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NHL January 2016 |OT| Road to the Matthews Draft Pick
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Back to back with Jackets will save Therrien
CreeperBlocks
Banned
Nah.
every single scout get lucky at some point and find some late round gem. His 1st pick track record is abysmal when compared to players who get drafted after our picks
I couldn't agree more. Aside from Price and Galchenyuk, both of which were picks anyone would have made, Habs have mostly drafted terribly in the first round for 15 years now. dat David Fisher. dat Louis LeBlanc.
The hard reality is coaches have very little impact on shooting %, which is the Habs' problem right now. Last year Therrien was definitely the biggest issue, but I don't think you can say that anymore. The players are just going to have to figure out how to put the puck in the net -- it will happen eventually, but there's no telling how long it will take to get out of this slump. You guys are just going to have to grind it out.
If they wanted to fire him, what are they waiting for? Galchenyuk will be traded before Therrien is fired. You think Connor would've been caught having a threesome while his team is imploding? No way.
Rooting for a garbage team is boring.
My favorite argument is "BUT LOUIS LEBLANC WASN'T HIS PICK"
fuck
off
we all saw the god damn paper, his name was there
CreeperBlocks
Banned
Victor Bartley was sent down to St Johns. I'm guessing either Gilbert is coming back or Beaulieu's Injury isn't as serious
I just realized Byron was injured too
I just realized Byron was injured too
bonesmccoy
Banned
I guess this isn't a controversial opinion anymore after last night's loss.
For shits, I took a look at the first round of every draft since 2001.
2001: Habs drafted Mike Komisarek. Could have had Dan Hamhuis, Ales Hemsky.
2002: Habs drafted Chris Higgins. Could have had Alex Steen, Cam Ward.
2003: Habs drafted Andrei Kostitsyn. Could have had Jeff Carter, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf, Brent Burns, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry.
2004: Habs drafted Kyle Chipchura. Could have had Corey Scneider, Mike Green.
2005: Habs drafted Carey Price. I'd say they got this one right obviously. But for fun, they could have had Anze Kopitar, Marc Staal, TJ Oshie.
2006: Habs drafted David Fisher. Could have had Claude Giroux.
2007: Habs drafted Ryan McDonaugh, Max Pacioretty. They mostly got this one right, although they traded McDonaugh for Gomez and they could have had Kevin Shattenkirk, David Perron.
2008: Habs drafted no one. They traded their 1st for Alex Tanguay.
2009: Habs drafted Louis LeBlanc. Could have had Chris Kreider, Marcus Johansson.
2010: Habs drafted Jarred Tinordi. Could have had Kevin Hayes, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Brock Nelson.
2011: Habs drafted Nathan Beaulieu. Could have had Vladisov Namestnikov.
2012: Habs drafted Alex Galchenyuk. I think they got this one right, but for shits they could have had Filip Forsberg, Tomas Hertl, Teuvo Teravainen.
2013: Habs drafted Michael McCarron. Based on how low they drafted, they probably got this decently well.
2014: Habs drafted Nikita Scherbek. Like McCarron, the pick was so low in the round that they probably did decently well.
2015: Habs drafted Noah Juulsen. Same deal as McCarron and Scherbek.
2016: Habs will get #1 overall pick and and pick Not Auston Matthews.
Woof.
2001: Habs drafted Mike Komisarek. Could have had Dan Hamhuis, Ales Hemsky.
2002: Habs drafted Chris Higgins. Could have had Alex Steen, Cam Ward.
2003: Habs drafted Andrei Kostitsyn. Could have had Jeff Carter, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf, Brent Burns, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Corey Perry.
2004: Habs drafted Kyle Chipchura. Could have had Corey Scneider, Mike Green.
2005: Habs drafted Carey Price. I'd say they got this one right obviously. But for fun, they could have had Anze Kopitar, Marc Staal, TJ Oshie.
2006: Habs drafted David Fisher. Could have had Claude Giroux.
2007: Habs drafted Ryan McDonaugh, Max Pacioretty. They mostly got this one right, although they traded McDonaugh for Gomez and they could have had Kevin Shattenkirk, David Perron.
