Nintendo is not Doomed; YOU are Doomed.

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I never thought I, of all people, would be the one starting a thread like this, but since none of you suckers had the guts, it falls to me. So, more than 3 years after the release of the Gamecube, it can finally safely be said that Nintendo is, in fact, not Doomed as many previously believed. The facts, if I may...

-GBA systems are the hottest portable gadget around. Hotter than the Ipod, hotter than Palms, and hotter than your momma.

-Nintendo introduced the DS and it too has sold well without denting GBA sales much. There's a chance this trend may continue for some time, especially with the price differentials ($79 vs $149). Both systems look to be viable money-makers for Nintendo, with the GBA being slowly phased out in a few years as Nintendo releases the PSP-killer (or stronger competitor) -- the GBA 2.

-The Gamecube is doing pretty damn well lately. It's holiday numbers were respectable and it not only has the much-anticipated Zelda on the horizon (the #1 most anticipated game for many, many gamers), it also has a very solid library of quality budget titles (FZero, Pikmins, Mario, Zelda WW, Metroid Prime, SSBM etc.) and hot/new titles like the critically acclaimed RE4 (and Metroid 2, Paper Mario, Donkey Kong JB, etc)! On top of all that, Nintendo is actually making decent money of the little 'Cube that could!

-The Revolution apparently is very real and very poised to, at the very least, give gamers an alternative to PS3/Xenon. Nintendo is skilled in releasing quality hardware that packs a punch at a cheap price. It's got decades of experience and loads of talent. The Revolution might not be an actual Revolution, but as long as it serves its purpose as being Nintendo's "3rd pillar" in profitability and it's tool for further showcasing it's talent and ingenuity in the home console market, then it'll be a success.

-And finally, Nintendo is making good on alot of its promises to its fans and to its shareholders. It's boosting its image with witty, mature ads (which don't seem to alienate its lucrative younger market). It's releasing high quality hardware (Wavebird, Gamecube, GBA SP, and DS) at good prices. It's trying to forge strong alliances with high profile third-party developers and publishers (EA, Konami, Capcom, Square, etc.) for the home AND portable markets. In short, Nintendo is moving in the right direction and repositioning itself as a very strong player in the overall multibillion dollar videogame market. Nintendo ain't goin' nowhere, and neither should you, ya 'ear?
 
RE4 vs. SH4 said:
You've been playing that refurbed 'cube?

'nyet (or Not yet, in english). My former roommate used to have a Cube and we both used to play on that (although sparingly) and I didn't mind at all when we parted ways and he took that console with him. I owned one originally at launch, but got bored quickly and sold it on ebay. I'm gonna go to Game Crazy this weekend and pick up a used one most probably.
 
RE4 is going to do what millions of dollars worth of development for other games never did, its going to make the cube a must have system
 
open_mouth_ said:
'nyet (or Not yet, in english). My former roommate used to have a Cube and we both used to play on that (although sparingly) and I didn't mind at all when we parted ways and he took that console with him. I owned one originally at launch, but got bored quickly and sold it on ebay. I'm gonna go to Game Crazy this weekend and pick up a used one most probably.

I'd rent Metroid Prime. Can't hurt to try. Ikaruga is another great old one.
 
loudog999 said:
RE4 is going to do what millions of dollars worth of development for other games never did, its going to make the cube a must have system

Right up until they announce the PS2 version.
 
Sho Nuff said:
Haha, milk is for babies! Real men drink beer!
:lol :lol :lol Why do I remember that line? :lol :lol :lol Stupid Shenmue has broken me for life.

And as for the topic - I have GBA/GC/PS2/Xbox, and I play the GC the most. Most of the games I currently want are on GC. That is all the evidence I need for GC not being doomed.
 
Koshiro said:
:lol :lol :lol Why do I remember that line? :lol :lol :lol Stupid Shenmue has broken me for life.

And as for the topic - I have GBA/GC/PS2/Xbox, and I play the GC the most. Most of the games I currently want are on GC. That is all the evidence I need for GC not being doomed.
Shenmue? I thought Ah-nohld Schwarzenegger said that.
 
"On top of all that, Nintendo is actually making decent money of the little 'Cube that could!"

Not. At $99 with a game packed in. That's a statement that has no truth to it.
 
