I'm guessing that he has it because someone left it at her mother's front door.
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NHL Off-Season 2015 |OT2| What are the Odds of Hockey in Vegas?
- Thread starter Lone_Prodigy
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Calamari41
41 > 38
I'm guessing that he has it because someone left it at her mother's front door.
You don't think the District Attorney's office and the prosecution would be interested in taking possession of it?
Cop drove Kane home the night of the incident too. Everything about this is fucked.
Reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger and his cop friends
NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly says Patrick Kane's playing status remains unchanged. He's still in camp with the #blackhawks.
Unfuckingbelievable.
You don't think the District Attorney's office and the prosecution would be interested in taking possession of it?
What I meant about family representation probably comes first in this instance. Not saying the DA and prosecution is incompetent, but in a fight like this where everyone is likely against you? Probably makes sense that the one guy that is on your payroll makes the statement.
Calamari41
41 > 38
What I meant about family representation probably comes first in this instance. Not saying the DA and prosecution is incompetent, but in a fight like this where everyone is likely against you? Probably makes sense that the one guy that is on your payroll makes the statement.
Oh I definitely agree with that, I just don't think that the prosecutor would hand over evidence bags unless they're working together way more closely than I would assume to be normal.
I would definitely think that, but seeing as how it already somehow escaped their possession, who knows what the protocol is. Surely they'll return it at some point?You don't think the District Attorney's office and the prosecution would be interested in taking possession of it?
they're basically doubling down on the poor decision they already madeFuck the NHL seriously
it's completely garbage
I think the biggest thing here for me here is if there was a trial, and we got to hear all the testimony and evidence I think we would be able to at least clear Kane based on the evidence and, I dont know, at least believe he maybe didn't do it.
If because of this whole mess there is no trial or seriously impairs the prosecution then I can't ever really believe Kane didn't do it.
Does that make sense? I don't know this is making me really upset...
If because of this whole mess there is no trial or seriously impairs the prosecution then I can't ever really believe Kane didn't do it.
Does that make sense? I don't know this is making me really upset...
apocalidiot
Banned
None of this makes any sense. I cannot see how any investigation could allow the accuser's family to possess any evidence. OK, so it's been stolen and tampered with? How bout you take it back immediately to prevent further tampering?
They just have the bag, which has the name of the alleged victim written on it, as well as the nurse's initials who administered the rape kit. Unless that is what you mean? Also, the alleged victim's lawyer is calling for an independent investigation of the whole matter
scissorfight
Banned
This is a joke. The NHL needs to put on its big boy pants and suspend Kane already.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
This is a joke. The NHL needs to put on its big boy pants and suspend Kane already.
Absolutely.
They just have the bag, which has the name of the alleged victim written on it, as well as the nurse's initials who administered the rape kit. Unless that is what you mean? Also, the alleged victim's lawyer is calling for an independent investigation of the whole matter
ya even if it's the bag. you never know how it might come into use for you later. let's say they eventually manage to connect this back to kane and they try to introduce the bag into evidence in court. judge will immediately throw it out because what if the family itself did some tampering now?
that's assuming they even have the bag, which i'm not really sure where that came from lol
wsoxfan1214
Banned
Ffs. Gross.
I don't understand.
Wasn't the evidence likely tampered with AFTER the results were recorded? I'm assuming the results were complete and no further information could come from the rape kit that wasn't already known.
This is bizarre. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the purpose behind any of this.
Wasn't the evidence likely tampered with AFTER the results were recorded? I'm assuming the results were complete and no further information could come from the rape kit that wasn't already known.
This is bizarre. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the purpose behind any of this.
Calamari41
41 > 38
ya even if it's the bag. you never know how it might come into use for you later. let's say they eventually manage to connect this back to kane and they try to introduce the bag into evidence in court. judge will immediately throw it out because what if the family itself did some tampering now?
that's assuming they even have the bag, which i'm not really sure where that came from lol
During the press conference, the lawyer was holding it up (sealed in its own evidence bag). I'm sure its with the DA's office now. I just mentioned it because I agreed with you in finding it very strange that a family attorney would be this tied in with the investigation/prosecution.