2008: Habs drafted no one. They traded their 1st for Alex Tanguay.
2009: Habs drafted Louis LeBlanc. Could have had Chris Kreider, Marcus Johansson.
2010: Habs drafted Jarred Tinordi. Could have had Kevin Hayes, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Brock Nelson.
2011: Habs drafted Nathan Beaulieu. Could have had Vladisov Namestnikov.
2012: Habs drafted Alex Galchenyuk. I think they got this one right, but for shits they could have had Filip Forsberg, Tomas Hertl, Teuvo Teravainen.
2013: Habs drafted Michael McCarron. Based on how low they drafted, they probably got this decently well.
2014: Habs drafted Nikita Scherbek. Like McCarron, the pick was so low in the round that they probably did decently well.
2015: Habs drafted Noah Juulsen. Same deal as McCarron and Scherbek.
2016: Habs will get #1 overall pick and and pick Not Auston Matthews.
Woof.
MultiJhonny
Banned
So I guess that Drouin trade isn't going to happen
CosmicQueso
Member
But you could do this with every team and every sport that's ever had a draft.
In 1988, every team in baseball could have drafted Mike Piazza 61 times over. Portland could have had Michael Jordan...
CreeperBlocks
Banned
More Proof that Montreal needs to tank hard.
The 2007 Habs draft is just bananas looking back.
1st pick: McDonaugh
2nd pick: Pacioretty
3rd pick: Subban
Wowza. If McDonaugh wasn't traded and Patches didn't become a charter member of the school of Kessel that'd be a dominant foundation for a team in just three picks in one draft.
e: also Galchenyuk over guys like Forsberg, Rielly or Teravainen? Going back there's no way he still goes 3.
1st pick: McDonaugh
2nd pick: Pacioretty
3rd pick: Subban
Wowza. If McDonaugh wasn't traded and Patches didn't become a charter member of the school of Kessel that'd be a dominant foundation for a team in just three picks in one draft.
e: also Galchenyuk over guys like Forsberg, Rielly or Teravainen? Going back there's no way he still goes 3.
oh we know, but for some reason in Montreal Timmins is some kind of living legend who can do no wrong
CreeperBlocks
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I hope the Trade Deadline is super busy for Montreal this year.
Well at least I have my Raptors to watch this season and Blue Jays season is coming up.
Plenty of things to watch instead of Montreal.
Well at least I have my Raptors to watch this season and Blue Jays season is coming up.
Plenty of things to watch instead of Montreal.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
That Suicide Squad trailer has given me hope, and less expectation that it will be a complete cringefest.
I love when the awkwardness of this situation happens.
So many "milestones", and it's all the NHLs fault.
I hope he wears it during the shootout contest.
I love when the awkwardness of this situation happens.
So many "milestones", and it's all the NHLs fault.
I hope he wears it during the shootout contest.
gaming_noob
Member
The Habs were first overall in the beginning of December and now 23 points back of first.....eat it!
CosmicQueso
Member
Serious question... can't think of another team in professional sports that has a fanbase as intense as the Habs. Not even Yankee fan seems to have quite the level of, incredible passion, I guess you could call it, about the sport. Do Habs fans even have fun with hockey? Obviously Habs fans love the sport. But is it fun to be a Habs fan?
Rand0m TAG
Member
what are you talking about. Timmins is perfect for the team. He drafts the most grinders out of any other scout out there
CreeperBlocks
Banned
It's frustrating to be a habs fan.
Rand0m TAG
Member
who would be a coaching candidate anyway?
better maybe start from scratch in the offseason and let therrien finish off the year (unless you want to promote lefebre ughh...)
just trade away assets at trade deadline
better maybe start from scratch in the offseason and let therrien finish off the year (unless you want to promote lefebre ughh...)
just trade away assets at trade deadline
alexthekid
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A more fair way to make a judgement on Montreal scouting would be to compare the player they drafted to the one going right after him. There will always be someone that is having a better career than what people think.
2001: Komisarek or Pascal Leclair?
