so he's like a reverse Ovechkin?
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so he's like a reverse Ovechkin?
Give me a break. Everyone on the team played like shit. Trying to build a case around the lowest point in Phil's career, where nobody around him was able to support him is ridiculous.
Why not look at actual data instead of relying on media-driven narratives?
In the first 41 games of the season he generated 138 individual scoring chances, scoring 18 goals. In the second 41 games he generated 133 individual scoring chances, scoring 7 goals. His shooting % in the two halves of the season were 15% and 4.7% respectively.
but no obviously he played like total shit and it wasn't just a massive sh% dip that was collectively faced by the entire team. and I'm sure his sh% is going to stay well below his career average next year, that seems like a safe assumption to make, right? (lol)
Calamari41
41 > 38
This just illustrates everything wrong with Toronto media. Fuck hacks like Simmons and Feschuk:
Makes me grateful for the fact that the Orange County hockey media consists of a guy who spends most of his column space telling stories about negative experiences he has had in the city of the Ducks' current opponent.
Thomas given a 1 year, 2 way extension. He'll need to go through waivers to go back to the AHL, so he'll either be moved or claimed, I don't see him playing full time on this team.
You'd be naive to believe that.
Exactly.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
Whose Left as UFAs?
This management group so far has done a good job insulating and protecting Nylander from the Toronto media. I expect the same for Marner.
Last year when we turned into complete shit a lot of the media were demanding the Leafs bring up Nylander for a few games just to show us what might come.
Dubas and Shanahan stayed firm in that he was not coming up what so ever despite how much demand there was. It ended up disappearing when they realized he wasn't going to come up just for the sake of it.
Last year when we turned into complete shit a lot of the media were demanding the Leafs bring up Nylander for a few games just to show us what might come.
Dubas and Shanahan stayed firm in that he was not coming up what so ever despite how much demand there was. It ended up disappearing when they realized he wasn't going to come up just for the sake of it.
This just illustrates everything wrong with Toronto media. Fuck hacks like Simmons and Feschuk:
"Nearly" as vile. Dreger could have worded that better.
CrazedArabMan
Member
Some Blashill development speech to get me pumped up for the season after yesterday, let's get this year started (now to wait 3 months):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7DPyOQM_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7DPyOQM_w
I don't think the media says Kessel is vile. He's just lazy and not motivated. Everyone knows that.
Quit with the facts stats-nerd, we go on gut feel here.
Coldnoodle
Member
I really hope he fulfills his potential especially in that market.
well... let's be fair
the team kapanen was playing on was complete garbage
http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=536&year0=2015&status=stats
Kasperi Bustanen
Dan Cleary, Joel Ward, Johnny Oduya, Cody Franson, John Scott
A better prospect, and a first round pick without a stupid condition (pens will make the playoffs), but it would be typical loleafs for the pens to miss the playoffs these next two seasons and only get a 2017 second rounder from Kessel though.
Dan Cleary, Joel Ward, Johnny Oduya, Cody Franson, John Scott
A better prospect, and a first round pick without a stupid condition (pens will make the playoffs), but it would be typical loleafs for the pens to miss the playoffs these next two seasons and only get a 2017 second rounder from Kessel though.
dem
Member
I'm not saying its a good trade.
But when your local media runs your reputation into the ground, you make a lot of money and the cap isn't moving, you have a NTC, and your team wants you out of the locker room... what can you realistically expect?
The circus that surrounded the leafs for the last few years has put them in a terrible situation.
Next up, Dion Phaneuf.
Trevor Smith signed in Bern. Good for him.
Like i said earlier, what I realistically expected is, if this is the best they could do, then not trading him until at the very least they gave him a chance to rebound. If that's next summer so be it. It's the stench of desperation and a failure to properly value their asset that reeks.
Like i said earlier, what I realistically expected is, if this is the best they could do, then not trading him until at the very least they gave him a chance to rebound. If that's next summer so be it. It's the stench of desperation and a failure to properly value their asset that reeks.
dem
Member
It would be an even bigger circus if they rolled into camp with Kessel and co still leafs.
bonesmccoy
Banned
I see we've reached the Anger stage of the grieving process.
I KID.
