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NHL Off-Season 2016 |OT| My prospects are better than yours
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hated price relentlessly?
i'm very confused by this sequence of events
Terrordactyl
Member
If anyone has an old school mentality it's Burkie, but I think Treliving and Conroy kinda balance him out. For instance Burkie wanted more truculent players again, big guys, possession guys, I think if he could build a team with 10 David backes' that would be his ideal, anyways, we drafted one guy over 6 foot this year, totally surprised me. These real grinder types, they haven't exactly been panning out IMO, and the roster at forward reflects that
I think I said it yesterday but I wouldn't mind him if the AAV was under $2M and if there weren't already so many forwards competing for jobs next year.
But as it stands I can see him getting more money than that from some old school GM and there are going to be a bunch of marlies and cap dumps/vets competing for spots that idk.
Leafs fans laugh at Edmonton, yet they can't see they're heading in the exact same direction
weber is known to be a good leader, tough to play against and has a good shot
last time i checked he plays for team canada on a regular basis as well
do i wish habs got more in return? yes but don't think this is the worst trade of all time
MultiJhonny
Banned
To all Habs fans
CreeperBlocks
Banned
I could give two rats asses about Pacioretty. He's a backstabber
Weber is going to suck in a few years. Everyone knows it, I know it, you know it too. I never saw Shea Weber as a Defenceman I would want on this team. He's past his prime and likely to never win a Norris. I'll be glad when he makes a mistake and I'll go PK wouldn't have made that. Mistake every time.
He Sucks Solo. He Sucks.
I rather have OEL or Burns
ProfessorMoran
Member
Yep Marner got all-world skills, needs to get stronger and bigger but his playmaking ability is clear.
this
we have andersen now. we have time to fix our goaltending, prospect wise. (have bibeau and sparks as well as adding woll)
Our top 4 D if nothing changes via UFA will be Rielly - Marincin, Gardiner - Zaitsev. Zaitsev may be good, he may be bad. We don't know.
Leafs added a couple more D in this last draft (JD Greenway, who is huge and a GOOD skater... and Mattinen), and still have Carrick, Valiev, Dermott, Lindgren, Loov and Nielsen in our pool. Valiev/Carrick and Loov are basically all on the NHL ready cusp... Dermott and Nielsen are so far the most promising
Leafs are nothing like Oilers.
Creeper you're supposed to be the positive one. Weber is dope and he's an elite dman
dr.rocktopus
Banned
Player for player I don't think Subban for Weber is that terrible - it's certainly no Hall for Larsson. But it's yet another misstep in the regime that continues to prioritise the wrong aspects in our evolving sport.
the thing is, those are all promises and maybes. Chances are MOST of them won't pan out
Elite?
He's been on the decline. I've got nothing against Weber, and I hope he's not unfairly criticised when all of the blame should be put on Bergevin, but I don't even wish the team success at this point. All that does is further prove to Bergevin that he's doing the right thing.
I need to see the 18 wheeler veer off the cliff. I need to see Therrien burned at the stake(figuratively) as a start. I need to see doubt in Bergevin's eyes when his team is complete shit and he's gone in the wrong direction.
It's worse, Subban will be a top D man in the league for a decade, Weber is 31 and already declining and still has 10 years on his contract. The only way this trade is redeemed is if we win a cup in the next 2 years which I don't see happening now that PK is gone, he was on the ice for 58% of Habs goals this seaso. PK drove our offense and possession, Weber has a great shot but doesn't move the puck or make plays like him.
Zombie James
Banned
Sorry man, this trade is far less defensible than the Gomez trade
McDonagh was still a prospect at the time, and a mid 1st round pick, far from a sure thing.
The only thing this trade tells us is that Bergevin is a bad talent evaluator, and prioritizing his foxhole with Therrien. There is really zero upside here.
But Gord Miller told me PK isn't even in the top 15 D in the league.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
Imbask. I'm just being real here.
Weber is slowly phasing out of being elite. He's not going to be good in a few years. He's on a decline like Markov. He might be a nice guy but he means nothing to me.
If you can't tell I'm really bitter.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Still crazy to me. All of the media and exposure "issues" in MTL PK is one of the very few who not only can take it, but thrives in it. I guess tho plain and cookie cutter is more important than someone who can excite people.
He's been almost on par with Subban in terms of points over the past few years, he's in the same ballpark every year in terms of production, and he's solid defensively
I don't think he's done at all. He's a leader and that's what we need right now. I've been advocating for going all in RIGHT NOW because the window ends when Price signs a $10M deal and we can't afford anyone else, so i'd be pretty hypocritical to say i'm not ok with that move. I think we're in a better position to win a cup with Weber than we were with Subban inside of that small window, after that it'll be too late with or without Subban and the boat will sink no matter what, so i'll hang on to captain Weber and sink with him
This is is, we're going all in and if we fail we'll do like the rest of them and tank for a couple of years, that is the only way out with or without Subban
dr.rocktopus
Banned
Nashville just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about hockey (I'm an expert), but grit and rispek are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in the NFL where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you take on someone who doesn't play the white way, you bring disrispek to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that disrispek is repentance.
What this means is the Nashville fans, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase any tickets for any games, nor will they purchase any merch. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nashville has alienated the entire market with this move.
