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Ninja Gaiden 3 |OT| Ninja Dog Revengeance
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GANGSTERKILLER
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3/10 from IGN. Holy shit!! Ninja Gaiden franchise is NOTHING without this man. I look forward to the Dead or Alive 5 reviews...
Dave1988
Member
Butbutbutbutbut DmC will have teh dramaz and a deep plot. Just what the series always needed. 9 out of 10 moneyhatz.
Have you played it? I have, it fucking sucks.
I am glad IGN finally found the low end scale.
Every Sigma game has been worse than the original IMHO, so i have no hopes.
Hayashi is clearly no Itagaki, it's pretty evident at this point.
Augemitbutter
Member
god hand quality confirmed? i'm fine with that.
i guess KT were late with the bribes this time.
i guess KT were late with the bribes this time.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
I do not really care about the IGN score but man a 3 :O
D
Deleted member 81567
Unconfirmed Member
IGN is trying to be a very strict, professional reviewer after the Mass Effect suspicions.
But that would mean that they would have to do something that is not DOA.
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
What happened with Mass Effect?
Black Republican
Member
dat score
goddamn my man sam
goddamn my man sam
Criminal Upper
Banned
Wow, a score like that from IGN, and 9s-8s from everywhere else so far.
FUCKING HYPE.
I'm not sure if I know exactly what this is about, but I assume it has to do with the fact that IGN gave Mass Effect a 9.5/10 despite it's many problems and disappointments...BUT it had IGN's own butter-face, Jessica Chobot starring in an epic cameo.
FUCKING HYPE.
I'm not sure if I know exactly what this is about, but I assume it has to do with the fact that IGN gave Mass Effect a 9.5/10 despite it's many problems and disappointments...BUT it had IGN's own butter-face, Jessica Chobot starring in an epic cameo.
Criminal Upper
Banned
When it happens to match-up with their already pre-conceived notions about this particular game? You bet!
NoirVisage
Banned
"Charles Xavier you motherfucker.."
statements like this validate the existence of gaming streams.
statements like this validate the existence of gaming streams.
R_thanatos
Member
i just don't understand Why ign should be right with a 3/10 when they have been wrong with numerous 9 during the last 2 years ..
TUROK
Member
There's a difference between trusting something and taking something into consideration due to a lack of other reviews.
Looks like this game is being hammered for similar reasons that DmC is likely to be - shallow, repetitive combat, scripted scenes, and a ridiculous attempt at creating something deep and meaningful with a character who exists just to kill monsters in a slick fashion.
I imagine the storytelling with Ninja Theory's game will be better-received, though. Team Ninja couldn't do story with or without Itagaki, though they never tried much either. Then again, when you decide story and setting are more important than going for 60 FPS in a 3D action game like DMC, you've got your priorities all mixed up.
It's also not just the IGN review for NG3; that Swedish Gamereactor review which gave it 7/10 paints a similar picture. They call it far more forgiving and far more prone to progression via simple button-mashing.
Here's Gamereactor summarizing things:
It's Google translated but easy enough to understand what he's saying. He does go on to praise it some for its similarities to Ninja Blade, a game he liked, but a game most people (including the reviewer) would agree isn't really Ninja Gaiden.
I imagine the storytelling with Ninja Theory's game will be better-received, though. Team Ninja couldn't do story with or without Itagaki, though they never tried much either. Then again, when you decide story and setting are more important than going for 60 FPS in a 3D action game like DMC, you've got your priorities all mixed up.
It's also not just the IGN review for NG3; that Swedish Gamereactor review which gave it 7/10 paints a similar picture. They call it far more forgiving and far more prone to progression via simple button-mashing.
Here's Gamereactor summarizing things:
It's Google translated but easy enough to understand what he's saying. He does go on to praise it some for its similarities to Ninja Blade, a game he liked, but a game most people (including the reviewer) would agree isn't really Ninja Gaiden.
Stripper13
Member
You know, I'm certain there are a whole host of reasons the game was changed and chopped up as much as it was - so I don't imagine Hayashi is solely to blame... but fuck, what the fuck were they thinking when they created this game?
