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Nintendo LTD: December 2005

cvxfreak

Member
Game Boy Advance

Super Mario Advance 2 2,461,243
Pokemon Ruby Version 2,457,067
Pokemon Sapphire Version 2,206,915
Super Mario Advance 2,076,832
Mario Kart: Super Circuit 2,094,671
Super Mario Bros 3: Super Mario Advance 4 2,070,569
Pokemon Emerald Version 1,710,954
Pokemon FireRed Version 1,641,825
The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To Past 1,396,397
Pokemon LeafGreen Version 1,432,617
Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 1,152,199
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga 999,741
Kirby: Nightmare In Dreamland 972,652
Donkey Kong Country 962,728
Metroid Fusion 943,023
Golden Sun 743,361
Wario Land 4 719,100
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 653,919
The Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap 653,029
Donkey Kong Country 2 619,407
Kirby And The Amazing Mirror 601,273
Classic Nes Series: Super Mario Bros. 551,002
Mario Vs. Donkey Kong 542,986
Pokemon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire 540,646
Golden Sun 2: The Lost Age 483,043
Metroid Zero Mission 473,547
Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn Of Souls 465,188
Advance Wars 401,221
Fire Emblem 392,183
Mario Pinball Land 379,194
Advance Wars 2: Black Hole Rising 370,787
Classic Nes Series: The Legend Of Zelda 368,696
Game & Watch Gallery 4 347,544
Mario Party Advance 339,891
Classic Nes Series: Donkey Kong 319,942
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones 285,844
F-Zero Maximum Velocity 274,737
Classic Nes Series: Zelda II: Adventure Of Link 269,446
Warioware Inc Mega Micro Game$ 250,812
Sword Of Mana 243,116
Classic Nes Series: Dr. Mario 244,689
Mario Golf Advance Tour 240,809
Donkey Kong Country 3 239,701
Hamtaro: Ham Ham Heartbreak 205,477
Classic Nes Series: Pac-Man 199,115
Pokemon: Johto Photo Finish (Vol. 1) 191,957
Classic Nes Series: Metroid 180,347
Pokemon: For Ho-Oh The Bells Toll (Vol 2) 157,168
Wario Ware Twisted! 153,545
Classic Nes Series: Castlevania 129,405
Disney's Magical Quest 125,129
Yoshi Topsy-Turvy 114,946
Hamtaro: Ham-Ham Games 109,253
Final Fantasy IV Advance 107,264
Donkey Kong: King of Swing 96,191
Pokemon: I Choose You! 90,205
Pokemon: Beach Blank-Out Blastoise 75,834
Classic Nes Series: Ice Climber 75,665
Classic Nes Series: Excitebike 73,217
Classic Nes Series: Bomberman 71,270
Classic Nes Series: Xevious 59,306
F-Zero: GP Legend 55,748
Dr. Mario & Puzzle League 40,488
Pocket Dogs 2,614

Nintendo DS

Super Mario 64 DS 1,286,854
Mario Kart DS 653,697
Nintendogs: Dachshund 556,342 (/1,465,408)
Nintendogs: Labrador 474,540 (/1,465,408)
Nintendogs: Chihuahua 434,526 (/1,465,408)
WarioWare: Touched! 377,080
Mario & Luigi 2: Partners in Time 260,779
Animal Crossing Wild World 254,354
Kirby: Canvas Curse 237,370
Yoshi Touch & Go 236,398
Advance Wars: Dual Strike 170,615
Pokemon Dash 153,980
Meteos 82,998
Metroid Prime Pinball 58,258
Polarium 37,329

