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[Cake Boss]

Cakeboss is being a dumbshit about everything because he just doesn't know any better, or doesn't want to. He refuses to except that player usage, age and all sorts of influences effect how good a player is at a young age and keeps going on with this stupid line of "hur hur hur hodgson's more skilled cause he scores more", completely ignoring all the evidence I've shown that goes against it.

And you got Gillis's balls covering your eyes and ears.

The original argument was you saying that Kassian is as good as Hodgson is offensivly, not the better player or the better physical player or the better 2 way player. You said he is as good offensively, and all the stats have shown that Hodgson is better than Kassian offensively, all of your crappy stats that you have shown is that he had 1 good week playing with Sedins and didnt do shit all then because he got demoted to the 3rd or 4th line.

My argument was never about who was the better player, it was always who was the better offensive player, and so far Hodgson has show more offensive talent than Kassian, not just me has said it, other Canucks fans believe it.

The ironing is delicious saying that I am ignoring all the evidence, since your big brother actually agrees with me.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66295331&postcount=7550

Seems like its other way around.

 

[SpectreFire]

And you got Gillis's balls covering your eyes and ears.

The original argument was you saying that Kassian is as good as Hodgson is offensivly, not the better player or the better physical player or the better 2 way player. You said he is as good offensively, and all the stats have shown that Hodgson is better than Kassian offensively, all of your crappy stats have shown that he had 1 good week playing with Sedin and didnt do shit all then because he got demoted to the 3rd or 4th line.

Well now you're just making shit up because I said they're similar offensive players, as in they're both skilled playmaking forwards, which everyone agrees is absolutely true. There is no one credible who doubts Kassian has really good offensive skills, the doubts are always about consistency.

We traded a guy who was a persistent whiner and was questionable as a third line center for someone with similar offensive skills, but in a bigger meaner body.

My argument was never about who was the better player, it was always who was the better offensive player, and so far Hodgson has show more offensive talent than Kassian, not just me has said it, other Canucks fans believe it. Yeah I guess I am the only one ignoring all of the evidense.

You're still stating the obvious. Of course Hodgson has shown more offense than Kassian has so far. But you are absolutely ignoring the fact that Hodgson has played more games, is a year older, has played more of his games in an offensive role with talented players, and is a type of player that traditionally doesn't take as long to fucking develop.

Zack Kassian is a year younger, he's a power forward who needs time to develop, he's played most of his career in the bottom six without a designated role, and has played less games overall. But noooo, let's pretend none of that matters, because who gives a shit about how player development actually fucking works when we're Cakeboss.

And you using Canucks fan as any sort of validation is even more fucked up considering this is the same fanbase that wrote Hodgson up as negative trade value just two years ago,

 

[Quick]

You know what I'm sure of? Kassian's an ugly dude.

 

[Cake Boss]

Well now you're just making shit up because I said they're similar offensive players, as in they're both skilled playmaking forwards, which everyone agrees is absolutely true. There is no one credible who doubts Kassian has really good offensive skills, the doubts are always about consistency.

,

Kassian is a playmaking forward now, what in the fuck? Have you even watched your own player fucking play? you ever read the scouting reports or why he was traded to Vancouver?

He has more goals than assists in both NHL and AHL.

Can't continue this stupid ass argument, you are quoting yourself and keep saying he is a playmaking forward, who is the dumbshit now? Oh the irony.

You know what I'm sure of? Kassian's an ugly dude.

Yeah but there is this 1 week where he got a haircut and shaved, looked really good for that 1 week.

 

[Socreges]

You know what I'm sure of? Kassian's an ugly dude.

DEBATE

 

[SpectreFire]

Kassian is a playmaking forward now, what in the fuck? Have you even watched your own player fucking play? you ever read the scouting reports or why he was traded to Vancouver?

He has more goals than assists in both NHL and AHL.

Can't continue this stupid ass argument, you are quoting yourself and keep saying he is a playmaking forward, who is the dumbshit now? Oh the irony.

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2013/0...-benefiting-from-playing-with-the-sedins-yet/

He’s a 6’3″ power forward with a right-handed shot who can go hard to the net and protect the Sedins with the physical side of his game, but he’s also a soft-handed playmaker with superb on-ice vision. What struck me the most from watching Kassian with the Chicago Wolves during the lockout is that, while he’s a good finisher around the net, he’s also a fantastic passer. In fact, Kassian played more like Joe Thornton than Todd Bertuzzi, using his body to protect the puck in order to distribute it to his linemates rather than to power to the net.

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2013/0...g-and-even-moreso-if-he-meant-to-do-it-video/

http://canucksarmy.com/2013/1/8/mckenzie-kassian-to-get-a-look-playing-with-the-twins

He's an under-rated playmaker, he's strong along the boards and in the slot, and he's very good at controlling the puck down low in the offensive zone.

But hey, I'll take your word for it. Why would I trust the opinions of people who actually watch and analyze Canuck players over the word of a guy who might've watched a handful of games a year at most?