The family did have sole possession of it, though, for at least the time between finding it at the front door and the authorities being contacted about it.
Something's Fuckey going on in this Kane case
I'm so confused by this whole thing I'm just not gonna speculate, wait and see what happens.
It's wack.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Can do nothing but shake my head when wacky shit like this happens.
Money and fame at work.
Money and fame at work.
I don't understand.
Wasn't the evidence likely tampered with AFTER the results were recorded? I'm assuming the results were complete and no further information could come from the rape kit that wasn't already known.
This is bizarre. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the purpose behind any of this.
The point is, if someone can take the evidence, remove it from police custody and put it in front of their house, we have no idea what else could have possibly happened to the evidence all throughout the investigation. All we know is that the integrity is compromised.
Was it completely untouched and legit? Possible.
Was it altered by the family lawyer? Possible.
Was it altered by whoever took it? Possible.
Was it altered before being tested? Possible.
This shows there is a problem/leak in the police department, which means we have no idea of knowing whether the evidence is real or not. THAT is the clusterfuck.
For all we know, the evidence could be altered pro-Kane OR pro-woman, we dont know. All we know is that something is fishy.
scissorfight
Banned
you can't really compare some schlub in a cubicle to one of the most famous hockey players in the world anyway. it's not realistic.People on the main board are fucked
There is no way you would not be suspended from your workplace for something like this
I don't understand.
Wasn't the evidence likely tampered with AFTER the results were recorded? I'm assuming the results were complete and no further information could come from the rape kit that wasn't already known.
This is bizarre. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the purpose behind any of this.
I honestly dunno how rape kits work, but don't they have to analyze anything they find? (e.g. could samples be matched with Kane) Are they able to do that immediately? I kinda doubt it.
Calamari41
41 > 38
People on the main board are fucked
There is no way you would not be suspended from your workplace for something like this
You mean the accusation to begin with? Or the fact that evidence was destroyed while in the prosecution's possession? There isn't enough information yet on this new revelation to punish Kane for it.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
The women's lawyer has never settled for money in 30 years practicing law.
Kane be sweating now.
Can you link me to an article with this? I'd like to post this on Facebook.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I honestly dunno how rape kits work, but don't they have to analyze anything they find? (e.g. could samples be matched with Kane) Are they able to do that immediately? I kinda doubt it.
Rape kits are DNA swabs from the victim's body. Along with evidence of damage to the victim as well. Lab results for DNA are not instant and if it's tampered with all of the samples on it are not usuable in court.
Presumably the rape kit was first used... soon after the alleged rape occurred. Which was ~7 weeks ago.I honestly dunno how rape kits work, but don't they have to analyze anything they find? (e.g. could samples be matched with Kane) Are they able to do that immediately? I kinda doubt it.
Presumably the rape kit was first used... soon after the alleged rape occurred. Which was ~7 weeks ago.
Of course, I just wasn't sure when they found out about it, could have been a long time ago and they are just saying it now. Could be wrong though.
E: nvm it was Tuesday afternoon.
Of course, I just wasn't sure when they found out about it, could have been a long time ago and they are just saying it now. Could be wrong though.
Seems like the most plausible speculation is:
- Bag is opened, contents tampered with, bag thrown out and replaced with a new bag sealing then tampered evidence.
This is the only thing that makes sense, otherwise the bag wouldn't have been so obviously ripped, whoever did it likely never intended for it to be seen again, and a whistleblower recovered it and did this to make it known that there was tampering.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Seems like the most plausible speculation is:
- Bag is opened, contents tampered with, bag thrown out and replaced with a new bag sealing then tampered evidence.