I've got the CE on pre-order, and I'm looking forward to playing it through on Hard because I desperately need a 3rd person action game to play, but all of the reviews and impressions have me down on the developers. Even the good reviews explicitly state that it's an inferior version of its predecessors.
How on earth did Hayashi & co. sit in a room together and decide the following:
1. Remove de-limb/de-caps
2. Add button mashing and QTE's
3. Kunai Climbing
4. Remove EVERY weapon bar Sword
5. Remove currency and upgrade system
6. Remove inventory/potions
7. Dumb down Ninpo
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on a few things I've seen - namely, the Stealth, some of the bosses I've seen, the enemies begging for mercy, multiplayer modes, the 'slide', changes to flying swallow etc. These are minor enough to have been removed/altered and still have a game that plays and feels at least as good as NG1 or NG2. But the list I created above are all decisions that I feel are a fucking joke. At absolutely no point should any of those things have been brought to the table, and if they were, there should have been significant community back and forth or at the very least, some options/toggles to have the game play more like the predecessors.
I thought the Sigma games were both poor imitations on the superior originals, but ultimately worth playing. I felt that Hayashi & Co may have been limited by budget and scope when creating the Sigma games - and I figured with a full production team behind NG3, it was Hayashi's opportunity to prove himself. I have zero faith that Hayashi is at all competent at creating a game that fans want. I understand his team may have felt the need to make Ninja Gaiden 'their own' and make some changes - but I really don't understand how they thought their take on NG is supposed to appease fans or attract new comers... when it's plain and simple, not as good or engaging.
I've got the CE on pre-order, and I'm looking forward to playing it through on Hard because I desperately need a 3rd person action game to play, but all of the reviews and impressions have me down on the developers. Even the good reviews explicitly state that it's an inferior version of its predecessors.
How on earth did Hayashi & co. sit in a room together and decide the following:
1. Remove de-limb/de-caps
2. Add button mashing and QTE's
3. Kunai Climbing
4. Remove EVERY weapon bar Sword
5. Remove currency and upgrade system
6. Remove inventory/potions
7. Dumb down Ninpo
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on a few things I've seen - namely, the Stealth, some of the bosses I've seen, the enemies begging for mercy, multiplayer modes, the 'slide', changes to flying swallow etc. These are minor enough to have been removed/altered and still have a game that plays and feels at least as good as NG1 or NG2. But the list I created above are all decisions that I feel are a fucking joke. At absolutely no point should any of those things have been brought to the table, and if they were, there should have been significant community back and forth or at the very least, some options/toggles to have the game play more like the predecessors.
I thought the Sigma games were both poor imitations on the superior originals, but ultimately worth playing. I felt that Hayashi & Co may have been limited by budget and scope when creating the Sigma games - and I figured with a full production team behind NG3, it was Hayashi's opportunity to prove himself. I have zero faith that Hayashi is at all competent at creating a game that fans want. I understand his team may have felt the need to make Ninja Gaiden 'their own' and make some changes - but I really don't understand how they thought their take on NG is supposed to appease fans or attract new comers... when it's plain and simple, not as good or engaging.
.la1n
Member
I Consider myself a pretty avid action game fan. Played through DMC 1-4, Ninja Gaiden, Black, Bayonetta, and both Sigma games. I am currently playing through NG 3. I am having fun, the game is fun. If you like fun then I wager that you may also enjoy this game. Since when does GAF take anything an IGN review says seriously anyway?
1. who cares, doesn't impact gameplay
2. can be turned off in options
3. not nearly as annoying as you may think
4. I only ever used the sword in every NG game so YMMV
5. currency and upgrade system was more of a pain than it was worth, just give me the goods as I go
6. good, the system in place was clumsy and horribly executed.
7. if anything it's one less QTE event to worry about
1. who cares, doesn't impact gameplay
2. can be turned off in options
3. not nearly as annoying as you may think
4. I only ever used the sword in every NG game so YMMV
5. currency and upgrade system was more of a pain than it was worth, just give me the goods as I go
6. good, the system in place was clumsy and horribly executed.
7. if anything it's one less QTE event to worry about
yankeehater
Member
I watched every NGB video that they uploaded. I got so many great tips from that site. It really sucks that it is gone.