Zroid, all of this is true. But it's also true that Kessel, as the highest paid player on the team and the one 'star', is going to get much of the blame for the team's anemic offence in the 2nd half of the season. Acknowledging that reality is not 'relying on media-driven narratives' - in fact, that's clearly what the rest of the league was thinking, else the interest in getting him would have been much greater.
Couple this with the off the ice quirks, as referenced in Mirtle's article, and you have the trade environment the Leafs f/o has been forced to work in. I think it sucks, and it is unfair given what you've pointed out, but it is what it is.
Red_Man said:
I don't think Kapanen will be pressured by the fan base to succeed because 1) he's not going to be in the NHL for a couple years at least and 2) he's not going to be a centre-piece of the rebuild.
That *can* change however if the Penguins end up missing the playoffs in 2016 and 2017 and the Leafs only end up with him, Harrington and the 3rd round pick from the trade.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
For those that may be watching him closer, but does Kapanen look like he will start this coming season with the Leafs? I have him in fantasy.
he was expected to play in AHL next year with pens, assume the same for leafs
bonesmccoy
Banned
I highly doubt it. He'll most likely get put in the AHL.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Thanks for that. I wonder if I should still hold onto him just in case he comes up.
I'm just happy I get to draft McDavid in my fantasy league
.I've been a bit surprised at how many penguins fans have said that Kapanen is only 20 or 30 AHL games season away from the NHL.
I think with the whole not bringing up prospects until they are 100% ready, he is at least a full AHL season away from the NHL. Perhaps I'll be proved wrong
I think with the whole not bringing up prospects until they are 100% ready, he is at least a full AHL season away from the NHL. Perhaps I'll be proved wrong
Leafs are going to ice their best lineup of the year in preseason
CreeperBlocks
Banned
We Re-signed Thomas? That's Fine.
I can see Andrighetto making it to the Team this year and Maybe Hudon
I can see Andrighetto making it to the Team this year and Maybe Hudon
Hey you aren't wrong. I was sad yesterday, then I slept on it and the anger had a chance to fester a bit. :lol
Anyway I need to take a break from the hockey news cycle for a couple days. Maybe I'll actually play a video game or something.
yesss Marlies will actually be fun to watch. it's nice having a real life farm system for once. Too bad the shitty CHL agreement means no Marner. Hope some London Knights games will be televised.
FLEECED
There's already reports that Kapanen might be just a 3rd line player, any expectations are based on whether he gets any better than that. I don't think he'll have any huge pressure to be great because he came in for Phil. Fans will be focused on the guys that are supposed to become high-end players. Rielly, Marner, Nylander right now. If those guys don't pan out, people will be pissed.
I had Phil in my fantasy.
This sounds....wrong.
Kapanen is only 18. He was drafted as a 17 year old. to put in perspective, kadri started playing in the AHL as a 20 year old.
hockeystreams...
watchin' both like last season!
right! i have to freeze my account!
Coldnoodle
Member
I hope people throw donuts onto the ice
That's what they said during the Frenzy too. Kapanen isn't going to be much, if anything at all.
The Pens deal was supposedly the lowest amount of salary retention the Leafs could get. Zero teams were willing to take on Kessel's full contract, so basically the Leafs couldn't give him away for the full salary dump.
So they get a 1st and junk for retaining some salary. It was a combo of terrible contract and a player that few teams want. They were never going to get much.
Keep Kessel and hope for more later? Or take the best dump offer and go full tank this season? Tough decision for Leaf management.
Classless American being classless.
Coldnoodle
Member
fixed.
Did he request a trade?! I don't see him going anywhere otherwise.
I'm late to the talk I know, but I'm intrigued by the Kassian/Prust deal. I know Prust is a "heart and soul" type player, but with Kassian I can't help but feel more optimistic that the puck has a better chance of going in the net. Plus with the freed up money they can make a better bridge deal for AGally. Plus if Kassian doesn't pan out, he's gone in a year, when there's a potentially better UFA pool.
I don't think they're done yet either though. I don't see Eller lasting the whole season.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Yes I think this was the dilemma that the Leafs had. Offers weren't going to get better for Kessel: his contract is long and the teams on his list have their best players locked up long-term. Everyone knew he was capable of 40 goals even after a down year.