Nintendo and the Switch 2 is reminding me of Microsoft and the Xbox One reveal

Gamer79

Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Microsoft was riding high on the success of the Xbox 360. Despite the notoriously unreliable hardware—I went through five of them—the gameplay experience and Xbox Live were excellent. During that era, Sony lagged behind in online capabilities, and Nintendo still acts like online gaming is stuck in the 90s. Even with the Red Ring of Death issues, the 360 was a dominant force and firmly established Microsoft as a major player in the console market.


The original Xbox laid the groundwork, but it was the 360 that truly let Microsoft show what it was capable of. They were winning on both hardware and software fronts, raking in revenue and building a loyal user base. Microsoft was on top—and they knew it.


And then the arrogance set in.

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This smug Son of a Bitch comes out pushing features nobody asked for—especially the always-online requirement. On top of that, they tried to force that half-baked Kinect hardware onto everyone. Microsoft took all the goodwill and momentum the Xbox 360 had built and trashed it in favor of corporate-driven decisions. The Xbox brand still hasn't fully recovered from that misstep and remains in a shaky state.


Now Nintendo seems to be following the same formula. The Switch was their first major success with a broader audience in years—let's be honest, the Wii was largely a casual-focused console. The Switch brought back gamers like me who had grown disillusioned with Nintendo. Personally, my relationship with them went from love, to frustration, back to admiration, and now disappointment again.


The upcoming Switch 2 appears to be heading in a direction most of us don't want: rising game prices without meaningful improvements in quality. Many games won't even come as physical copies—just digital keys, which are basically store-locked DRM. Their online store still looks like the same outdated Switch interface, and there aren't many compelling titles on the horizon that would appeal to players already invested in current-gen PlayStation or Xbox systems. The biggest draw seems to be a new Mario Kart, but I've seen no justification for it costing more than other titles. Sure, there will always be die-hard Nintendo fans willing to pay any price, but the broader market may not be as forgiving.


Here's where Nintendo has backed itself into a corner: major developers have already stated they won't be increasing game prices. We're seeing high-profile titles like the new Mafia game launching under $60. If games like GTA 6 hit the market at $69.99 while Nintendo asks for even more without offering the same value, it's going to raise red flags. Once casual gamers start noticing the price discrepancy, Nintendo's inflated pricing strategy could seriously backfire.

To make a long story short, I believe this will cost NIntendo and will have a much less success with the Switch 2.
 
For fuck sake if you dont like it then dont fucking buy it.....all this crying needs to stop.
Seriously. Nintendo might get the wakeup call they need if people did just that, but judging by the fact the pre orders are sold out I guess not. Hell, I still remember finding Xbox day 1 editions 6 months after the thing came out lol
 
xbox1: heres an underpowered console + crap no one wants.. and 1 is smaller than 360
switch2: heres more power than you were expecting + a safe evolution of the same stuff... and 2 is larger than 1

switch2 probably gonna be fine
 
For fuck sake if you dont like it then dont fucking buy it.....all this crying needs to stop.
What bothers me is not that people like OP post their complaints, I think it is ok and it serves as catharsis or whatever... The problem is when others flood most spaces with rage bait or drop the price bs and don't let us, the ones hyped and wanted to scape all the negative this, show out excitement like right after the Direct. The worst thing is that most of them preordered anyway or were just farming interactions as attention bitches they are
 
For fuck sake if you dont like it then dont fucking buy it.....all this crying needs to stop.
It's not crying, Just stating an opinion. You read the post and knew what the topic was about. Why are you triggered? Don't worry, I will not buy it.
 
Honestly, at this point all of OP's topics should be combined into one "Gamer79 Can't Stop Bitching About the Switch 2" master thread.

Dude is posting like one of these a day and it's always the same shit.
 
I think what it is with OP is the absolute tears that people actually think MK World is worth £74. And that the S2 is actually worth £400.

And it hurts OP because no one thought the Xbone was worth £5. No one thinks Game Pass is good. No one thinks that Microsoft have any talent because they spent £70b on studios.

So all he has left is making infinite threads tying to persuade people to his twisted world view that South of Midnight is good and that Donkey Kong Banaza is shit tier but that is just retardo mentality.
 
People always talk up the idea of "arrogance" leading to business failure.