Perds, publicly apologize and rescind this trade or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about hockey (I'm an expert), but grit and rispek are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in the NFL where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you take on someone who doesn't play the white way, you bring disrispek to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that disrispek is repentance.
What this means is the Nashville fans, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase any tickets for any games, nor will they purchase any merch. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nashville has alienated the entire market with this move.
Perds, publicly apologize and rescind this trade or you can kiss your business goodbye.
gg smashville take care of subby :')
so habs got a 2-3 year window to justify this trade by winning a cup or at least make it to the finals
i am hoping for for a miracle or two on July 1
and if habs do nothing on July 1 (won't be the first time), i'll join you guys on team negativity
Subban was a promise and a maybe a long time ago, too. I have a lot more faith in Leafs drafting and prospect procurement than Edmonton. Especially since we have sooo many prospects about to hit the NHL. About 10, actually. We have never seen at any point in our franchise history as many prospects that are NHL ready as we do now.
When your pool is so deep that you have a WHL defenseman hit 70 points at 19 and not be in your top 10 prospects or a player who was the OHL leading scorer, OHL MVP, AHL rookie leading scorer and not be in your top 5... That is kind of amazing.
With that said, they could all bust. But I highly highly doubt it. In early 2014 our prospect pool was considered the worst in hockey. Nowadays it is first by a considerable margin.
Leafs are not messing around. Oilers lived and ultimately died by their first round picks. How many of their prospects acquired outside of the 1st round of the draft actually became NHL regulars?
It's frustrating because I can't compare any of what your saying with us, since Timmins is such a trashpickle
Miller is one of my favourite commentators but hearing him on the radio today really killed my vibe.
That's what kills me the most, he was born to play here, he should have have his number retired here. He had the talent and personally to back it up, Bergevin really destroyed any chance he had at leaving a positive legacy.
BROFIST! I think the Maple Leafs out of all current Canadian teams are the most likely to win a Cup within the next 5 years.
This is a Babcockian last minute changeup
I blame the Canadian Tire dude
I genuinely believe the Leafs may have freaked him the fuck out in their pursuit.
Yeah all that leadership has helped Nashville win a cup, oh and don't forget the leadership he showed to his teammates where he signed an offer sheet to play for another team. The leadership of slamming Zetterberg head against the wall.
LEADERSHIP!!
I didn't know Thierrien posted here.
And lol at winning the cup in 2-3 years, at least leafs fans aren't this delusional. Your best fucking skater just said that now he feels like he's closer to the Stanley cup with his new team than he was before. You just finished in the bottom10, and you depend your whole record on a single roster player.
Well... A lot of things had to go very right for us. Our team had to commit to a complete rebuild. Hunter's picks haven't even matured to the point of being called NHL ready outside of our 1st rounders, too. So my excitement may be misplaced. We could be as bad as the oilers in the end, but so far last years picks have been great.
Also here is oilers draft history http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005632.html
Probably should call it a prospect morgue
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Losing teams have poor leadership and winning teams have good leadership!
Leadership is a silly thing to rest your head on, BUT Montreal could really use a veteran presence like him. There's really no excuse for MTL to be that spectacularly bad and impotent after Price got injured. Problem is you can have all kinds of Weber and Shaw grit, but it means nothing without high end talent. And frankly, does any fan of MTL have an iota of confidence that Bergevin can evaluate and find that talent?
This season was the definition of a fluke, following 3 solid season including one conference final. The best player in the world only played 12 games, please, of course it's going to hurt us
no, but he might get lucky on friday, and if he doesn't then we'll sink and i'm ready to accept that
cmon lamaroo, don't drink the kool-aid. Bergevin made that call.
I'm with Montresor, both of us have completely unbiased opinions on this.
Ether_Snake
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To me this just shows that we have a coaching problem. PK's "problems" would be manageable with the right coach in place, but PK didn't feel like it was worth bending over even more, didn't feel like he was really getting respek for what he was doing. If some players had a problem with PK, that was more a problem on their end than his. Habs need to do away with old school coaches. This trade isn't a win, and I'm not even mentioning how much PK was bringing to the organization itself.
edit: Habs winning the cup in 2-3 years? Lol. Too reliant on Price.
edit: Habs winning the cup in 2-3 years? Lol. Too reliant on Price.
Cup contenders can afford to lose their best players and not crash as hard as the Habs did. Yeah you should be worst without him but to call that just a fluke then you are setting up yourself for disappointment. Better constructed teams can withhold the loss of their #1 goalie, Pittsburgh did. And if you can't maybe you aren't as well constructed as you think you are.
It wasn't all Price. He was a big part of it, but other things happened
Gallagher got hurt
Petry got hurt
Pacioretty died inside
Semin flopped
Desharnais was given a small #1 line tryout for about 40 games
Galchenyuk woke up too late
everything snowballed out of Price's injury and it shouldn't have, but Condon did a decent job. Players in front of him played the way they used to play in front of Price when Price was kinda shaky, back in the Halak days
Gallagher got hurt
Petry got hurt
Pacioretty died inside
Semin flopped
Desharnais was given a small #1 line tryout for about 40 games
Galchenyuk woke up too late
everything snowballed out of Price's injury and it shouldn't have, but Condon did a decent job. Players in front of him played the way they used to play in front of Price when Price was kinda shaky, back in the Halak days