Ahhh Nintendo. I feel sometimes like these threads should activate some kind of panel on my computer that will hand me a blunt object (for bashing). Sort of like how RoboCop's leg dispensed his gun.

The Holiday sales of the GameCube (at least at the store I work at) came from this situation.
Customer: "Do you have the PS2?"
Me: "No"
Customer: "Do you have Xboxes?"
Me: "No, but I do have GameCubes and they come with a free game and extra controller"
Customer: (not happy) "Fine, I'll take that... I have to have something for my son on Christmas"

I won't argue Nintendo and Handhelds, the strangle hold they have on the market is almost sickening. I almost want the PSP to "win" just so I can see Nintendo get slapped around in an arena where it has been unchallenged in for quite some time. Plus the PSP is looking to be a solid and more versatile system, Sony just has to back it the right way and for the love of all that's holy, it needs to have enough of them.

To suddenly become a "must have" console this late in the game doesn't strike me as beneficial. Think, if I've waited this long before even thinking about getting a GC... Why not just wait a bit longer and get it all the cheaper? Or just not get it at all because I haven't needed it so far?

I'm not going to say that Nintendo is doomed, but to paint a little picture of Mario and his pals stomping over the competition as they bring forth "the revolution" is a little overly optimistic. If there was any revolution this time around it was Master Chief rallying gamers to the beauty that is online console gaming. Sure, the DC had done it but XBL is just a great step forward, just the LAN capablity is good.

I don't want to see Nintendo go away.. but the thought of them being the big fish in the pond again makes me a little wary.
 
CrimsonSkies said:
"On top of all that, Nintendo is actually making decent money of the little 'Cube that could!"

Not. At $99 with a game packed in. That's a statement that has no truth to it.

It might be surprising for you, but companies also make money on the console's software not just hardware.
 
"On top of all that, Nintendo is actually making decent money of the little 'Cube that could!"

Not. At $99 with a game packed in. That's a statement that has no truth to it.

Top 50 total game sales for Nintendo published games for December

Gamecube = 2,231,285
GBA = 2,166,089


what was that u said?
 
bigNman said:
Top 50 total game sales for Nintendo published games for December

Gamecube = 2,231,285
GBA = 2,166,089

I'm not going to dig around for other numbers and stuff but I'd ask you to use your computing/stat gathering prowess to tell us the numbers for Xbox and PS2 in comparison.

Oh.. well maybe this will help. While not all in December, Halo 2 is up to about 5 Million, to make it easier to compare we'll do this

5,000,000.... Hmmm wow Nintendo you've sure beaten the pants off of the competition this holiday season!

Maybe I'm not reading your post right but it would indicate that the Top 50 games that Nintendo had out this Holiday season sold about 2 million units per platform. So, when ONE game for a single competitor out performs several games.. you're telling me the revolution is coming?
 
I'm not going to dig around for other numbers and stuff but I'd ask you to use your computing/stat gathering prowess to tell us the numbers for Xbox and PS2 in comparison.

That wasnt the total top 50 games, just Nintendo's games in the top 50. I really cant be bothered counting MS and Sony published games. But as you can see more cube game sales than the GBA. So they are making some big money off the cube.
 
Nintendo is worse now than it ever has been. A gimmicky ass two screenhandheld that complicates controls and a console that will probably be along the same lines.

Satoru Iwata is one of the worse things to ever happen to Nintendo.
 
The Guivre said:
While not all in December, Halo 2 is up to about 11 Million, to make it easier to compare we'll do this

11,000,000.... Hmmm wow Nintendo you've sure beaten the pants off of the competition this holiday season!

Maybe I'm not reading your post right but it would indicate that the Top 50 games that Nintendo had out this Holiday season sold about 2 million units per platform. So, when ONE game for a single competitor out performs several games.. you're telling me the revolution is coming?

First of all, what the hell are you talking about? Second of all, what the hell are you talking about? I guess your Halo 2 number is hypothetical or something but whatever it is, it makes no sense. He said Nintendo sold that many titles total for those respective platforms in December. That GBA number seems low to me though but I didnt do the individual math so who knows.
 
SantaCruZer said:
It's been announced months ago, but atleast it's not on all 3 platforms.

