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NHL Off-Season 2013 |OT| Celebrate Good Times Come On
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Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Two words Philip Kuba
I can't believe the morons at HF don't understand the concept that gardiner as an 1 year into RFA at 22 years old performing equal to letang relative to age is worth more than letang on a 1 year into UFA. Guaranteed minimum 4 years upwards of 10+ vs guarantee of 1.
Like... Wtf.
Like... Wtf.
Coldnoodle
Member
Said it before and I'll say it again, you do NOT pick a D man with that high of a pick unless you KNOW he's going to be great.
You should've also listed the busts for D for the first 5 vs the stars for the first 5
Busts
Hedman - 2nd overall
Schenn - 5th overall (come at me, Leaf bros!)
Hickey - 4th overall
Alzner - 5th overall
Johnson - 1st overall
Johnson - 3rd overall
Barker - 3rd overall
Bouwmeester - 3rd overall
Klesla - 4th overall
Zyuzin - 2nd overall
Philips (this really depends on how much stock you put at a stay at home defenseman in a really weak draft) - 1st overall
Berard - 1st overall (in this case though, we never know what would've happened had Hossa not injured his eye)
Redden - 2nd overall (he did have a good few years, but I'd say he didn't produce as much for what he was given)
Berg - 3rd overall
Tverdovsky - 2nd overall
Not even close, dude's a beast and is our number one on the back-end.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
I've never seen such a long article with so much random nonsense thrown in just to say Letang hasn't been signed yet...
SpectreFire
Member
Wat.Said it before and I'll say it again, you do NOT pick a D man with that high of a pick unless you KNOW he's going to be great.
You should've also listed the busts for D for the first 5 vs the stars for the first 5
Busts
Hedman - 2nd overall
Schenn - 5th overall (come at me, Leaf bros!
Hickey - 4th overall
Alzner - 5th overall
Johnson - 1st overall
Johnson - 3rd overall
Barker - 3rd overall
Bouwmeester - 3rd overall
Klesla - 4th overall
Zyuzin - 2nd overall
Philips (this really depends on how much stock you put at a stay at home defenseman in a really weak draft) - 1st overall
Berard - 1st overall (in this case though, we never know what would've happened had Hossa not injured his eye)
Redden - 2nd overall (he did have a good few years, but I'd say he didn't produce as much for what he was given)
Berg - 3rd overall
Tverdovsky - 2nd overall
Only a handful of those players are still in the league on a regular basis and even fewer have much, if any, impact.
Doughty, Jovanovski, Pietrangelo, Pronger are the only real gems I could find going back to 1993. That's 20 years...
God I hope this doesn't hold true for Cap'n Morgan :'(
edit: if you also take a look at the top 10 scoring defensemen in the league this year, only Suter, Phaneuf, Green, and Kronwall are the only ones even chosen in the first round.
Hedman, Alzner, Jack Johnson and Bouwmeester are busts?
I guess according to Leafs fans, top 2 and top 4 defensemen are considered bust players.
Letang is a young defenseman with 6 NHL seasons under his belt and just entering his prime. His point production has also been monster for the past three seasons.
Gardiner is a young defenseman with 1 full NHL season under his belt and just finished what most considered a down year in his development.
Sure things are worth more than potential. Not hard to figure out.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
j-Blow has been nothing but Capt. Average. In a draft where we could've had Nash or Staal. Yeah he is a bust.
Coldnoodle
Member
People are throwing around the word bust like it's nothing.
And Rick Nash is the definition of Capt. Average.
And Rick Nash is the definition of Capt. Average.
SpectreFire
Member
Nash was taken 1st overall and there's not even a single Staal in that draft.
I'd hardly consider someone who's played an entire career as a top 4 and top 2 defenseman is considered anything near a bust.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
Said it before and I'll say it again, you do NOT pick a D man with that high of a pick unless you KNOW he's going to be great.
You should've also listed the busts for D for the first 5 vs the stars for the first 5
Busts
Hedman - 2nd overall
Schenn - 5th overall (come at me, Leaf bros!
Hickey - 4th overall
Alzner - 5th overall
Johnson - 1st overall
Johnson - 3rd overall
Barker - 3rd overall
Bouwmeester - 3rd overall
Klesla - 4th overall
Zyuzin - 2nd overall
Philips (this really depends on how much stock you put at a stay at home defenseman in a really weak draft) - 1st overall
Berard - 1st overall (in this case though, we never know what would've happened had Hossa not injured his eye)
Redden - 2nd overall (he did have a good few years, but I'd say he didn't produce as much for what he was given)
Berg - 3rd overall
Tverdovsky - 2nd overall
Only a handful of those players are still in the league on a regular basis and even fewer have much, if any, impact.
Doughty, Jovanovski, Pietrangelo, Pronger are the only real gems I could find going back to 1993. That's 20 years...
God I hope this doesn't hold true for Cap'n Morgan :'(
edit: if you also take a look at the top 10 scoring defensemen in the league this year, only Suter, Phaneuf, Green, and Kronwall are the only ones even chosen in the first round.