I really hope that they let a new person be incharge for NG4. I think that Hayahi has had 3 chances now to really distinguish himself and it seems that he has been unable to.
yankeehater
Member
Yeah I dont see how anyone can say that taking away potions is a positive. I liked having that choice, it added an extra bit of strategy to the game.
Stripper13
Member
While I don't doubt you're having fun with it - just as I expect to have fun with it... the list I wrote is not so easily dismissed.
Fact is, de-limbing absolutely affects gameplay, if I need to explain why de-limbing and the consequences/strategy were so important in NG2 - you missed quite a bit of the game.
The QTE's cannot be 'turned off' - they simply remove the button prompts... the basic premise still remains - combined with the fact that reviews have mentioned the need to leave them on in some boss fights due to more complex button combination QTE's.
Kunai climbing is a joke for a super-ninja regardless of whether it is more or less annoying than I think it is.
While you may have only used the sword - the other weapons were integral to:
A) Playing harder difficulties
B) Increasing replayability
C) Variety of gameplay - if I'm killing 2000+ enemies in a playthrough, I want to at least be able to use something crazy every now and then.
Currency and upgrade system were anything but annoying and I think rewarding the player or making them decide where upgrades should go is a fairly integral part of the NG franchise at this point - removing it and making upgrades tied into the story is a joke.
While the inventory system may have been clunky, rationing potions and saving LoaTG's for high difficulty playthroughs were as much a part of the difficulty/strategy than the fighting was... again, removing them is a fairly drastic change to the way the NG franchise has been handled thus far. The same goes for Nin-po, which was a resource for invincibility frames and a tool you had to ration carefully... now it's a use it or lose it flashy attack.
I don't doubt there is a fun game to be played in NG3 - but Hayashi has handled it poorly and made some significant changes to the formula that are going to annoying fans.
MrCookiepants
Member
DmC is looking to be great game and is exactly what the series needed. NG3 is going in the wrong direction.
I played all NG games, and barely beat them on normal so I kinda suck, but I really enjoyed them and had lots of fun.
In the previous games I never felt like I was owning the enemies so all I'm hoping for is a fun and entertaining game. I don't mind if it makes me feel like a badass while in reality the game is just too easy.
I really feel for you hardcore guys though, this seems like the ultimate disapointment
Edit: the kunai climbing is ridiculous
In the previous games I never felt like I was owning the enemies so all I'm hoping for is a fun and entertaining game. I don't mind if it makes me feel like a badass while in reality the game is just too easy.
I really feel for you hardcore guys though, this seems like the ultimate disapointment
Edit: the kunai climbing is ridiculous
They're basically saying in the review that fans will hate it.
And I lol'd at them saying the franchise would die in obscurity if they didn't make it easier, when this game will likely do far worse than 2 did.
Augemitbutter
Member
you don't need potions if you balance the game properly. using and managing consumables is pretty annoying. just concentrate on the action and play well.
Phoenix Fang
Banned
Stripper13
Member
I have always been in favour of a broader range of difficulties for Ninja Gaiden. I have watched numerous friends flail with the controls, make it through each battle by the skin of their teeth on the lowest difficulties and ultimately give up on the games at the first notoriously difficult boss fight. So dumbing down some elements and making the game more accessible is something I absolutely think Hayashi should have been focused on. I just think that he made some drastic changes that do very little for accessibility. More importantly, the changes his team made should have been given toggle options so long-term fans could play the game more 'traditionally'. At this point it's just a bit of a mess by dumbing down significant elements, introducing some terrible QTE sequences and removing the weapon variety. Some changes make sense for making the game more enticing to newcomers/beginners, but only a few.
ThaneKrios
Banned
I'm sure Itagaki is laughing so hard right now.
Sevket-Erhat
Member
For sure
.la1n
Member
Wow did not realize we weren't allowed to post personal opinions here anymore, sorry.
Points taken. It seems you just have a different view of what makes Ninja Gaiden what it is to you. That is perfectly acceptable and I can relate as I feel the same towards other franchises. I still think if you play the hardest difficulty you might find more enjoyment than you may be expecting.
He should probably actually finish a game before he laughs at anything.