Well, if it's going to be a portfest, it's too bad, because everyone should play it. At least they could make it look as good on Xbox and it's bloody enough that it might actually sell there.

GC looks good this year and the old stuff is cheap! I hope there are surprises in the line-up (mariomariomario) and that the strange titles left (Odama, AW action strategy) actually release.

DS is lame as hell but why not treat yourself to a Game Boy Player one of the best console add-ons ever?
 
Musashi Wins! said:
Well, if it's going to be a portfest, it's too bad, because everyone should play it. At least they could make it look as good on Xbox and it's bloody enough that it might actually sell there.

GC looks good this year and the old stuff is cheap! I hope there are surprises in the line-up (mariomariomario) and that the strange titles left (Odama, AW action strategy) actually release.

DS is lame as hell but why not treat yourself to a Game Boy Player one of the best console add-ons ever?

I was thinking atleast for the gamecube since it lacks killer 3rd party exclusives like Xbox and especially PS2 have. A time exclusive RE4 for 9-10 months might do wonders for the little cube.
 
SantaCruZer said:
I was thinking atleast for the gamecube since it lacks killer 3rd party exclusives like Xbox and especially PS2 have. A time exclusive RE4 for 9-10 months might do wonders for the little cube.

Yea, it should just be an exclusive obviously as far as system wars go because it's INCREDIBLY AWESOME. But I hear it's selling really, really well. I'm sure a lot of us will rave about it to other gaming friends.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
Yea, it should just be an exclusive obviously as far as system wars go because it's INCREDIBLY AWESOME. But I hear it's selling really, really well. I'm sure a lot of us will rave about it to other gaming friends.

yeah, but what's the deal with the reviews though? Only 9 reviews available, and the at same time period Halo 2 had like 40 reviews.

RE4 has only been reviewed in one magazine (GMR), on top of that only subscribers could get that. It's too bad EGM and Game Informer couldn't review this game in January (since GMR had the world exclusive rigths)

Could that actually end up hurting some RE4 sales in January?
 
I don't think RE4 will hurt for publicity. It just seems like it next to something like San Andreas and Halo 2. There are plenty of RE fans out there grabbing the game up I'm sure. And while Resident Evil is a very successful series it's not as, perhaps contraversial as say San Andreas is, so it doesn't get as much over all attention.

I'd also like to see what happens when it's time for Sony to start pushing RE4.
 
Why compare the GameCube's sales to its competitors. If Nintendo sold 50 GC's this month and still managed to make money, then they aint doomed.
 
SomeDude said:
Nintendo is worse now than it ever has been. A gimmicky ass two screenhandheld that complicates controls and a console that will probably be along the same lines.

Satoru Iwata is one of the worse things to ever happen to Nintendo.

The GC situation is not his fault. He came in the middle of things. Wait for the Revolution.
 
The Guivre said:
I'm not going to dig around for other numbers and stuff but I'd ask you to use your computing/stat gathering prowess to tell us the numbers for Xbox and PS2 in comparison.

Oh.. well maybe this will help. While not all in December, Halo 2 is up to about 5 Million, to make it easier to compare we'll do this

5,000,000.... Hmmm wow Nintendo you've sure beaten the pants off of the competition this holiday season!

Maybe I'm not reading your post right but it would indicate that the Top 50 games that Nintendo had out this Holiday season sold about 2 million units per platform. So, when ONE game for a single competitor out performs several games.. you're telling me the revolution is coming?

Did MS make a profit this year off Xbox?
 
Nintendo makes profit. Therefore, they're not doomed. When they continuously post losses, then they're doomed.

As far as I'm concerned, the Cube is easily my favourite of the systems this gen. I tend to have the most fun with the games on the Cube.

For me: Cube > Xbox > PS2.

But this might change this year, as the Xbox has the least amount of games I'm interested in for 2005. Hopefully, E3 will have some amazing announcements for the big green monster. For the PS2, Wanda and Dragon Quest is all I need, but there are so many other titles coming for it that I will definitely enjoy. The Cube/GBA wins for me though, simply because of StarFox, Zelda, and Fire Emblem. If these were the only games coming out this year, Nintendo would still be the winner for me personally.

Regardless of which system you like, this gen has really been amazing. The quality titles that have released on every platform is amazing. I hope that the next gen continues this trend!
 
