I'm taking age into consideration which is why I phrased it as a GM picking a D-man to build around at this current point. Subban and Karlsson are only going to get better, and they're already a Norris winner and Norris nominee. Weber's defensive game is better then both of theirs at this point, but both Karlsson and Subban have a better over all package imo.
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NHL Off-Season 2013 |OT| Celebrate Good Times Come On
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Dastardly Jerks
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Solo didn't save a seat for me, so if it's cool with you guys I'm just gonna steal a cushion off this chair and sit in the corner.
You can sit with us at the table of despair.
Yeah there's always a seat for you at our table, Dastardly. The table of sucking Division Winners.
The shittiest exclusive club around!
Unhandled Exception
Member
Welcome to bigger and better things Ducks fans.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Play it once, Sam. For old times' sake.
I don't know what you mean, Mr Jerks sir.
Play it, Sam. Play "All we do is ween ween" from the San Manuel Casino commercial
Oh, I can't remember it, Mr Jerks. I'm a little rusty on it.
I'll hum it for you... all we *hic* do is... ween... *sob* *hic*... weeeeen
... *hic*
Sing it, Sam.
EDIT: Wait this was meant to be in the Postseason thread, sorry for xpost.
I don't know what you mean, Mr Jerks sir.
Play it, Sam. Play "All we do is ween ween" from the San Manuel Casino commercial
Oh, I can't remember it, Mr Jerks. I'm a little rusty on it.
I'll hum it for you... all we *hic* do is... ween... *sob* *hic*... weeeeen
... *hic*
Sing it, Sam.
EDIT: Wait this was meant to be in the Postseason thread, sorry for xpost.
Freyjadour
Member
Rattie with a hatty takes the WHL playoff goal record and WHL playoff MVP.
More excited for training camp than I've been in a very long time.
More excited for training camp than I've been in a very long time.
Hello Heretic.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Brethren!
It is the Offseason Teat. It sustains us until October. As you can see, it is much fuller than normal, as the Leafs fans, unusually, have not yet suckled.
You know, the parallels between Anaheim and Montreal the last 2 years are uncanny.
Both had horrendous 2011-2012 season. Ducks were 13th in the West and 25th overall, Habs were 15th in the East and 28th overall. Both teams did 180's in 2013. Ducks jumped 11 spots in the West (to 2nd) and 22 spots overall (to 3rd), Habs jumped 13 spots in the East (to 2nd) and 24 spots overall (to 4th). Both entered the playoffs as a #2 seed.
Both were eliminated by the #7 seed :_(
Habs/Ducks 2015-2016 SCF, believe!
Both had horrendous 2011-2012 season. Ducks were 13th in the West and 25th overall, Habs were 15th in the East and 28th overall. Both teams did 180's in 2013. Ducks jumped 11 spots in the West (to 2nd) and 22 spots overall (to 3rd), Habs jumped 13 spots in the East (to 2nd) and 24 spots overall (to 4th). Both entered the playoffs as a #2 seed.
Both were eliminated by the #7 seed :_(
Habs/Ducks 2015-2016 SCF, believe!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So, yesterday I and some other Wings fans were slamming Babcock for putting Samuelsson at center last night.
Here's his time on ice for the entire night: 4:20. He was about 15 feet behind the play on Anaheim's 1st goal because of how slow he is. I don't believe he played another second after that play.
Babcock definitely did a good job leading Detroit to win this series, but some of his decisions are absolutely mind-boggling.
Here's his time on ice for the entire night: 4:20. He was about 15 feet behind the play on Anaheim's 1st goal because of how slow he is. I don't believe he played another second after that play.
Babcock definitely did a good job leading Detroit to win this series, but some of his decisions are absolutely mind-boggling.
yankeehater
Member
I dont see how it is even a question. I love PK but I would definitely take Weber over him.
yankeehater
Member
Well at least 1 of those is likely to happen.
yankeehater
Member
I can see a lot of the teams at the back of the draft trying to move up. Seems like there will still be really good players available at like 10 - 15, unlike most years. I just hope the Flyers can move up and get an impact making defenseman.