2002: Higgins or Jesse Niniimaki?
2003: Kostitsyn or Jeff Carter?
2004: Chipchura or Lauri Korpikosi?
2005: Price or Gilbert Brule?
2006: David Fisher or Bob Sanguinetti?
2007: Mcdonagh or Eller?
2008: No pick
2009: Leblanc or Kreider
2010: Jared Tinordi or Mike Pysyk
2011: Beaulieu or Marc Mcneill
2012: Galchenyuk or Griffin Reinhardt
2013 - Low picks that are hard to say anything about now
Watching this list isnt that flattering but I would I would say that they have done fairly well for when they drafted.
Drafting outside of the top is really hard and there will almost always be some later pick that outperforms you.
If they picked busts in positions where the GM after always took players that turned out better it would be easier to blast them.
it really depends, I think it's a personal thing. I don't ACTUALLY get mad about hockey, I realize it's just hockey...There are different categories of hockey fans in Montreal.
- Normal fans, they just love the team and enjoy hockey, but don't watch/talk about it all the time
- The fans, that's most of us here, we love hockey and love talking about it
- The crazies, AKA people who will be grumpy at work because the Canadiens lost the night before
- The old timers, they hate everything because everything was better back then and Lafleur and Shutt and Beliveau and Richard and Roy and blablabla
- The fake old timers, usually your uncles, they don't actually watch hockey but they still think it's important to tell you all about their theories. Hockey is rigged, Habs are just a business and they don't care about winning. They'll bandwagon any opinion they hear on the radio
- The worst kind of fans, basically this category rules social medias and the open call radio shows. They just want something to hate, they hate everything, nothing's ever good, ever
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Ekblad shaved!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Zombie James
Banned
@snstats said:
It's just easier being a grumpy dude on the internet. I'm not constantly talking about how much I hate Therrien in real life, or how much Desharnais sucks, but I do get frustrated watching games.
It doesn't carry over into the next day though, and I don't really think about it all that much unless I'm talking to another hockey fan. It's always fun talking to fellow fans, but more fun when they're winning.
MultiJhonny
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ayy lmao
we haven't lost to the Pens in 3 years. So they can make that joke all they want
Shitting on Timmins and citing the Price pick as an obvious one in the same breath is something else.
Yea, let's fire Timmins, Bergevin and Therrien and replace them with McGuire, Crawford and some loser from Hf boards to do the scouting. Stanley Cup here we come.
They're only reason I'm not imploding like others here and a lot of Habs fans is because I can recognize the difference between this season and the 2012-2013 season. The issue now is Bergevin needs to do decide asap if he's going to try and save the season, or just let it ride out to a potentially decent pick.
Yea, let's fire Timmins, Bergevin and Therrien and replace them with McGuire, Crawford and some loser from Hf boards to do the scouting. Stanley Cup here we come.
They're only reason I'm not imploding like others here and a lot of Habs fans is because I can recognize the difference between this season and the 2012-2013 season. The issue now is Bergevin needs to do decide asap if he's going to try and save the season, or just let it ride out to a potentially decent pick.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
You know what? i'm okay with riding it out.
I was saying that as a joke. It's just funny that the Yotes get zero representation, even if Scott wears a Coyotes jersey, he's still not part of the team anymore.
Trade us Ghost Bear, we'll give you Defensive Stud Roman Polak.
It won't be a Luke Schenn/JVR situation, I promise.
Ask Schuey. He was around since the franchise started. He'll be able to tell you stories.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Ekblad took full practice and was the top PP, should be good to go Friday.
Hmmm.
About Price, dunno about "obvious" but pretty sure all or most rankings and mock draft drafts had the Habs drafting him. It just made sense.
About Timmins, I don't think anyone's calling for his head, but they seem to be more contrasting to your hyper enthusiasm / masturbate praise of him. Same with Bergevin.
It's like no one remembers my blow up over this. Most rankings or mock drafts had them picking Kopitar or Brule.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLNOtoJ8vb0
ShadowSoldier89
Member
and u havent won the cup in 40