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Nintendo 3DS Japanese Launch Thread

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
Sure, as I said, it's a roundup of people complaining. It's something to be curious about after listening to the 8-4Play podcast IMO, but we'll see what more impressions bring in the meantime.

not sure if i posted it here, but i had a very negative reaction to the 3DS demo units - specifically with Ridge (which another person who also tried it with me a second time had the exact same reaction) :

But that's not even the start of the problem. My eyes were freaking out - my right eye started twitching once the race had begun (i switched to bumper cam) and no matter what i did i was seeing dual faint mirror images on anything white (mainly the lines on the track) , every now and then i'd move my head as turning and the 3D effect breaks down - very narrow "sweet spot" and then my eyes were again freaking out and trying to focus on god knows what. Coming down one of the last straights and cherry blossom gets kicked up and comes flying into your face - again, suddenly i'm not focused "right" :/

I've heard that this was probably to do with having the 3D effect turned up full and it's likely i wouldn't have had these problems had i toned down the slider a bit, so i may swing by Sofmap today again and try it. But the big thing was within 30 minutes i had went from feeling absolutely fine to have an absolute crushing headache - a little after that i started feeling sick. Might be that i've picked something up and i hope to god it's not related as i'd assume there will be something i want to play... we shall see i guess.

And today, i've not put -that- much time in yet, but my eyes were getting tired after playing a full "event" on ridge (which would be around 20 minutes or so) - however, i toned down the 3D effect to around 50%

I don't think this will affect everyone, but i think this maybe an issue that Nintendo have to comment on if the noise keeps up.

Nintendo has given the same warning for every system they put out...

not in the linked text, but the warnings this time are somewhat different right? Unless they previously explicitly warned against children under the age of 6 playing with previous machines?
 
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I like this picture.
 

Jinfash

needs 2 extra inches
Nuclear Muffin said:
The 3DS has higher resolution screens than the DS. In order for DS games to fill the screen, they need to stretch the games to the 3DS' resolution.

The aspect ratio and size are the same, but the games are still stretched from 256x192 to 320x240
Derp, I confused it with another handset. I thought the original DS runs at 320x240 and stretched horizontally to fill that 80 pixels.

So, basically it's the same aspect ratio but not in native resolution, a bit blurred due to scaling. Not as bad as i thought.
 

Amir0x

Banned
DCharlie said:
And today, i've not put -that- much time in yet, but my eyes were getting tired after playing a full "event" on ridge (which would be around 20 minutes or so) - however, i toned down the 3D effect to around 50%

I don't think this will affect everyone, but i think this maybe an issue that Nintendo have to comment on if the noise keeps up.

but real life is 3D and so is lenticular cards how is this possible they're the same thing!

I'm just so glad Nintendo put in that slider. Worthless feature that 3D, especially when you combine it with the performance upgrades some games have or the fact that if you didn't utilize 3D the games would look better across the board.
 

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
but real life is 3D and so is lenticular cards how is this possible they're the same thing!

lol, thankfully real life doesn't have a pesky narrow angle "sweet spot" for the effect to work ;)

If only real life had a slider... ;)
 

1-D_FTW

Member
DCharlie said:
not sure if i posted it here, but i had a very negative reaction to the 3DS demo units - specifically with Ridge (which another person who also tried it with me a second time had the exact same reaction) :



And today, i've not put -that- much time in yet, but my eyes were getting tired after playing a full "event" on ridge (which would be around 20 minutes or so) - however, i toned down the 3D effect to around 50%

I don't think this will affect everyone, but i think this maybe an issue that Nintendo have to comment on if the noise keeps up.



not in the linked text, but the warnings this time are somewhat different right? Unless they previously explicitly warned against children under the age of 6 playing with previous machines?

I think the slider exists to compensate for the different widths of people's eyes, etc. Everyone sees 3d differently. It's possible some people are making the mistake of thinking more is better and not calibrating for their unique physiology.

Plus, hopefully, it'll be like anything that's stressed the first time. Once your body gets acclimated, you start adjusting and issues eventually go away.
 
1-D_FTW said:
First thing I noticed (besides the color temp being way off on the DSI screenshots). Square pixels vs irregular and rectangular.