Nice to see Bergevin get some recognition.
However, I'd say his bad moves (DD $14M/4 years, Moen contract, Boullion re-signing, doing sweet fuck all at the deadline to improve the team) are about equal to his good ones (Prust signing, Subban signing, Gomez buyout, Cole trade).
Subban got his invite to the Worlds, I can finally sleep at night.
The only one of these that is genuinely a bad move right now is the Moen contract.
At the time it was a great contract and if he can get back to his play from last year it still is. No one expected him to continue his awful play for the entire season and I find it hard to believe he had one good season and now he's worthless.
That's the realistic, hindsight is easy view of it. Sucks he's been garbage, but I honestly don't think he's not going to get back to his play somewhat.
This is a very good point, Pacioretty wasn't playing like how he needs to in order to compliment Desharnais' game. It's not an excuse but it's not an coincidence both faltered at the same time.
I'm glad Bergevin didn't do much at the deadline, in hindsight obviously because they lost, but even before there was no way they were matching Pittsburgh or Boston's deadline moves. Knowing what we know I might do the Regher trade, but I'm not even sure how much that would have helped them this series given the disappearing act from most of the forwards.
Getting Regher or Clowe wouldn't have changed a thing, and we would be with less draft picks right now. Every single player on the team that is a core player or playing amazing came through the draft. Those whole "We need to be big and bad" stuff is bullshit, we lost because of injuries and because Anderson beat Price by a large margin, not because we didn't have enough chimps on the team.
Canada's WHC team is saved! Yzerman no longer an idiot! BLESSED BE THE SUBBAN
But can he jump?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Subban-Campbell need to be a pairing, at least on the PP. lawd baby jay-sus.
Being bigger and tougher doesn't mean chimps. We do need to get bigger and tougher. We are the shortest team in the league and our team toughness is a joke. Ottawa (who is not even in the upper echelon of tough teams) bent us over and had their way with us. That is embarassing and should never happen. This team will go nowhere in the playoffs any time soon without getting stronger character/leadership in the room and the toughness (both physical and mental) required to grind out a playoff series. Speed is only an asset when you can use it. Good coaches can neutralize it like Maclean did, or like Laviolette did in 2010. How did both teams do it? By using what Montreal lacks: size, toughness and physicality.
KernelPanic
Member
Not sure where you are getting from, we are #5 in the NHL in average weight and #3 in average height. Montreal is #28 and #30 respectively.
http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html
They might be taller and heavier, but the Sens aren't a team that instantly comes to mind when I think of tough, hard-nosed teams. That's all I meant.
Where are we going to get these big, skilled character players then? Every single GM wants to get bigger, like Bergevin said it will have to come through the draft unless you feel like giving up a Subban or an Eller. We took Boston to 7 games and came from behind a 2 goal lead against them this year and they're the biggest, toughest team in the league. If Price is like his regular self this series goes to 7 and we have a great chance of winning it, I agree if we can get size that's great but Ottawa didn't beat us because they beat us in a line brawl they beat us because Price was below average and 3 of our top forwards were injured in game 1. It doesn't matter how tough the team was, there's no coming back from that. The team has tons of character and leadership, Bergevin will get size, but trying to remake the teams DNA to do it would be stupid.
KernelPanic
Member
Oh I see.
Ottawa doesn't really have a reputation for anything right now. We're technically in a rebuild right now.
Yeah, you tend to think of Boston or Philly (although not so much with their current roster) when you think of tough teams.
Boston is so good because they're the holy trinity of big, skilled and tough. I hate the Bruins, but from an objective standpoint, no one in the league has built their team so well over the past 5-7 years.
The Sens physicality obviously took a toll on the team, but having a knee jerk reaction to that series would be a mistake. Team is getting bigger anyways through a natural process, Gionta will be gone soon, Tinordi, Bealieu, Galchenyuk, Eller, Subban, Emelin, Pacioretty are all above 6 feet. Going out and over paying for a Clowe or Clarkson in the off season would hurt the club in 2 years.
That would be a pretty sick PP pairing, especially with the larger ice.