NHL February |OT| FIRE ALL THE THINGS

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Having had a night to sleep on yesterday's trades, I have to say, I'm really impressed with the moves Darcy made to improve the Sabres. I don't feel like it represents a gigantic change within his philosophy (i.e. should have moved Gaustad pretty much right after the Lucic/Miller incident), but it was a much better deadline than I think I've ever seen from him. Who knows -- maybe this DOES signal change for the future.

'Nucks-GAF -- I think I speak for most Sabres fans when I say we're really looking forward to what Hodgson can do here. The team has been in need of a #1 center since Briere and Drury departed, so it's really nice to have someone that might fill that role, or could grow into being the team's top pivot. I hope your management properly identified both the hole and solution that Kassian was brought on board to fill. If the Sabres can't win a cup this year (and let's be honest... lol), I'd want it to be you guys. Class of 1970 represent.
 
KernelPanic said:
I seriously doubt they leave Vancouver. They seem really loyal to the organization that drafted them, as players tend to be.

If they leave, it's because Vancouver doesn't want to resign them.
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I get the feeling from those guys too. They've only ever done their best to 'adopt' Vancouver, and I don't think have ever tried to neuter the organization during contract talks. Of all the superstars in the league, H&D are probably the most likely to take a fairly significant hometown discount.

For the upcoming CBA, I would love to see a designated player rule brought into the NHL, like the MLS has. Basically, you have one or a handful of contracts that don't count against the cap. To prevent excessive contracts, you could still put a ceiling on the gross salary. And for teams who use this option, they'd have to pay a luxury tax or something similar.

Going back to Gillis's legacy as GM, even if the Kassian Gambit fails, we really need to see how he handles the Schneider situation. If that move doesn't bring in real and immediate value, he'll definitely find himself under serious scrutiny.
 
KernelPanic said:
I seriously doubt they leave Vancouver. They seem really loyal to the organization that drafted them, as players tend to be.

If they leave, it's because Vancouver doesn't want to resign them.
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Yeah Swedish players are very loyal to their organizations. ex Lidstrom, Alfredsson, Zetterberg, Lundqvist, Eriksson etc.
 
bonesmccoy said:
For the upcoming CBA, I would love to see a designated player rule brought into the NHL, like the MLS has. Basically, you have one or a handful of contracts that don't count against the cap. To prevent excessive contracts, you could still put a ceiling on the gross salary. And for teams who use this option, they'd have to pay a luxury tax or something similar.

Going back to Gillis's legacy as GM, even if the Kassian Gambit fails, we really need to see how he handles the Schneider situation. If that move doesn't bring in real and immediate value, he'll definitely find himself under serious scrutiny.
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Interesting idea about the next CBA, I doubt they'll do much except changes the formula to lower the players % of NHL revenue to 50% and change how the floor and max work. Teams essentially do that now, lock up their core star players long term to cap friendly contracts. The non-essential players get replaced through drafted prospects or free agency.

The Canucks will probably move Schneider to the highest bidder, I imagine they'll get a return similar to what Halak did. They have Eddie Lack in their system who will come up and their goaltending won't suffer much at all, I'm not sure how NHL ready he is.
 
bonesmccoy said:
For the upcoming CBA, I would love to see a designated player rule brought into the NHL, like the MLS has. Basically, you have one or a handful of contracts that don't count against the cap. To prevent excessive contracts, you could still put a ceiling on the gross salary. And for teams who use this option, they'd have to pay a luxury tax or something similar.
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No. Just no.
 
bonesmccoy said:
For the upcoming CBA, I would love to see a designated player rule brought into the NHL, like the MLS has. Basically, you have one or a handful of contracts that don't count against the cap. To prevent excessive contracts, you could still put a ceiling on the gross salary. And for teams who use this option, they'd have to pay a luxury tax or something similar.
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The designated player rule really only works for leagues which aren't the top level of competition in their sport, like MLS. It helps MLS by giving teams some leeway to be able to pursue international talent and persuade them to play in MLS rather than higher profile leagues like the EPL.
 
Kave_Man said:
I just hope Toronto wins a game.