Like I said: most people. I noticed, you noticed, dcharlie noticed, a few other guys noticed. But some people said the 3DS version looked better. And this supposed to be a forum of video game enthusiasts! Most people probably do have lower standards for this stuff and simply won't care. Would it be better if they gave options for people who cared? yes. Is it going to affect sales or anything Nintendo cares about with the 3DS? not in the least.


plagiarize said:
i think the issue is the touch screen. if you're playing your DS game at different sizes, where you have to touch on the bottom screen would change. they'd have to let you calibrate it in multiple ways, and i can see it being a bit of a nightmare.

i'll be keeping one of my DSis for DS games, but when i'm travelling i'll play them on the 3DS most likely.

Even the iPad lets you change the size of iPhone apps running on it. Granted, two companies, two different classes of hardware, two different touch screen techs, and too many variables to care about. I just think that if they wanted to give options, they could have made it work. They probably didn't see the value in it and didn't. It's hard to expect a lot from Nintendo on this front.

for what it's worth, the ideal solution would be just to have a higher resolution that is the DS resolution multiplied evenly. For instance, the PSP2 resolution is exactly four times the resolution of the PSP1.
 

Amir0x

Banned
Linkzg said:
Like I said: most people. I noticed, you noticed, dcharlie noticed, a few other guys noticed. But some people said the 3DS version looked better. And this supposed to be a forum of video game enthusiasts! Most people probably do have lower standards for this stuff and simply won't care. Would it be better if they gave options for people who cared? yes. Is it going to affect sales or anything Nintendo cares about with the 3DS? not in the least.

To be clear, I think most people were saying the 3DS screen looked better PURELY on the color temperature grounds. I know I was. It clearly looks worse on other grounds - you'd have to be blind to think otherwise - but the color thing was so severe it was impossible to prefer the non-stretched version.
 

Teknoman

Member
Amir0x said:
but real life is 3D and so is lenticular cards how is this possible they're the same thing!

I'm just so glad Nintendo put in that slider. Worthless feature that 3D, especially when you combine it with the performance upgrades some games have or the fact that if you didn't utilize 3D the games would look better across the board.

I wouldnt say worthless, since im sure developers will make some nice features that really take advantage of the option (much like the touch screen/ dual display on when the original DS/ released). Honestly, i'm hoping it's just like the Mirror's Edge/ other FPS motion sickness effect, where its only a small minority that have issues.

Then again, there are people who get headaches from screen tearing, so what do I know :p
 
Amir0x said:
but real life is 3D and so is lenticular cards how is this possible they're the same thing!

I'm just so glad Nintendo put in that slider. Worthless feature that 3D, especially when you combine it with the performance upgrades some games have or the fact that if you didn't utilize 3D the games would look better across the board.
why would you bring this up again?

numerous people have said that they have NO issues looking from one screen to the other, and you were insistant about that.

of course 3D can be an eye strain, espescially at first as you get used to it... i don't think we were bringing up 'lenticular cards' to argue against that. we were arguing against your insistance that looking from the 3d screen to the 2d screen caused discomfort.

i've seen literally no one complaining of that in the impressions today. some have complained about it being uncomfortable to lose the 3d effect on the top screen and get it back, but no one has corroborated that looking from one screen to the other causes any kind of stress/strain or discomfort. many have implicitly said it *doesn't*.

lenticular cards can cause the same exact eye strain that the 3DS can. again i can't really understand how you think the 3DS works that you think its 3D is different in some way to the effect of lenticular.
 

Crayons

Banned
Are 3DS games WPA2 wifi compatible? You know, how the DS Wi-Fi would have a grey lock?

Thanks for anyone who could answer this question. I can almost never use DS Wi-FI :(
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Guys.

Amir0x hates 3D.

Let him and his hatred be.
 

rpmurphy

Member
Teknoman said:
I wouldnt say worthless, since im sure developers will make some nice features that really take advantage of the option (much like the touch screen/ dual display on when the original DS/ released). Honestly, i'm hoping it's just like the Mirror's Edge/ other FPS motion sickness effect, where its only a small minority that have issues.

