NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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Sent out? I thought they were just going berserk or something
They were at the village. Seemed like the leagues of machines getting flown in at the factory were regular ones though? I only played through that once so maybe I just didn't see that they were all mental. A zombie tank and Engels would have been cool to see.
darkwing-buck
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The EoE comparisons are more literal than you may realize:
(scrapped ending to EoE)
9S really gives me Shinji vibes at the end of it. Although he's a more efficient killer then Shinji.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Shinji did manage to genocide the human race before he called takebacksies, albeit with a lot of help.
It makes me giggle a bit to think that in my demo impressions post, I said I wanted Spike Spencer to play 9S. Little did I know lol
Via Purifico
Banned
Fair enough.
darkwing-buck
Member
All were missing is 2B running with toast.
All were missing is 2B running with toast.
We now need Toast DLC attachment.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
I don't know if I want to see Yoko Taro's take on anime girl running with toast in her mouth, given his track record with eating in his games.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
tbh if taro did a straight up nier remaster and didnt MGS2 it and at the end of route A it goes "HAHA IT IS DIFFERENT GAME NOW" I would be disappointed
Everything after route A is fishing with Yonah
CorgiSmiles
Banned
What folks have said, but also any of the village sidequests, especially the kids slide... If you let yourself get vested in the village, the payoff load is just that much more devastating. Of course along with 60 and 210's quests as well.
The whole point of that scene is that we destroyed them after making them conflict with themselves. Which is why A2 is surprised that Ko-shi is on the rampage still afterwards with no network to govern them.
Brian_FETO
Banned
So is B-Mode basically useless?
Like the only time I ever bothered with it was that first bullshit bossfight in the desert and it didn't help at all
Like the only time I ever bothered with it was that first bullshit bossfight in the desert and it didn't help at all
Just use chips that help offset your HP lowering, and it becomes amazing.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Nice, figured there was something to it but never really felt the need to use it
Followup question, what weapons did she have when you first see her/briefly play as her to save 2B? Sword looked real cool (I think I might have it now but not totally sure)
Was hoping you'd get different gear for her but I get it
Either way I need to finish collecting weapons (dreading the engine sword from that fucking factory section. hate the factory, makes me nauseous playing it lol)
Followup question, what weapons did she have when you first see her/briefly play as her to save 2B? Sword looked real cool (I think I might have it now but not totally sure)
Was hoping you'd get different gear for her but I get it
Either way I need to finish collecting weapons (dreading the engine sword from that fucking factory section. hate the factory, makes me nauseous playing it lol)
I thought engine blade was from the amnesia quest.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Google tells me it's in the Factory Escape
I did Amnesia earlier and I think I got a weapon from it but it was something else
Engine Blade is in the factory. Amnesia sidequest gives you the Wire pod program.
Whow, wow. Just got Ending E.
After Endings C and D i really didn't expect Yoko Taro to pull off that "Extremely happy ending" he was talking about back in June, but this really is as close to that as I think Yoko Taro can get.
So hopeful and inspiring while using the game itself through its mechanics to elevate your sense of worth in the world and your place along with the place of others.
That was a good end. wow.
After Endings C and D i really didn't expect Yoko Taro to pull off that "Extremely happy ending" he was talking about back in June, but this really is as close to that as I think Yoko Taro can get.
So hopeful and inspiring while using the game itself through its mechanics to elevate your sense of worth in the world and your place along with the place of others.
That was a good end. wow.
It's has less scorn for its audience and less false symbolism so it's better actuallySo you guy are telling me that Automata is the Evangelion of video games? I can dig it
I must admit that during the final ending, I did neglect the "offer" several times, not knowing what it was but still wanting to force my way through the final challenge on my own. Then after several tries, thinking I was awful at it, I finally accepted the offer and saw what it meant.
Those feelings I felt at that moment, it is truly difficult to describe how overwhelmed I felt.
I know that there is a secret boss fight in the game I wanna do, once that is done, I am sacrificing my save file. Don't need the other endings.
Those feelings I felt at that moment, it is truly difficult to describe how overwhelmed I felt.
I know that there is a secret boss fight in the game I wanna do, once that is done, I am sacrificing my save file. Don't need the other endings.