GameCube

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 3,097,694
Super Mario Sunshine - 2,337,169
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 2,079,539
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! - 2,038,925
Luigi's Mansion - 1,836,046
Metroid Prime - 1,323,897
Animal Crossing - 1,222,328
Pokemon Colosseum - 1,019,586
Mario Party 4 - 980,632
Mario Party 5 - 835,385
Star Fox Adventures - 826,298
Mario Party 6 - 742,210
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour - 781,143
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - 683,905
Pikmin - 679,773
Kirby Air Ride - 677,186
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes - 601,453
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles - 512,754
Mario Party 7: 500,653
Mario Power Tennis - 452,380
Mario Superstar Baseball - 406,338
Donkey Konga - 371,482
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures - 365,688
Wave Race: Blue Storm - 338,996
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness: 336,022
F-Zero GX - 323,057
Super Mario Strikers: 310,427
Pikmin 2 - 303,557
Eternal Darkness - 291,117
Star Fox Assault - 277,838
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - 261,438
Pokemon Channel - 189,124
Custom Robo - 184,523
1080 Avalanche - 176,457
NBA Courtside 2002 - 162,090
Wario Ware Inc. - 155,392
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 145,935
Disney's Magical Mirror - 126,439
Donkey Konga 2 - 123,250
Battalion Wars - 54,077
Geist - 27,164
 

Acrylamid

Member
Thank you!
Do you also have the LTD number for Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix (it's listed as a Konami game, afaik)?
 

AniHawk

Member
I'm surprised by how popular MKDS, MP7, and Nintendogs were despite all being bundled (Nintendogs is a bit of a weird exception though)

Naked Snake said:
What does LTD stand for?

Lifetime to date.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
cvxfreak said:
GameCube

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 3,097,694
Super Mario Sunshine - 2,337,169
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 2,079,539
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! - 2,038,925
Luigi's Mansion - 1,836,046
Metroid Prime - 1,323,897
Animal Crossing - 1,222,328
Pokemon Colosseum - 1,019,586
Mario Party 4 - 980,632
Mario Party 5 - 835,385
Star Fox Adventures - 826,298
Mario Party 6 - 742,210
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour - 781,143
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - 683,905
Pikmin - 679,773
Kirby Air Ride - 677,186
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes - 601,453
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles - 512,754
Mario Party 7: 500,653
Mario Power Tennis - 452,380
Mario Superstar Baseball - 406,338
Donkey Konga - 371,482
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures - 365,688
Wave Race: Blue Storm - 338,996
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness: 336,022
F-Zero GX - 323,057
Super Mario Strikers: 310,427
Pikmin 2 - 303,557
Eternal Darkness - 291,117
Star Fox Assault - 277,838
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - 261,438
Pokemon Channel - 189,124
Custom Robo - 184,523
1080 Avalanche - 176,457
NBA Courtside 2002 - 162,090
Wario Ware Inc. - 155,392
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 145,935
Disney's Magical Mirror - 126,439
Donkey Konga 2 - 123,250
Battalion Wars - 54,077
Geist - 27,164

Metroid Prime 2 over 600k = Yay!
Battalion Wars over 50k = Yay!
Pikmin 2 over 300k = Yay!
 

ioi

Banned
Well this is it, as of July or something we at least had (bundles):

Mario Sunshine 626k
Mario Kart: DD 844k
Metroid Prime 339k

Taking the top GC games to more like:

Smash Brothers Melee 3.10m
Mario Sunshine 2.96m
Mario Kart: DD 2.88m
Zelda: Wind Waker 2.08m
Luigi's Mansion 1.84m
Metroid Prime 1.66m
Animal Crossing 1.22m
Pokemon Colosseum 1.02m

Compared to, for N64:

Mario 64 5.94m
Goldeneye 5.02m
Mario Kart 64 4.8m
Zelda: OOT 3.54m
Donkey Kong 64 2.87m
Pokemon Stadium 2.75m
Smash Bros 2.55m
Diddy Kong Racing 2.50m
Starfox 64 2.39m

So significantly down, but Smash Bros / Mario Kart DD / Mario Sunshine on around 3m isn't bad going at all.
 