That's not really fair to Redden, he was great for most of his NHL career.
:lol :lol
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
I'd like to hear his explanation on how our best defenseman is a bust.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Not worth that high a pick when they could've had any number of forwards that would have more impact
Hedman has done nothing. You know the Isles could have had him or Tavares. Who is the more impact player now? Johnson has done nothing and isn't considered for any trophies nor has he scored much. Bouwmeester is way overhyped. Low point production, overpaid, and the only thing I've seen out of him is speed.
great for the first few years and then not even great in the AHL for a large number of years.
I didn't include last year's D batch since it's way too soon, but I still don't think you pick D that high unless he is something special. Jones will definitely go top 5 though.
And of all those I mentioned, with maybe Redden as an exception, I don't believe any have been Norris candidates or winners, scoring leaders amongst D, and I even wonder how many of them even have Cups.
CrazedArabMan
Member
#1 Nose!
Dang it Holland, get him resigned!!!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
#1 Nose!
Dang it Holland, get him resigned!!!
Listening to the rhetoric being spewed by Holland, I think Brunner is as good as gone, sadly.
I was out of town yesterday--did anything happen with the Phoenix Coyotes/Glendale?
They gotta trade him because they're all poor and shit and lose almost as much money as Phoenix.
BOG meeting is today so there's a chance something happens. Who knows anymore though...
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Said it before and I'll say it again, you do NOT pick a D man with that high of a pick unless you KNOW he's going to be great.
You should've also listed the busts for D for the first 5 vs the stars for the first 5
Busts
Hedman - 2nd overall
Schenn - 5th overall (come at me, Leaf bros!
Hickey - 4th overall
Alzner - 5th overall
Johnson - 1st overall
Johnson - 3rd overall
Barker - 3rd overall
Bouwmeester - 3rd overall
Klesla - 4th overall
Zyuzin - 2nd overall
Philips (this really depends on how much stock you put at a stay at home defenseman in a really weak draft) - 1st overall
Berard - 1st overall (in this case though, we never know what would've happened had Hossa not injured his eye)
Redden - 2nd overall (he did have a good few years, but I'd say he didn't produce as much for what he was given)
Berg - 3rd overall
Tverdovsky - 2nd overall
Only a handful of those players are still in the league on a regular basis and even fewer have much, if any, impact.
Doughty, Jovanovski, Pietrangelo, Pronger are the only real gems I could find going back to 1993. That's 20 years...
God I hope this doesn't hold true for Cap'n Morgan :'(
edit: if you also take a look at the top 10 scoring defensemen in the league this year, only Suter, Phaneuf, Green, and Kronwall are the only ones even chosen in the first round.
I wish we'd have kept Schenn somehow to get JVR. Schenn would've done great in Carlyle's system
Can't believe people are throwing "bust" around so easily. Schenn isn't flashy, yeah he's slow but he just needs the right environment to flourish. He's still really young and will take time to develop into a top shutdown D.
Settle down cat. Go roll in some catnip.
KernelPanic
Member
It's the usual rumor mill nonsense that somehow always has to mention the Leafs as a destination for no reason at all.
I imagine HFB is having a ball with this.
Only if its like $4M per year max and like a 4 year deal max.
KernelPanic
Member
French Canadian players don't want to play for the Habs if they have any say in it.
i'd be okay with this to be honest, trade Desharnais for 2-3 pucks and a giant hotdog to make some space
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
He has Detroit written all over him.
Sad but true.
Vinny is used to warm weather now. He will go to Florida/Anaheim/LA/San Jose
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'll take it.
Yay, Philly no longer has the biggest buyout in history.
http://www.capgeek.com/buyouts
But Holmgren's still in a bad mood...
http://www.csnphilly.com/video_content_type/holmgren-not-amused-barkanns-joke
http://www.capgeek.com/buyouts
But Holmgren's still in a bad mood...
http://www.csnphilly.com/video_content_type/holmgren-not-amused-barkanns-joke
CrazedArabMan
Member
That or Weiss. We are getting one of those Florida/Tampa Centermen!!!
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Hmm if Weiss walk having Huberdeau and VLC would be amazing
. We'd have the superior French connection.
. We'd have the superior French connection.
KernelPanic
Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Vinik
I am sure he doesn't blow money on investigating Matt Cooke either.
Freyjadour
Member
Oh god please work some magic here Army. Fuck that would be nice.
Grab Pavs while you're at it and move Backes to the wing.
Hnnnnng.
Would be sweet. I'm not getting my hopes up. A future full of faceoff losses and 13 goal seasons is our fate at center.
Is he worth 4m a year at this point? He was invisible against Montreal every game this season. There's going to be so much pressure on Bergevin to sign him either way.
The Desharnais contract looks even worse now, they could have their centre depth look like Plekanec, Lecavelier, Eller, 4thliner. I doubt he signs with Montreal anyway.