KernelPanic
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It'd be hilarious if we end up with Max after playing against his Dad all these years.
Oh the irony.
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NHL Off-Season 2013 |OT| Celebrate Good Times Come On
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It'd be hilarious if we end up with Max after playing against his Dad all these years.
Oh the irony.
yankeehater
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I would take Jones over him for sure. Surprised to see it starting to go the other way.
Yeah, I would too. Still, after that series it is pretty close. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
Depends on your needs. MacKinnon was extremely impressive during the Memorial Cup. The fact that he elevated his game *while Jones was on the ice* is apparently not going to be ignored.
yankeehater
Member
I have no doubt that Mac will be a great player, but I think a top flight defenseman is much harder to find then a top forward. Maybe it is just the Flyers defensive struggles clouding my mind though. If Mac does go 1st Homer should trade what ever it takes to get the 2nd pick.
Scouts are just like fans, they have the whole " What have you done for me lately" mentality and the shiny new product thinking. If the memorial cup was held in January and the juniors tournament was held last week, all of the talk would be how Jones dominated that tournament and is the clear cut #1 pick, and how Mac sucked at the tourney and how Drouin outplayed him and should be picked over him.
You have to look at the whole body of work of their seasons and not just a couple of weeks here and there.
You have to look at the whole body of work of their seasons and not just a couple of weeks here and there.
^^^ true, though scouts consider these tournaments to be indicative of a certain trait where the players do better under more difficult circumstances.
That said, Mac is the first player to give 'Crosby vibes' in quite a while. And if he's not going to be as valuable as Crosby, which he won't be, then he could be at the level of Tavares and look at what he's done for the Isles.
So I think an argument could go either way. But I'm pretty sure that the Avs will take Jones.
Jones has a higher ceiling than Mac (imo) and a dman of his calibre is more difficult to find, yeah.
That said, Mac is the first player to give 'Crosby vibes' in quite a while. And if he's not going to be as valuable as Crosby, which he won't be, then he could be at the level of Tavares and look at what he's done for the Isles.
So I think an argument could go either way. But I'm pretty sure that the Avs will take Jones.
brucewaynegretzky
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The more I read about Nurse the more I want the Flyers to trade up to get him....
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Mac won't have the Crosby playmaking but his scoring touch is unreal. He is close to Stamkos/ Hall with a touch of Bure in his skates. Watching him skate is unreal. It's the rare amount of speed and fluidity which will put him among the league's best skaters as a rookie.
yankeehater
Member
I just hope they trade up for some defenseman. The FA market looks bleak and there is no way that they can go into next season with the same terrible group.
I don't think anyone we could draft on D would be ready next year. Maybe Jones, but even then it would be better if he spent a year or two developing before getting called up.
yankeehater
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brucewaynegretzky
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yankeehater
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I thought that tons of guys have come right from the draft and played in the NHL. Flyers just need guys that can play minutes and not get hurt constantly.
Unhandled Exception
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A deal could always be made for dat #1 pick cats fans.
Didn't mean to suggest they're the same type of player. Just in terms of what kind of impact he could have.
Besides, Connor McDavid is the real Next Next One.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Not many D-men, particularly guys that young. Traditional thought is that D-men take longer to develop for a number of reasons.
Zod the Bear
Member
Ristolainen might have an easier transition, since he's been playing in an adult league. Might benefit him to get some guidance from Timonen while we still have him.
Other than maybe him, wouldn't want any other D we could draft jumping to the main league this year. They'd all benefit from another year mastering/dominating the junior level (depending on their talent level) and then adjusting to the AHL after that before coming up. Murray'll help a lot with that adjustment. AHL time will only help them before hitting the NHL.
Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Gustafsson
Grossman-Mezaros
(maybe Lauridsen as 7th for further development? Will have to clear waivers next year, so I can see them keeping him with the main club.)
Won't be godawful if they stay healthy (though they admittedly won't.)
Other than maybe him, wouldn't want any other D we could draft jumping to the main league this year. They'd all benefit from another year mastering/dominating the junior level (depending on their talent level) and then adjusting to the AHL after that before coming up. Murray'll help a lot with that adjustment. AHL time will only help them before hitting the NHL.
Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Gustafsson
Grossman-Mezaros
(maybe Lauridsen as 7th for further development? Will have to clear waivers next year, so I can see them keeping him with the main club.)
Won't be godawful if they stay healthy (though they admittedly won't.)
ZeroGravity
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brucewaynegretzky
Member
Barf.
Zod the Bear
Member
Not sure who'll be available this summer. Maybe they throw some money at Streit or Hainsey for a year or so?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
It's happening!
Only 3 people I want to see drop the 1st puck next season: 1. Scott Mellanby 2. Bill Torrey 3. Wayne Huizinga.
Only 3 people I want to see drop the 1st puck next season: 1. Scott Mellanby 2. Bill Torrey 3. Wayne Huizinga.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Peace out Bryz.
yankeehater
Member
If they are over the cap they will no choice right, they have to have money to bring in some players. We all know that multiple defensemen are going to be hurt and miss time.
This may be a stupid question, I don't really get the salary cap rules, but is that counting Pronger against the cap? Since he can't be put on LTIR until the season starts?
equippedwithtowel
Member
We need to get to the cap floor as well.
The only dman I see in UFA that will interest Murray would be the clitsaurus Grant Clitsome.
KernelPanic
Member
They'll probably trade for someone. UFA market sucks (like it does every year).
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Take back Kuba, yes?
Does he come with a Shawn Mathias?
This has the potential of another Holmgren blockbuster trade at draft day.
equippedwithtowel
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brucewaynegretzky
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yankeehater
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yankeehater
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I wonder what it would take for the Flyers to move up, Couts Reed and 3 1st round picks?
equippedwithtowel
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Can you please give us a center??
Explains why Galchenyuk went 3rd overall.
He's coached against them, so he definitely has a intriguing opinion, and of Mack / Druin I would personally take Druin, but I don't see how Jones is passed up.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
So HFboards are saying we are going after Alain Vignault? Please no.
I don't know why anyone would be upset with getting AV as a coach, he's still great even if he worn out his welcome in Vancouver.
I dont know, elite centers and franchise d-men are the hardest thing to find in this league, I guess Avs will do okay whatever they do
But Seth Jones would be quite something to build around.
They already have Duchene, O'Rielly and Statsny.
I'm expecting some big moves on draft day with how good the top end is, hopefully that includes Bergevin, although I've accepted there's not chance of him nabbing a guy like Druin without giving up Subban +.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
As long as #1 takes Jones...
You can't really complain if Cats did end up with Druin or Jones.....It's like complaining you got an Aston Martin instead of a Ferarri.
yankeehater
Member
Does anyone know the last time the 1st overall pick was traded?