If only there was something that recorded games and puts it online....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-NQWGapM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9vAUrKL6kI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLQMWyJW9Ho

 

[Cake Boss]

He’s a 6’3″ power forward
6’3″ power forward
power forward

 

[Revenant]

Fuck yourself Rev.

It's the offseason but you just find a way to turn me on, on, on!

Are we still talking about things that happened on June 24th?

No!

Same here. Never going to have to see Stalberg in a Hawks jersey again.

you will at the stalberg heritage night!

 

[SpectreFire]

He’s a 6’3″ power forward
6’3″ power forward
power forward

Power forwards can't be playmakers now? Someone better fucking tell Joe Thornton and Ryan Getzlaf!

 

[Marvie_3]

He’s a 6’3″ power forward
6’3″ power forward
power forward

No no, those 10 assists in 80+ career games clearly make him a playmaker.

I was hoping this would get gif'd. :lol

 

[DopeyFish]

Zach Kassian is a goon

 

[RC]

DEBATE

He was a non-ugly boy who grew into an ugly man.

 

[Revenant]

No no, those 10 assists in 80+ career games clearly make him a playmaker.

I was hoping this would get gif'd. :lol

Torts will mold him into one after he's done making the Sedins the best PK tandem in hockey

 

[SpectreFire]

He was a non-ugly boy who grew into an ugly man.

So basically the reverse ugly-duckling.

 

[Merguson]

Zach Kassian is a goon

No I think he's the savior of the Canucks franchise?

 

[Marvie_3]

Torts will mold him into one after he's done making the Sedins the best PK tandem in hockey

:lol

Power forwards can't be playmakers now? Someone better fucking tell Joe Thornton and Ryan Getzlaf!

:lol Come on.... Both of those guys were waaaaay better at 22 than Kassian currently is at 22.

 

[Cake Boss]

Torts will mold him into one after he's done making the Sedins the best PK tandem in hockey

lol

Thats why he doesn't play with the Sedins on the 1st line, because he is a playmaker and they already have one on that line. My god now it all makes sense.

d'oh. silly cakeboss.

 

[wsoxfan1214]

These divisions next year. Ugh.

Only really excited about Winnipeg since they're new. Colorado will be fun in a year or so. Nashville will give me designated nap times at least. Same with Minnesota and St. Louis.

 

[SpectreFire]

:lol Come on.... Both of those guys were waaaaay better at 22 than Kassian currently is at 22.

Hey, I'm not disputing that. But he's saying that powerforwards can't be playmakers, which absolutely inane and something Cakeboss would totally say.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

hay guys

wanna fap

 

[Cake Boss]

Hey, I'm not disputing that. But he's saying that powerforwards can't be playmakers, which absolutely inane and something Cakeboss would totally say.

Yeah put words in people's mouths to try to win his dumb argument, seems like something Spec would totally do.

Yeah I said

Kassian is a playmaking forward now, what in the fuck? Have you even watched your own player fucking play? you ever read the scouting reports or why he was traded to Vancouver?

So where did I say powerforwards cant be playmakers in here? please tell me I must be blind.

 

[SpectreFire]

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2013/0...-benefiting-from-playing-with-the-sedins-yet/



http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2013/0...g-and-even-moreso-if-he-meant-to-do-it-video/

http://canucksarmy.com/2013/1/8/mckenzie-kassian-to-get-a-look-playing-with-the-twins



But hey, I'll take your word for it. Why would I trust the opinions of people who actually watch and analyze Canuck players over the word of a guy who might've watched a handful of games a year at most?

If only there was something that recorded games and puts it online....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-NQWGapM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9vAUrKL6kI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLQMWyJW9Ho

He’s a 6’3″ power forward
6’3″ power forward
power forward

Yeah put words in people's mouths to try to win his dumb argument, seems like something Spec would totally do.

Yeah I said



So where did I say powerforwards cant be playmakers in here? please tell me I must be blind.

I quoted a bunch of articles where it cites him as a playmaker, the only thing you responded with was the part that said powerforward.

 

[Marvie_3]

These divisions next year. Ugh.

Only really excited about Winnipeg since they're new. Colorado will be fun in a year or so. Nashville will give me designated nap times at least. Same with Minnesota and St. Louis.

Chicago really got stuck in a boring division. Should be pretty easy to win though.

 

[Quick]

Torts will mold him into one after he's done making the Sedins the best PK tandem in hockey

Torts will mold him into a beautiful swan.

 

[Cake Boss]

I quoted a bunch of articles where it cites him as a playmaker, the only thing you responded with was the part that said powerforward.

Yeah his primary skillset is he is a power forward with an offensive skillset, your argument is that he is primarily a "skilled playmaking forward" which is absolutely not what he is or what the scouting report say he is or why Gillis traded for him, not for his playmaking abilities, sure he can pass a bit but his primary skillset is his size, his skating and his physical play meaning that he is a powerforward first which is my argument for the type of player he is, you have stated that he is a "skilled playmaking forward"

So Lucic has 143 assists and 90 something goals, does that mean he is "skilled playmaking forward" or a powerforward?