Yeah man, I just picked up both RE 4 and MP 2. Am loving my cube right now. Still havent played Paper Mario 2 and Pikmin 2 either(both of which I want). Gonna take abit of a break from online game :)
 
Just because I wasn't too fond of Nintendo's home efforts in the last 6-7 years, doesn't mean I shouldn't admit/notice when they're starting to do things right more often. Give credit where it's due. I'm just telling it like it is.
 
Odnetnin said:
all this because of RE4? :lol :lol

Nintendo should be happy that RE4 is one of the best games ever. Now how Nintendo let a 3 years RE4 exclusivty slip away from them is another story. I blame Nintendo for screwing up.
 
If RE4 is so friggen awesome how come it isn't being promoted like crazy? Who's doing the marketing Capcom & Nintendo or just Capcom alone? Where are the smart marketing and research groups pushing this game? I say dish out the money if its worth it.
 
geogaddi said:
If RE4 is so friggen awesome how come it isn't being promoted like crazy? Who's doing the marketing Capcom & Nintendo or just Capcom alone? Where are the smart marketing and research groups pushing this game? I say dish out the money if its worth it.

Yeah annoying. Lets hope they pick up.
 
geogaddi said:
If RE4 is so friggen awesome how come it isn't being promoted like crazy? Who's doing the marketing Capcom & Nintendo or just Capcom alone? Where are the smart marketing and research groups pushing this game? I say dish out the money if its worth it.

It doesn't need much promotion, imo. 1st off, most mags and online sites will be spreading the good word with positive reviews and articles and then you've got all the positive word of mouth that's going on. Add the fact that it's already a well-known franchise and you've got a recipe for success.
 
They should market Resident Evil 4 moreso, there I agree but at some point your userbase has to step up to the plate and buy something other than a "cartoony" type of game.

But I agree ... Nintendo is looking to be in good shape right now.

For all the fuss of them getting out of hardware, this past Christmas they may have sold more hardware than they have in a long time. Hell their hardware sales right now (between the GBA SP/DS/GCN) are probably more impressive than their software sales for the past holiday (didn't really release a big game other than MP2: Echoes).

I'm starting to warm to the idea of a gyroscopic controlled game machine. They must work with third-parties on it though (looks like they are already with all the Mario collaborations).

From a console P.O.V. though I don't think Nintendo so much minds being no.3. Of course they'd like to shore certain areas up and it'd be nice to have better 3rd party sales (and software sales overall) on their console platforms, but those things are doable given the right focus and software.
 
imo.. NINTENDO should advertise more. They're already released that PR... what they need to do to move cubes is to release special edition RESIDENT EVIL GAMECUBES. They did this in Japan (for TOS), I don't see why not for this wonderful game.

THey should make it yellow... splattered with blood (like the chainsaw controller)... I'd want one.
 
open_mouth_ said:
I never thought I, of all people, would be the one starting a thread like this, but since none of you suckers had the guts, it falls to me. So, more than 3 years after the release of the Gamecube, it can finally safely be said that Nintendo is, in fact, not Doomed as many previously believed. The facts, if I may...

-GBA systems are the hottest portable gadget around. Hotter than the Ipod, hotter than Palms, and hotter than your momma.

-Nintendo introduced the DS and it too has sold well without denting GBA sales much. There's a chance this trend may continue for some time, especially with the price differentials ($79 vs $149). Both systems look to be viable money-makers for Nintendo, with the GBA being slowly phased out in a few years as Nintendo releases the PSP-killer (or stronger competitor) -- the GBA 2.

-The Gamecube is doing pretty damn well lately. It's holiday numbers were respectable and it not only has the much-anticipated Zelda on the horizon (the #1 most anticipated game for many, many gamers), it also has a very solid library of quality budget titles (FZero, Pikmins, Mario, Zelda WW, Metroid Prime, SSBM etc.) and hot/new titles like the critically acclaimed RE4 (and Metroid 2, Paper Mario, Donkey Kong JB, etc)! On top of all that, Nintendo is actually making decent money of the little 'Cube that could!