Then again, there are people who get headaches from screen tearing, so what do I know :p
Motion blur as well. Definitely not all graphical features are compatible with everybody's physical tolerances or personal tastes.
 

jman2050

Member
plagiarize said:
why would you bring this up again?

numerous people have said that they have NO issues looking from one screen to the other, and you were insistant about that.

of course 3D can be an eye strain, espescially at first as you get used to it... i don't think we were bringing up 'lenticular cards' to argue against that. we were arguing against your insistance that looking from the 3d screen to the 2d screen caused discomfort.

i've seen literally no one complaining of that in the impressions today. some have complained about it being uncomfortable to lose the 3d effect on the top screen and get it back, but no one has corroborated that looking from one screen to the other causes any kind of stress/strain or discomfort. many have implicitly said it *doesn't*.

lenticular cards can cause the same exact eye strain that the 3DS can. again i can't really understand how you think the 3DS works that you think its 3D is different in some way to the effect of lenticular.

Amirox isn't going to change his opinion on 3D, he's just going to continue baiting people like you till the end of time so just be aware of that.
 

marc^o^

Nintendo's Pro Bono PR Firm
pickwick said:
They said that SF4 on 3DS is "the best fighting game ever released on a handheld console"


Edit : Wow. Winning eleven/PES 2011 has been reviewed too and... only 5/10....
Gamekult is even more severe than Edge in their scorings. They say they have mixed impressions with this PES. It's looking better and plays better than PSP titles, but lacks an online mode, and as they have a japanese unit, transferts are not accurate/up to date.
 
EatChildren said:
Guys.

Amir0x hates 3D.

Let him and his hatred be.
jman2050 said:
Amirox isn't going to change his opinion on 3D, he's just going to continue baiting people like you till the end of time so just be aware of that.

i don't mind him hating on 3D, but since it was me that brought up lenticular cards in the past when arguing with him i think it's important to point out WHY i brought them up, which was namely to shoot down his incorrect insistance that looking from the touch screen to the 3d screen (and back) required a period of adjustment for your eyes.

i know he was basing that on impressions of Your Garden that one of the blogs ran, but literally no one else has confirmed that. there is absolutely no physical reason for that to happen. adjusting if you lose the sweet spot? yes. absolutely, and doing that a lot will make your eyes do more work.

some people were saying the 3d couldn't cause eye strain, and on that i laugh at them too. trying to teach your eyes not to adjust iris size when you look at things close up and distant takes a while, and until you do, your eyes try and focus on things that they can't (cause they need to stay focussed at screen depth). that's what is different about 3d things like this (and like lenticular) from the real world, and that's where the eye strain comes from.

that he's still bringing up lenticular makes me think he still doesn't get it. whether or not he *likes* it isn't even an issue.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
plagiarize said:
i don't mind him hating on 3D, but since it was me that brought up lenticular cards in the past when arguing with him i think it's important to point out WHY i brought them up, which was namely to shoot down his incorrect insistance that looking from the touch screen to the 3d screen (and back) required a period of adjustment for your eyes.

i know he was basing that on impressions of Your Garden that one of the blogs ran, but literally no one else has confirmed that. there is absolutely no physical reason for that to happen. adjusting if you lose the sweet spot? yes. absolutely, and doing that a lot will make your eyes do more work.

I'm not sure what Amir0x's post had to do with strain caused by looking at different screens.

But you do realise that if you accept strain can be caused by losing and regaining focus on the 3D, then logically you must accept that strain can be caused by looking at the 2D screen and looking back again? Both are different contexts of the same effect - losing the 3D and refocusing on it.
 

gkryhewy

Member
plagiarize said:
he was basing that on impressions of Your Garden that one of the blogs ran, but literally no one else has confirmed that.

And the SF4 framerate bit from the gamespot preview... I dunno about you, but I cherry pick the single oddball impression that confirms by predispositions all the time. When in Rome!
 
Street Fighter looks incredible in that video.
I still wonder if I'll bother picking it up though. It just seems like I would only be playing online games if I'm at home and if I'm home- then I may as well play it on a console.

I mostly play portable games on the subway so online play is usually far from my mind.. bring on Pilotwings!
 

marc^o^

Nintendo's Pro Bono PR Firm
Ramenman said:
OH GOD THIS IS AMAZING keep them up please !



Gamekult actually likes something ? Holy shit, 3DS is really set to change the world as we know it ! D:
To be fair SF4 is their prefered all time game.
 

pickwick

Member
marc^o^ said:
Gamekult is even more severe than Edge in their scorings. They say they have mixed impressions with this PES. It's looking better and plays better than PSP titles, but lacks an online mode, and as they have a japanese unit, transferts are not accurate/up to date.