ShadowSoldier89
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when you go get the engine blade, do it in route C as 9S. there is a hack chest in the same room. Also the stampers are off during route C, so you cant accidentally get crushed
Only the first wave is off, the other one is malfunction and behaves very erratic
ShadowSoldier89
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I guess I didnt bother going that far, on the way to the engine blade room you dont ahve to worry. I turned around after that as it was my only goal for the moment.
Dreams-Visions
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You know now that I really finished the story (I think?) and have had time to reflect, man...what a lovingly told story. I don't really know how else to say it, but you can really tell when a team loved their project. You can tell when heart and soul are put into it. You see it in the little things. The small touches that make everything come together and feel a little magical. And man, what a tragic story with just a sliver of hope. Even that sliver is weighted down by the fact that humanity is extinct in its entirety.
I found very early on (reaching the amusement park, almost immediately) that every swing of my sword levied against the machines felt bad. And after awhile, I found myself more frequently running past robots unless I was in need of materials or had no other choice in the defense of others or to progress the story. And in certain places (like said amusement park), I'd put the other android in Passive or Balanced mode so (s)he wouldn't attack if I wasn't (and I wasn't). Game did such a good job of conveying the weight of decisions and indecisions, of atmospheres and character development. I felt dem feels for Pascal. I felt dem feels for 9S. I felt dem feels for a lot of characters and all for different reasons.
I think I actually only beat about 3 games a year despite buying quite a few. I just don't give them much of a chance because of my general alignment towards MP-focused games. I'm very glad I took a random chance on this game, one that I only heard of because of GAF. Beautiful game made with a passion I rarely see. Here's hoping we see more from this franchise.
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I'm pretty sure I did at least 50 attempts, actually. Enough that the game crashed on my PC 3 separate times, the only times the game crashed in 50 hours of play.
I was *convinced* that I was supposed to do it alone. I kept seeing improved progress on occassion which would bolster my resolve, though I was't sure how many more waves I would have to clear to be *done*.
When I finally broke down and accepted help, it immediately became clear that was what I was *supposed* to do. And it was indeed the option most in the spirit of the game. That nothing was really that happened that was good in this game was done alone. In fact, the characters when left alone (9S solo time, A2 solo time before she got the POD) was best described as "tragic". Losing themselves, killing everything indiscriminately. Just unchecked hate. Only when those characters had someone to support them and reciprocate did the game's characters find balance. So why would I have expected to have to save our heroes alone either? Yea, I was dumb.
Actually, I think it was the network messages encouraging me to not give up and that infectious music pushing me to keep trying. Well anyway, I figured it out. And I'm kinda happy I kept playing it because that amazing closing song had enough replay plays to seep into my soul.
Speaking of, that song is probably my favorite video game song since the Mirror's Edge theme some years ago.
I found very early on (reaching the amusement park, almost immediately) that every swing of my sword levied against the machines felt bad. And after awhile, I found myself more frequently running past robots unless I was in need of materials or had no other choice in the defense of others or to progress the story. And in certain places (like said amusement park), I'd put the other android in Passive or Balanced mode so (s)he wouldn't attack if I wasn't (and I wasn't). Game did such a good job of conveying the weight of decisions and indecisions, of atmospheres and character development. I felt dem feels for Pascal. I felt dem feels for 9S. I felt dem feels for a lot of characters and all for different reasons.
I think I actually only beat about 3 games a year despite buying quite a few. I just don't give them much of a chance because of my general alignment towards MP-focused games. I'm very glad I took a random chance on this game, one that I only heard of because of GAF. Beautiful game made with a passion I rarely see. Here's hoping we see more from this franchise.
+1
I'm pretty sure I did at least 50 attempts, actually. Enough that the game crashed on my PC 3 separate times, the only times the game crashed in 50 hours of play.
I was *convinced* that I was supposed to do it alone. I kept seeing improved progress on occassion which would bolster my resolve, though I was't sure how many more waves I would have to clear to be *done*.