-The Revolution apparently is very real and very poised to, at the very least, give gamers an alternative to PS3/Xenon. Nintendo is skilled in releasing quality hardware that packs a punch at a cheap price. It's got decades of experience and loads of talent. The Revolution might not be an actual Revolution, but as long as it serves its purpose as being Nintendo's "3rd pillar" in profitability and it's tool for further showcasing it's talent and ingenuity in the home console market, then it'll be a success.

-And finally, Nintendo is making good on alot of its promises to its fans and to its shareholders. It's boosting its image with witty, mature ads (which don't seem to alienate its lucrative younger market). It's releasing high quality hardware (Wavebird, Gamecube, GBA SP, and DS) at good prices. It's trying to forge strong alliances with high profile third-party developers and publishers (EA, Konami, Capcom, Square, etc.) for the home AND portable markets. In short, Nintendo is moving in the right direction and repositioning itself as a very strong player in the overall multibillion dollar videogame market. Nintendo ain't goin' nowhere, and neither should you, ya 'ear?

Yeah..Hip Hip Horay!! Teh Cube lives on!!! :lol


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What Nintendo should do is release a "PSTwo" style redeisgned cube, maybe towards the end of the year. Sell it for $50 and re-market it. The PSOne sold about another 25m alone, and I still don't know why?!! Crash games are still doing 50-100k a year on Platinum sales? Nearly 10 years after the PS came out. GT3 did about 1.5m at full price in teh US and over 2m on budget!

There's definitely something to be said about re-releasing things on the cheap. It could create a whole new market. As has been said, Smash Bros, Mario Sunshine, Zelda:WW are all selling well on Player's Choice. Expect Smash Bros to pass Halo in monthy sales now Halo 2 is out, especially when it drops to $20 at some point this year. Even Mario Golf / Kirby's Air Ride are doing well on budget release. And don't forget Sonic Mega Collection, which has doubled its sales in the last 4-5 months after dropping to $20.

I think the GC has a lot of life left in it yet. It must be upto 4m in Japan by now. The N64 only did 5.5m. There's a fair chance the GC could do 750k+ this year, and possibly pass 5m in it's lifetime. I could definitely see them going down the budget route with the cube. Look at the success of the GBA! Some may argue it was nothing more than a handheld SNES with a few Pokemon games. You've got titles like Mario Bros 2/3, Mario World, Mario Kart all doing another 4-5 million. SM64 on DS should do similar numbers also. I know the fact you can now play on the move is a factor, but had Nintendo released a budget-priced, redesigned N64 and re-released all the old games for $20 they could have still been selling now, much like PSOne.
 
Broshnat said:
What Nintendo should do is release a "PSTwo" style redeisgned cube, maybe towards the end of the year. Sell it for $50 and re-market it. The PSOne sold about another 25m alone, and I still don't know why?!! Crash games are still doing 50-100k a year on Platinum sales? Nearly 10 years after the PS came out. GT3 did about 1.5m at full price in teh US and over 2m on budget!

There's definitely something to be said about re-releasing things on the cheap. It could create a whole new market. As has been said, Smash Bros, Mario Sunshine, Zelda:WW are all selling well on Player's Choice. Expect Smash Bros to pass Halo in monthy sales now Halo 2 is out, especially when it drops to $20 at some point this year. Even Mario Golf / Kirby's Air Ride are doing well on budget release. And don't forget Sonic Mega Collection, which has doubled its sales in the last 4-5 months after dropping to $20.

I think the GC has a lot of life left in it yet. It must be upto 4m in Japan by now. The N64 only did 5.5m. There's a fair chance the GC could do 750k+ this year, and possibly pass 5m in it's lifetime. I could definitely see them going down the budget route with the cube. Look at the success of the GBA! Some may argue it was nothing more than a handheld SNES with a few Pokemon games. You've got titles like Mario Bros 2/3, Mario World, Mario Kart all doing another 4-5 million. SM64 on DS should do similar numbers also. I know the fact you can now play on the move is a factor, but had Nintendo released a budget-priced, redesigned N64 and re-released all the old games for $20 they could have still been selling now, much like PSOne.


I don't think hitting 5 million is the problem... I think the problem is getting developers to keep supporting cube after the gen is over. Its like it is now.. who's going to 3rd party when Nintendo has left the building... The ps2 will have a better post gen lifespan than cube or xbox for that matter will ever have
 
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