 

[SpectreFire]

Yeah his primary skillset is he is a power forward with an offensive skillset, your argument is that he is primarily a "skilled playmaking forward" which is absolutely not what he is or what the scouting report say he is or why Gillis traded for him, not for his playmaking abilities, sure he can pass a bit but his primary skillset is his size, his skating and his physical play meaning that he is a powerforward first which is my argument for the type of player he is, you have stated that he is a "skilled playmaking forward"

So Lucic has 143 assists and 90 something goals, does that mean he is "skilled playmaking forward" or a powerforward?

Lucic is a pro-typical power forward, he scores points by driving the net and playing the game hard. Gillis probably didn't draft Kassian based on his playmaking skills, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. The big man can pass, and he can be extremely good at it. If you actually took the time to watch him play, you can tell that part of his failure is due to poor coaching. He's constantly entering the zone and getting lost as to what he needs to do. He's been told to be a playmaker on some nights and a grinder on others. Lucic''s sucessful because he has one job and he knows it. Drive the night and play hard a hard physical game in the offensive zone.

Kassian has no idea whether not he should be making passes or driving the net because no one is really telling him, and the times he does makes passes, it's usually to guys like Weise or Lapierre.

As for scouting reports, they existed as early as his draft year, talking about his playmaking abilities.

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2009/6/17/912408/zack-kassian-2009-draft-profile

He does not have a very strong shot so he will need to contribute in the corners and in front of the net. He does seem to have very good vision and play making ability. His paly making ability will be an area he will need to continue to improve so he can become an elite player.

 

[Razorskin]

 

[Cake Boss]

Lucic is a pro-typical power forward, he scores points by driving the net and playing the game hard. Gillis probably didn't draft Kassian based on his playmaking skills, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok no one said they don't exist, I just said his primary tools make him a powerforward instead of a playmaker, but go ahead.

The big man can pass, and he can be extremely good at it. If you actually took the time to watch him play, you can tell that part of his failure is due to poor coaching.

Yeah if only I could take the time to watch a 11 point forward play hockey at 10 at night until midnight. If only.

He's constantly entering the zone and getting lost as to what he needs to do. He's been told to be a playmaker on some nights and a grinder on others. Lucic''s sucessful because he has one job and he knows it. Drive the night and play hard a hard physical game in the offensive zone.

Kassian has no idea whether not he should be making passes or driving the net because no one is really telling him, and the times he does makes passes, it's usually to guys like Weise or Lapierre.

As for scouting reports, they existed as early as his draft year, talking about his playmaking abilities.

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2009/6/17/912408/zack-kassian-2009-draft-profile

Again, no one is saying he cant pass, saying that he is primarly a powerforward and not a playmaker.

. jesus fucking christ.

 

[Marvie_3]

 

[Cactus]

 

[Cake Boss]

Why can't we be friends?

 

[ShaneB]

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Is she related to Crawford or dating him in any way?

 

[Vman]

Chicago really got stuck in a boring division. Should be pretty easy to win though.

Doubt it. Minny, St.Louis, and soon to be Avs are going to be really good in the coming years. Should be challenging for all teams. Winnipeg aint no slouch either. Fuck Nashville.

 

[Smiley90]

Is she related to Crawford or dating him in any way?

I'm pretty sure that's Bolland's wife.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

I'm pretty sure that's Bolland's wife.

Oh for some reason I thought she was wearing a Crawford jersey.

Didn't see the game last night so I didnt catch any commentary

 

[Merguson]

Still arguing about Kassian?

 

[Coldnoodle]

Still arguing about Kassian?

 

[T.M. MacReady]

We need some good news to break to end this quarrel.

Or we can all agree that we need a link to hot goalie chick already and unite in that cause.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Kassian is a real human being. End of salt.

 

[Samyy]

Did someone say hot goalie chick!

 

[Razorskin]

Kassian is a real human being. End of salt.

I need to watch that movie.

 

[Marvie_3]

Oh for some reason I thought she was wearing a Crawford jersey.

Didn't see the game last night so I didnt catch any commentary

She is.

 

[RC]

Did someone say hot goalie chick!

Yeah, but what's her GAA?

 

[Cake Boss]

Is she a butterfly or a hybrid?

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Can she jump?

 

[Smiley90]

Anyone else here watching the Texas filibuster?

... Probably not. It's fun, though.

 

[ShaneB]

Oh for some reason I thought she was wearing a Crawford jersey.

Didn't see the game last night so I didnt catch any commentary

Yeah, she got the airtime after Bolland's goal, so like Smiley, assume it's his wife, I'm sure they mentioned it, but I never caught it.

 

[Smiley90]

Yeah, she got the airtime after Bolland's goal, so like Smiley, assume it's his wife, I'm sure they mentioned it, but I never caught it.

I think they mentioned it during the post-game interviews on the ice. They talked about his wife and then showed the woman in the stands. At least I think that was during Bolland's interview...

 

[Samyy]

Whats a fillibuster