This is the only thing that makes sense, otherwise the bag wouldn't have been so obviously ripped, whoever did it likely never intended for it to be seen again, and a whistleblower recovered it and did this to make it known that there was tampering.
What kind of idiot would go through all of that successfully and then forget to rip off the ID tag with nurse's signature?
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out another incredibly strange wrinkle.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Of course, I just wasn't sure when they found out about it, could have been a long time ago and they are just saying it now. Could be wrong though.
E: nvm it was Tuesday afternoon.
If I'm not mistaken they're talking about it now because of the rumors of the kit coming back negative, which we now know is false.
To clarify your point, if the evidence was stolen on Day 43 that does not necessarily mean Days 1-42 are compromised. Which is how people are reacting. This is why an investigation needs to take place.The point is, if someone can take the evidence, remove it from police custody and put it in front of their house, we have no idea what else could have possibly happened to the evidence all throughout the investigation. All we know is that the integrity is compromised.
Was it completely untouched and legit? Possible.
Was it altered by the family lawyer? Possible.
Was it altered by whoever took it? Possible.
Was it altered before being tested? Possible.
This shows there is a problem/leak in the police department, which means we have no idea of knowing whether the evidence is real or not. THAT is the clusterfuck.
For all we know, the evidence could be altered pro-Kane OR pro-woman, we dont know. All we know is that something is fishy.
What a left turn. I'm just now catching up, but how in the world does this make sense for anyone involved?
it doesn't.
Can you link me to an article with this? I'd like to post this on Facebook.
When asked if his client was interested in a settlement, Eoannou said no.
I am a criminal attorney. I have never settled a monetary claim in my life. Im the last lawyer in town you would go to in a civil case.
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-reg...pered-with-in-patrick-kane-rape-case-20150923
Apparently hes running to be a judge after this is all done.
To clarify your point, if the evidence was stolen on Day 43 that does not necessarily mean Days 1-42 are compromised. Which is how people are reacting. This is why an investigation needs to take place.
Yes, exactly. Point is, we dont know what happenes, if anything happened, or when, all we know is something is fishy.
Which is why I refuse to speculate, there's just too many possibilities of what could have happened.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Yes, exactly. Point is, we dont know what happenes, if anything happened, or when, all we know is something is fishy.
Which is why I refuse to speculate, there's just too many possibilities of what could have happened.
In the meantime, we may want to get on the floor to avoid smoke inhalation.
Yes, exactly. Point is, we dont know what happenes, if anything happened, or when, all we know is something is fishy.
Which is why I refuse to speculate, there's just too many possibilities of what could have happened.
It's the best way to look at it, honestly. Much better than just standing on a soapbox and screaming "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY". Hell, with the long-standing history of what prominent professional athletes(hell, even amateur athletes) get away with, I don't know what to say for someone who jumps on a podium and gets righteously indignant about the rights of a professional athlete.
It's the best way to look at it, honestly. Much better than just standing on a soapbox and screaming "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY". Hell, with the long-standing history of what prominent professional athletes(hell, even amateur athletes) get away with, I don't know what to say for someone who jumps on a podium and gets righteously indignant about the rights of a professional athlete.
Or vice versa. People are overreacting all over about this.
Or vice versa. People are overreacting all over about this.
Of course but one is far more tone deaf than the other. Also, I certainly don't think it's an overreaction to expect the Blackhawks not to bring Kane to camp until the investigation is over. Particularly in the instance of a rape investigation. Particularly since we all know how many athletes get away with heinous shit.
Of course but one is far more tone deaf than the other. Also, I certainly don't think it's an overreaction to expect the Blackhawks not to bring Kane to camp until the investigation is over. Particularly in the instance of a rape investigation. Particularly since we all know how many athletes get away with heinous shit.
Nah, I think the extremes on both side have both been about the same.
Nah, I think the extremes on both side have both been about the same.
I'd ask you to elaborate on how you can even come to that conclusion, but honestly I'd rather not know. This place is my happy bubble.