That's it.
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bonesmccoy said:
Has it ever been attempted in a 'stable' league with a salary cap?
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No, and it shouldn't. What's the point of having a hard cap in place only to allow higher revenue teams to exceed it? All the exemption would do is allow the Leafs, Wings, Rangers, Blackhawks, etc. to exceed the cap and gain an advantage over teams like the Preds. Hard cap stays. No exceptions.
 
Looks like Kassian will be wearing #9 with the Canucks. As if this whole situation wasn't heart-wrenching enough.

Still, disappointed that I'll be missing the game. As sad as I am to see Hodgson go, I'm very excited to see what Kassian can do and look forward to watching him develop. Booth/Kesler/Kassian could be a deadly line as early as next season.
 
You'd have to limit the rule to 1, maybe 2, players to prevent popular teams from abusing it, And an effective luxury tax would have to be paid to the smaller market teams to offset the imbalance on the payroll side.

But if the only argument against that kind of rule is that it is nebulously 'bad for the league', are we saying that the mandated parity is necessarily good for it? Has the NHL's brand value increased because of the cap, or because the on-ice product and marketing is that much better than it was pre-lockout? Or is it a combination of these things?
 
bonesmccoy said:
You'd have to limit the rule to 1, maybe 2, players to prevent popular teams from abusing it, And an effective luxury tax would have to be paid to the smaller market teams to offset the imbalance on the payroll side.
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Or 0 players. Effective luxury tax for me starts at 1000%.
bonesmccoy said:
But if the only argument against that kind of rule is that it is nebulously 'bad for the league', are we saying that the mandated parity is necessarily good for it? Has the NHL's brand value increased because of the cap, or because the on-ice product and marketing is that much better than it was pre-lockout? Or is it a combination of these things?
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combination. Parity leads to increased value of all teams because more teams are competitive . Having more teams be competitive makes the on ice product better. Marketing is better in other markets because more teams are able to acquire talent.
 
Abolish the cap, I want to see the big time teams (Leafs, Wings, Rangers, Blackhawks) just throw money at those small markets and poach all their talent.

"So I hear you have some serious financial problems, here we'll trade you 20 million dollars (straight cash homey) for top prospect, and your best player"
 
Kave_Man said:
Abolish the cap, I want to see the big time teams (Leafs, Wings, Rangers, Blackhawks) just throw money at those small markets and poach all their talent.

"So I hear you have some serious financial problems, here we'll trade you 20 million dollars (straight cash homey) for top prospect, and your best player"
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Keep the cap, but allow money to be traded again - I'm good with that.
 
Kave_Man said:
Abolish the cap, I want to see the big time teams (Leafs, Wings, Rangers, Blackhawks) just throw money at those small markets and poach all their talent.

"So I hear you have some serious financial problems, here we'll trade you 20 million dollars (straight cash homey) for top prospect, and your best player"
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Abolish the draft, too. Let the best young players only go to the super rich teams and let the teams that finish last year after year die on the vine instead of being rewarded for failure.

I actually like the salary cap in the NHL and rich teams like the one I support get plenty of advantages even with a hard cap.
 
Kave_Man said:
Abolish the cap, I want to see the big time teams (Leafs, Wings, Rangers, Blackhawks) just throw money at those small markets and poach all their talent.

"So I hear you have some serious financial problems, here we'll trade you 20 million dollars (straight cash homey) for top prospect, and your best player"
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I don't know what that would accomplish, the Leafs will still finish in 9th place. Of course 2002 Red Wings, AH YEAH!!!!
 
KernelPanic said:
League has revenue sharing, it's effectively the same thing.
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Not really. Trading money allows richer teams to bribe other teams to take their bad contracts/buy their better players. Revenue sharing is more to help low revenue teams stay solvent(doesn't always work) and eliminate some of the money advantage of richer teams.
 
aidan said:
Looks like Kassian will be wearing #9 with the Canucks. As if this whole situation wasn't heart-wrenching enough.

Still, disappointed that I'll be missing the game. As sad as I am to see Hodgson go, I'm very excited to see what Kassian can do and look forward to watching him develop. Booth/Kesler/Kassian could be a deadly line as early as next season.
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:'(

Not sure why the team would do that honestly.
 
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