When I finally broke down and accepted help, it immediately became clear that was what I was *supposed* to do. And it was indeed the option most in the spirit of the game. That nothing was really that happened that was good in this game was done alone. In fact, the characters when left alone (9S solo time, A2 solo time before she got the POD) was best described as "tragic". Losing themselves, killing everything indiscriminately. Just unchecked hate. Only when those characters had someone to support them and reciprocate did the game's characters find balance. So why would I have expected to have to save our heroes alone either? Yea, I was dumb.
Actually, I think it was the network messages encouraging me to not give up and that infectious music pushing me to keep trying. Well anyway, I figured it out. And I'm kinda happy I kept playing it because that amazing closing song had enough replay plays to seep into my soul.
Speaking of, that song is probably my favorite video game song since the Mirror's Edge theme some years ago.
Does anyone else get creeped out by Emil' song when it speeds up to ridiculous levels? Even if I know he's not malicious, it still brings chills down my spine - feels like the suicide bots screaming while making a bee line for you.
I'm totally okay with a spin off starring Emil and the Mememobile. Maybe that should be the mobile game that Automata was originally planned to be
I'm totally okay with a spin off starring Emil and the Mememobile. Maybe that should be the mobile game that Automata was originally planned to be
The kamikaze bots were extremely unsettling with their screams. When the trailers first hit, I really though Devola and Popola were going to be antagonists again - they probably had the most tragic story of all in the end.
I cannot wait for the piano collections for this game. There is a ton of prime material.
I cannot wait for the piano collections for this game. There is a ton of prime material.
Maybe this is terrible of me, but I laughed at them the first time I encountered them. Reminded me of the enemies from Serious Sam.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Same.
And I'll be doing it with a hearty smile.
YES. They scared the shit out of me when I first saw them (I got instagibbed at an early level walking back into that boss pit looking for a mission objective) and they make me nervous whenever I hear them.
In fact, that pit was the place that I accidentally overleveled myself farming weapon upgrade mats. Even an hour in that pit, I never got comfortable hearing them coming. I would immediately start looking around for them.
hans_castorp
Member
I don't really see E as a happy ending.
2B is still programmed to keep killing 9S, who has gone full Caim. The eternal war continues, now even more meaningless that there is no Bunker nor machine network. And the logic virus is still around.
And even robo-Manah and the network get denied the chance to find another home far in the space.
Edit: oh and Pascal is either dead or amnesic, selling parts of the children he used to take care of.
2B is still programmed to keep killing 9S, who has gone full Caim. The eternal war continues, now even more meaningless that there is no Bunker nor machine network. And the logic virus is still around.
And even robo-Manah and the network get denied the chance to find another home far in the space.
Edit: oh and Pascal is either dead or amnesic, selling parts of the children he used to take care of.
I don't see it as being programmed to kill 9S, more to follow Commander who is dead and she hates to keep following those orders anyway.
I can imagine how Pods activate them but disable their motor functions so they can talk about everything without killing each other again
ShadowSoldier89
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As far as I'm concerned, ending E is purely a happy ending. After all the tragedy its a sign of a new beginning and a new chance for the androids and machines. Humanity is completely irrelevant to this world now. Their extinction relinquished everything.
I actually really dislike android's in most stories. (By extension AI as well). Multiple games I knock down a peg for using the "android becoming human" story, or the "They were an android/AI the whole time". I really don't like Aigis's story in persona 3, and another very specific game I cant even mention the name without spoiling it. However Nier Automata flipped that on its head. By making the story only about androids and machines there was no trying to convince me that they are as relevant as the humans. They are all thats relevant. The humans being dead makes it even more relevant.
I love the dichotomy of the Androids who are created and designed in such a way that they are so close to human as it is. They can love, hate, taste, smell, feel regret, anger, sadness, and are incredibly prone to being fools. Compared to the machines who much more recently have decided they want to be like humans. I think the greatest think about it is the main trait the machines successfully took from humanity is foolishness. Coupled with stubbornness, fear, worry, and all these more negative aspects of the human condition. It makes sense too, as these emotions and actions are the ones that often override our more positive emotions and thoughts.
