replace Burrows on the first line, he doesn't fit on the second line, so that leaves him with third line minutes, where Hodgson was producing and I seriously doubt he will.
 

Socreges

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Gut feeling: do you feel like this trade hurts your chances of winning a Cup this season?
Yeah. Not by a great deal, but enough that it's frustrating. I don't like what I've heard about where Kassian/Gragnani are at in their development. Canucks org thinks that our system and environment can make them improve right away, though. But if they don't, and they're scratched just like they were in Buffalo, then they're not going to do us any good. We don't need Kassian's toughness if he's not effective otherwise.

I also think Hodgson would have gotten a more 'guaranteed' return in the offseason.

Hopefully I read these posts months from now and laugh at how wrong I was.
 

Smiley90

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Yeah. Not by a great deal, but enough that it's frustrating. I don't like what I've heard about where Kassian/Gragnani are at in their development. Canucks org thinks that our system and environment can make them improve right away, though. But if they don't, and they're scratched just like they were in Buffalo, then they're not going to do us any good. We don't need Kassian's toughness if he's not effective otherwise.

I also think Hodgson would have gotten a more 'guaranteed' return in the offseason.

Hopefully I read these posts months from now and laugh at how wrong I was.

My hope is we get really "tough" opponents in the playoffs so I can think "Hodgson would've been destroyed against these guys, I'm glad Kassian's here to rough them up". I'm clinging to anything that'll make this trade look good in retrospect.
 

bardia

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Gut feeling: do you feel like this trade hurts your chances of winning a Cup this season?

Yes. Feels like we went from 3 legitimate offensive scoring lines back to 2 with our third line being a shutdown line. I'm hoping Pahlsson will eat up some of Keslers PK minutes and allow him to rest up for the play offs.
 

Socreges

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My hope is we get really "tough" opponents in the playoffs so I can think "Hodgson would've been destroyed against these guys, I'm glad Kassian's here to rough them up". I'm clinging to anything that'll make this trade look good in retrospect.
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Some of us have reached 'Bargaining' while others are still stuck on 'Sadness'. We'll see what tomorrow brings.
 

Acid08

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Would you realistically say your window is until 2014 when the Sedins contracts are up? I wonder if the rest of this season and 2012-2013 is enough for him to develop into what you need.
 

Socreges

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Would you realistically say your window is until 2014 when the Sedins contracts are up? I wonder if the rest of this season and 2012-2013 is enough for him to develop into what you need.
We're not reaping the benefits of cheap contracts (e.g. 80-point RFAs making $3M after bonuses), so I don't really see a "window". It's just a matter of the organization continuing to bring in and/or develop valuable players in a timely way. Also will depend on ownership's willingness to spend to the cap and I don't see that changing any time soon.
 

Acid08

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We're not reaping the benefits of bargain contracts, so I don't really see a "window". It's just a matter of the organization continuing to bring in and/or develop valuable players in a timely way. Always will depend on ownership's willingness to spend to the cap and I don't see that changing any time soon.

True but if the Sedins fall off in the next couple years and aren't resigned, what are the chances you'll have two more players of that caliber?
 

Socreges

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True but if the Sedins fall off in the next couple years and aren't resigned, what are the chances you'll have two more players of that caliber?
If they drop off and aren't resigned, I can see the organization scrambling to replace them but failing. You're right.

That said, I think the Sedins have another 4-5 seasons as PPG players. Given the types of players they are (go ahead), I don't see why they'd wear down anytime soon. And in that amount of time, many players will come and go so who knows where we'll be.

In a way, any time your team is having a successful season, you have to see it as an opportunity/window. Teams can drop off at any moment. Look at Washington. You can't trust that all the same pieces are going to come together year-in, year-out, just because they're all relatively young.
 
Would you realistically say your window is until 2014 when the Sedins contracts are up? I wonder if the rest of this season and 2012-2013 is enough for him to develop into what you need.

I'd say our window is smaller than that. We had last year, this year, and I think next year will be the final year in our window. A ton of key personnel are heading into UFA after the 2012-2013 season, and honestly, I don't see us resigning most of them. After that season, the Canucks could conceivably look very different, and may lose the absolute dominace it's having during their window.