I can't wait for Ridge racer to be reviewed, now. This game is supposed to be my first 3DS game (along with PES, but... I'm not sure, now...)
 
plagiarize said:
i don't mind him hating on 3D, but since it was me that brought up lenticular cards in the past when arguing with him i think it's important to point out WHY i brought them up, which was namely to shoot down his incorrect insistance that looking from the touch screen to the 3d screen (and back) required a period of adjustment for your eyes.

I wouldn't go that far, your eyes do take a period of adjustment to flick between focusing on near and far distances even in the real world. Placing screen distance hud elements on the 3D screen, especially near the bottom might make this less of an issue.
Bringing up lenticular confuses the hell out of me too though.
 

Teknoman

Member
Can we get a Super Smash Bioshock 3DS pic (Action shot with Nintendo character VS that big daddy)?

Gonna have so much fun with that camera alone.

EDIT: I wish Pilotwings came out in Japan at launch.
 

mclem

Member
El Pescado said:
On all these cross-eye pictures I see the 3D "backwards" (The foreground objects have more depth than the background stuff). I hope once I get my hands on a 3DS I can see everything properly. :/

There's two ways of viewing image pairs like that; convergent eyes or divergent eyes. Convergent eyes are the 'cross-eyed' method, and that's the method used here; the right eye focusses on the left image and vice-versa; the focal point is in front of the actual images.

Divergent eyes are looking *through* the image, the focal point is behind the images. The right eye sees the right image, the left eye sees the left one, but the images are focussed in a position such that the eyes think they're both seeing the same image, hence seeing 3D. Magic Eye images (as in the *official* brand, as opposed to the various other forms of stereograms) use the divergent method.

If you view a pair using the 'wrong' format, you'll see what you're seeing, with the parts that should be distant actually looking close, and vice-versa. There's an easy solution to this: Swap the images.

Speaking personally, viewing cross-eyed does strain my eyes somewhat, whereas viewing divergently causes me no hassle at all; I far prefer the latter as a result. If possible, could we get future sample images as a set of three (with the left image duplicated on the right-hand side)? That way you can view them either way depending on which pair you actually look at.

How the 3DS works is completely independent of that - you will be focussing on the *screen*, no matter what. You should be able to view it fine.
 

gkryhewy

Member
pickwick said:
I can't wait for Ridge racer to be reviewed, now. This game is supposed to be my first 3DS game (along with PES, but... I'm not sure, now...)

Yes, come on, I need RR framerate details. Someone... Anyone...
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I'm going to cite this as a personal hangup, but I'm pretty disappointed the backgrounds are all busted in SSFIV (zero animation, world made of 3D characters but frozen in place).

Really gives it that ugly "launch game jank" vibe to me.

I'll bet if it wasn't rushed for day 1, there's even odds this problem would have been fixed.
 

Vic

Please help me with my bad english
Kaijima said:
I'm going to cite this as a personal hangup, but I'm pretty disappointed the backgrounds are all busted in SSFIV (zero animation, world made of 3D characters but frozen in place).

Really gives it that ugly "launch game jank" vibe to me.

I'll bet if it wasn't rushed for day 1, there's even odds this problem would have been fixed.
Hopefully it's not because the system doesn't have enough power to run the bg animations...
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Vic said:
Hopefully it's not because the system doesn't have enough power to run the bg animations...

This is why it is distressing. Odds are, it's a typical launch game rush job.

But it is still disheartening to see a port of a game that runs on five year old hardware, be unable to squeeze in /any/ form of background animation at all. Nothing. Bad press for 3DS hardware.

Since SF maintains 60fps in 3D mode, I am assuming that's partly to blame; DoA drops to 30fps and preserves its nice graphics.

I'm almost surprised they didn't put in an option to set your 3D framerate preference... 60fps with locked backgrounds, or 30fps (in 3D mode) with full animation.
 

Carlisle

Member
pickwick said:
Edit : Wow. Winning eleven/PES 2011 has been reviewed too and... only 5/10....
:/ I hope it's a fluke review. It would have been a day one purchase had it had online mp, but reading the impressions in this thread built the hype back up again. I've only played FIFA games before so I thought this would be a good place to give PES a shot since my Irish buddy keeps raving about the series.
 
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