Nintendo has come in with a sort-of-acceptable price point to the hardcore (which constitutes the launch volume for any gaming device), they came with strong 3P support and they have their gaming pipeline largely figured out by now.

As much as there are superficial similarities between Nintendo today and Xbox yesterday, the outcomes are almost guaranteed to be completely different.
 
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The upcoming Switch 2 appears to be heading in a direction most of us don't want: rising game prices without meaningful improvements in quality. Many games won't even come as physical copies—just digital keys, which are basically store-locked DRM. Their online store still looks like the same outdated Switch interface, and there aren't many compelling titles on the horizon that would appeal to players already invested in current-gen PlayStation or Xbox systems. The biggest draw seems to be a new Mario Kart, but I've seen no justification for it costing more than other titles. Sure, there will always be die-hard Nintendo fans willing to pay any price, but the broader market may not be as forgiving.


Here's where Nintendo has backed itself into a corner: major developers have already stated they won't be increasing game prices. We're seeing high-profile titles like the new Mafia game launching under $60. If games like GTA 6 hit the market at $69.99 while Nintendo asks for even more without offering the same value, it's going to raise red flags. Once casual gamers start noticing the price discrepancy, Nintendo's inflated pricing strategy could seriously backfire.

To make a long story short, I believe this will cost NIntendo and will have a much less success with the Switch 2.

Okay, I'll take the bait.

I get it - they said they're going to keep making the Switch and had a similar line to what Matrick famously said: "If you don't want to buy the new thing, you can just buy the old thing." But the Switch 2 is nowhere near the level of brand suicide the Xbox One was for several reasons:

99% of people out there aren't going to care about the game code carts. I get that there are a few physical media collectors who are going to die on this hill, but that's all it is - a few people. The public has spoken with their wallets on the digital games topic over the last ten years, and they're wildly in favor of it. If you hate it, you're in a tiny minority. This was not the case with Microsoft's original plan for the Xbox One with it's once every 24 hour check-in. The public hated the idea and Microsoft didn't acknowledge that in the run up to their announcement.

Game prices are going to go up. Nintendo can charge $80 for their games while third parties charge less, just like Sony launched the PS5 with Demon's Souls at $70 when other launch games were $60. Nintendo can get away with it because their first party software is the best of the best. Almost no one is going to skip buying the system because some of the games are a little more expensive.

I just think you're wrong about the Switch 2 being "much less successful" than the original Switch. It might not do 150 million lifetime sales, but if that's the case, it will be for other reasons like supply chain, changing media habits of their Switch install base, etc.
 
Im not getting a switch 2 at launch because I dont think its worth it right now, but OP is off imo.
 
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Except Switch 2 will be bought. And MS pulled back on their stupid decisions, Nintendo will never admit they did something wrong, because losing faces and japanese culture…
 
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At some point too much will be too much but I'm not sure we are there yet. I remember discussions about Pokemon not doing as well if their $30 games from previous generations would now be $40 on 3DS. Then many wondered if the little kids and mommy's would be willing to pay $60 when the Switch generation hit. As it turns out they would and they did, in record numbers. Granted this is only one mega popular game series and not the console itself we are talking about.

If people don't think it's worth it they won't buy it. I don't think we are there yet.
 
OP is right but 2025 isn't 2013. If Nintendo released the 3DS today there would be no pushback against its price, in fact the discourse around the portable would be "it's ok because inflation" and "videogames are a luxury anyway"

xbox1: heres an underpowered console + crap no one wants.. and 1 is smaller than 360
switch2: heres more power than you were expecting + a safe evolution of the same stuff... and 2 is larger than 1

switch2 probably gonna be fine
Switch 2 is less powerful than I expected considering it's almost as expensive as a PS5.
 
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There's basically zero link between what Nintendo is doing with key cards and what Microsoft did with DRM. Not sure what connection you see.

And the main bad thing Nintendo has done with Switch 2 (the price of Mario Kart) isn't really reflected in the Xbox One.

They are quite different situations.
 
It's like you're desperately calling the mods' attention at this point.
No one takes your threads seriously anymore, give it a break. Play some games.
 
You can say that Nintendo is getting arrogant, and I agree. You can even compare that the 360 made a foundation and XOne fucked everything up, and basically everyone agrees. But this comparison doesn't make sense at all and your head is hearing too much non existing voices
 
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