We currently have a strong team that we know we can do very well in the regular season and take into the playoffs for the deep run, but after next year, these following players are all free agents:

Higgins, Lapierre, Malhotra, Edler, Burrows and Tanev (RFA). Sami Salo will almost certainly be gone by then, Schneider probably would be too, and if management decides to part ways with most of our UFAs or if Edler decides to seek out more money elsewhere. Then we run into a lot of trouble. Simply put, we have to win the cup this year or next, before all those contracts run up and the Canucks change into a different team that may or may not be as effective.

Another problem is, we don't have any star prospects coming to our rescue in the near future. The Canucks won't be drafting in the top 10 any time soon. We have a very narrow window and if we don't win it this year or the next, then I don't see us winning for a long time, because we just sold our entire fucking centerpiece for the future.
 

Socreges

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I'd say our window is smaller than that. We had last year, this year, and I think next year will be the final year in our window. A ton of key personnel are heading into UFA after the 2012-2013 season, and honestly, I don't see us resigning most of them. After that season, the Canucks could conceivably look very different, and may lose the absolute dominace it's having during their window.

We currently have a strong team that we know we can do very well in the regular season and take into the playoffs for the deep run, but after next year, these following players are all free agents:

Higgins, Lapierre, Malhotra, Edler, Burrows and Tanev (RFA). Sami Salo will almost certainly be gone by then, Schneider probably would be too, and if management decides to part ways with most of our UFAs or if Edler decides to seek out more money elsewhere. Then we run into a lot of trouble. Simply put, we have to win the cup this year or next, before all those contracts run up and the Canucks change into a different team that may or may not be as effective.

Another problem is, we don't have any star prospects coming to our rescue in the near future. The Canucks won't be drafting in the top 10 any time soon. We have a very narrow window and if we don't win it this year or the next, then I don't see us winning for a long time, because we just sold our entire fucking centerpiece for the future.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but.... I think you're being too pessimistic.

Many of those players are not irreplaceable (Lapierre, Higgins), Schneider's exit will bring in a promising/great young player or two, Edler won't be much more expensive (and could be in his prime), and if we're going to have to give Tanev a raise it's because he actually became more than just a prospect.

And hey - maybe Kassian will be the next Cam Neely.

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Kuro Madoushi

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Hopefully the Canucks and most importantly the sedins will not fade down the stretch in the playoffs this year.

They nearly got taken out by a sleepy Chicago team. :p

Also another reason why that Hodge trade is bad. You need a mix of veterans and good young players to develop so that your org is always competing like the Wings.

When WAS the last time the wings missed the playoffs aside from lockout????
 

hubes

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have the sedins ever said anything about signing to different teams when their contracts up? or will they require a team to sign both?
 
They will have to go to different teams if they both want big time money. I guess they could both sign with the Islanders, but I cant see many other teams being able to take a $14 million cap hit in one off season.
 

Solo

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If the Oilers win their next game, they move past the Habs, dropping Montreal to 29th overall and the 2nd overall pick.

Fuck. Yeah.
 

Solo

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Devil's advocate: what if Columbus fires management this offseason (as Nash wants) and drafts Grigorenko first overall, giving Nash the #1 centre he's lacked his whole career.

Does he stay in Columbus?
 

Marvie_3

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Have the Panthers ever signed a big FA? Getting the Sedins would be huge for that market. Bettman just got hard and he has no idea why.
They might need to get to the cap floor again in the future. Overpaying for some broken down, old, ugly Swedes might help them do it.

Devil's advocate: what if Columbus fires management this offseason (as Nash wants) and drafts Grigorenko first overall, giving Nash the #1 centre he's lacked his whole career.

Does he stay in Columbus?
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have the sedins ever said anything about signing to different teams when their contracts up? or will they require a team to sign both?

I seriously doubt they leave Vancouver. They seem really loyal to the organization that drafted them, as players tend to be.

If they leave, it's because Vancouver doesn't want to resign them.
 
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