The worst parts are all over. Devola and Popola's tragedy, the tragedy of YoRHa, and Pascal's tragedy are concluded. 2B was forced to kill 9S as it was her orders. Her choice was to kill 9S, or run away and be hunted by YoRHa as someone else killed 9S anyway. With YoRHa gone she no longer needs to kill 9S. With their feelings towards eachother they will work it out together, and if we assume ending C flows into ending E, we can generally conclude that 9S and A2 will be fine together as well.
extra edit: 9S I dont think is that far gone if we go with Ending C into ending E either. A2 saved him not only literally, but from himself as well.
Mr. Smiley
Member
That chip where you hear the screams of the machine you just hacked is, well...
why would do that
why would do that
Give Arioch her own cooking spin-off. Cooking Mama X Drakengard.
It would be glorious.
That was my initial comparison as well, and it hasn't really left. On Hard, they are dangerous as fuck if they get close, but the Serious Sam amusement never really faded all that much.
Well, the 2B / 9S situation might improve as the very loss of the organizations they served might make 2B realize that she need not follow her orders, as the Pods clearly were able to go against their intended purpose, so there is no reason why she couldn't reason her way of it. 9S will likely calm down as well, as the focal point of his madness, losing 2B, is undone.
The forever war is indeed likely to continue, as the Emil Heads weapons story makes it clear that the Machine Network will rebuild/revive itself in about 500 years or something like that and it will likely mark the beginning of the 15th Machine War and we never got to know about the very top of the Androids and how much resources and production capabilities etc they have. They must be pretty well stocked though, as the full loss of YoRHa was planned and accounted for. Though I guess no-one is prepared for the upcoming Wrath of Jackass.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I'mma let you finish, but the world is in a post-apocolyptic state, humanity is dead, cities are in ruins, all of their commrades in arms are dead, they just found out their lives have been a lie, the androids are few in number, robots are still clearly unstable.
It's certainly not "purely" a happy ending at all. It's very happy for our protagonists, but the world is shit, the world they inherit is shit, and whether they area able to eek out a life for themselves that doesn't end in someone getting killed along the way is a matter of hope when looking at the long view. The prospects of peace seem low, suggesting a future where they will continue to have to fight to some degree.
I'm very damn happy our heroes survived and they'll have each other to get through whatever comes next (which is the best we can hope for). But it was the proverbial flower growing out of a pile of manure. lol.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I did mention all of the other tragedies. Why E itself is happy is because it twists all of the expectations back around the rest of the game set and showed the bots developing sentience and turning it into care. When I say purely happy I mean that there is nothing in E itself that is negative or bitter sweet. The bots do mention that they may just be making a mistake and perpetuating the cycle, but even Pod 042 says that he doesn't believe that will be the case.
What the fuck, I just read that your 1st playthrough movements as 2B get replicated when you play as 9S. Like when you're running to 9S after the Adam fight. Or the Eve fight when your NFCS shuts down.
If true, that is insanely cool. I should try running around in circles as 2B then replaying as 9S
If true, that is insanely cool. I should try running around in circles as 2B then replaying as 9S
What the fuck, I just read that your 1st playthrough movements as 2B get replicated when you play as 9S. Like when you're running to 9S after the Adam fight. Or the Eve fight when your NFCS shuts down.
If true, that is insanely cool. I should try running around in circles as 2B then replaying as 9S
Is it really a thing? Haven't noticed myself but it explains "two lanes" in the alien mothership fight...
Dreams-Visions
Member
What the fuck, I just read that your 1st playthrough movements as 2B get replicated when you play as 9S. Like when you're running to 9S after the Adam fight. Or the Eve fight when your NFCS shuts down.
If true, that is insanely cool. I should try running around in circles as 2B then replaying as 9S
:O
I'm not sure. I don't think the fight gets copied, just the movements afterwards (to be fair that wouldn't be hard to do, fighting games have had replay systems for years).
Gai Murakumo
Member
At the beginning of the game the initial startup of settings with 9S guiding you is recorded as well. So when you are playing as 9S the recording shown is exactly how you did it before. So if you take a while messing with the settings as 2B it is reflected in that video for 9S. Crazy stuff huh.What the fuck, I just read that your 1st playthrough movements as 2B get replicated when you play as 9S. Like when you're running to 9S after the Adam fight. Or the Eve fight when your NFCS shuts down.
If true, that is insanely cool. I should try running around in circles as 2B then replaying as 9S