Pellham

Banned
Path of Radiance sold almost as much as its Japanese counterpart (less than a 10k difference). Not bad at all, really, considering it's aimed at hardcore gamers, not casuals.
 

ziran

Member
there's great news in these charts.

fire emblem por has become a big hit, especially for the srpg genre, and is sure top 400k worldwide (~160k in japan). also great sales for the gba fe games. this pretty much ensures all future versions will be released outside japan.

m&l2, ac ww and advance wars ds are also doing very well and very impressive mario strikers sales! for all its hate reggie was right when he said mario party was an important title for nintendo, excellent sales!

mario kart ds shows ~650k so i'm assuming there were around 350k sold in bundles bringing it up to the million noa pr said, which is great news. it's a brilliant game and deserves the sales.

but, the best news is the success of nintendogs, which, including bundles, is well over 1.5 million. i love the game and it's amazing to see sales of ~4.5 million worldwide in less than a year! the game will easily top 6 million, in fact i wonder what the final sales will be?!

it's going to be interesting to see how the brain training games will be received outside japan. personally, i'm really looking forward to them :)
 

AniHawk

Member
Pellham said:
Path of Radiance sold almost as much as its Japanese counterpart (less than a 10k difference). Not bad at all, really, considering it's aimed at hardcore gamers, not casuals.

Shoulda sold better. TSS had no TV campagin and it sold better. I'd love to see the FE franchise become popular enough for IS to experiment a bit more (VA, more cutscenes)
 
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Deleted member 1235

Unconfirmed Member
Naked Snake said:
What does LTD stand for?

License to

DANCE

dancing.jpg
 

ethelred

Member
Even though they're not really bad sales at all for a console RPG, I'm definitely saddened by Fire Emblem: PoR's >150k. Nintendo pulled out all the stops for it and put together a fantastic advertising campaign for a truly deserving game -- I really hoped to see it do much better, a little bit closer on par to the GBA FEs (at least The Sacred Stones, anyway).

My concern isn't that future games (or, fingers crossed, past games too) won't get localized for America -- the sales for each of the three titles has been strong enough that that should be guaranteed. My greater concern is that Nintendo will just go back to keeping the series handheld-only, when PoR proved that more console versions deserve to be made.

Oh well...

Great sales so far for Mario & Luigi 2. In Japan, the game launched at double Superstar Saga's initial sales -- I don't suppose anyone here knows what Superstar Saga's American LTDs were in the month or two months following its release, so we can compare how well the two succesor is doing in Japan vs. America? That'd be nice to see.

Also, Superstar Saga's sales are great are seem to be continuing -- it's sold 3k since the November LTDs, so the game should pass a million pretty soon.
 

lo zaffo

Member
Archie said:
[demi]BUY FIRE EMBLEM[/demi]
I did because I care. I'm sorry that internal booklet don't give me credits informations about Intelligent Systems staff and Nintendo's one, Paper Mario: the Thousandyears Door's booklet did it. I'm talking about European booklets.
 

ioi

Banned
ethelred said:
I don't suppose anyone here knows what Superstar Saga's American LTDs were in the month or two months following its release, so we can compare how well the two succesor is doing in Japan vs. America? That'd be nice to see.

Superstar Saga did really well (on a much bigger GBA userbase of course):

136k Nov 03
427k Dec 03

349k through 2004
88k in 2005

In Japan PiT started better sure, but SSS had a boost over xmas that PiT won't so I'd say they will end up about the same:

http://www.everythingandnothing.org...+Saga&name2=Mario+&+Luigi+2:+Partners+In+Time

You have to look at week ending 4th Jan for SSS for a decent comparison- 372k vs 262k although obv PiT will not drop off as much into the new year so may be able to make up the difference. Same in the USA- PiT has some good sales in it as it has launched fairly early in the DS's life.
 

Lindsay

Dot Hacked
cvxfreak said:
Super Mario Advance 2 2,461,243
Pokemon Ruby Version 2,457,067

Its only a matter of time now!

Pokemon Emerald Version 1,710,954
Pokemon FireRed Version 1,641,825

Yayyyy! I said it'd overtake by the end of the year!

The Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap 653,029
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness: 336,022

Starting to look more respectable~

Wario Ware Twisted! 153,545

Unlike this. ;_;

Kirby: Canvas Curse 237,370

Bleh this deserved a much better holiday bump.

Animal Crossing Wild World 254,354

"Undershipped" or not... I told yous so......


Now to reverse enginer the PKMN guesses. @_@
 

ethelred

Member
ioi said:
Superstar Saga did really well (on a much bigger GBA userbase of course):

136k Nov 03
427k Dec 03

349k through 2004
88k in 2005

In Japan PiT started better sure, but SSS had a boost over xmas that PiT won't so I'd say they will end up about the same:

http://www.everythingandnothing.org...+Saga&name2=Mario+&+Luigi+2:+Partners+In+Time

You have to look at week ending 4th Jan for SSS for a decent comparison- 372k vs 262k although obv PiT will not drop off as much into the new year so may be able to make up the difference. Same in the USA- PiT has some good sales in it as it has launched fairly early in the DS's life.

Yeah, I don't expect PiT to do as well overall in the US as SSS did (those are pretty phenomenal US sales).

But on the Japanese numbers, are you sure? I guess it depends on what we see in the next round of Media Create/Famitsu numbers, but the two weeks so far for Partners in time have been *really* good in Japan, and I'm expecting that to continue for a bit... again, just going by the trend of DS games maintaining incredible momentum right now. PiT's launch sales and second week sales were both double that of SSS (owing, I would think, to the DS's crazy popularity right now) -- even with a substantial drop in its third week sales, if it manages to hang along to the Top 30 charts for a bit, it should top SSS.

The main thing is the PiT's launch week was higher than SSS's two strong holiday weeks, while PiT's second week was stronger than SSS's launch week. So PiT just needs to maintain decent sales for its remaining weeks -- and if it hovers around #9 - 12 for a while (above, say, DQ: Slime Mori Mori 2) then it should manage that.

Either way, fun to speculate. :)
 

ioi

Banned
ethelred said:
Yeah, I don't expect PiT to do as well overall in the US as SSS did (those are pretty phenomenal US sales).

But on the Japanese numbers, are you sure? I guess it depends on what we see in the next round of Media Create/Famitsu numbers, but the two weeks so far for Partners in time have been *really* good in Japan, and I'm expecting that to continue for a bit... again, just going by the trend of DS games maintaining incredible momentum right now. PiT's launch sales and second week sales were both double that of SSS (owing, I would think, to the DS's crazy popularity right now) -- even with a substantial drop in its third week sales, if it manages to hang along to the Top 30 charts for a bit, it should top SSS.

The main thing is the PiT's launch week was higher than SSS's two strong holiday weeks, while PiT's second week was stronger than SSS's launch week. So PiT just needs to maintain decent sales for its remaining weeks -- and if it hovers around #9 - 12 for a while (above, say, DQ: Slime Mori Mori 2) then it should manage that.

Either way, fun to speculate. :)

No I agree by and large, I think 450-500k is about what it'll hit.

All the DS games that are doing well now will have a VERY strong Jan-March, hovering around top 10 or so as you say. The domination isn't just going to stop now that the holiday season is over. The numbers will drop back quite a bit though. Most games are gonna have a bit hit this week, I'd imagine something like:

Brain Training 2- 130k (still phenomenal)
Animal Crossing- 60k
Brain Training- 55k
Mario Kart DS- 40k
Mario & Lugi 2- 35k
Gentle BT- 35k
Nintendogs- 30k

and so on. Numbers will be about 1/3 of last week but as you say all these games will have some good legs and will prob still be doing 15-30k in a few months time.

Brain Training is still the one that I just can't guess tho. Numbers could be anything. English Training could bump them back up. They could both just settle to about 40k a week and sit there all year (like a less extreme Pokemon). Who knows? The could do 3-4 million each, maybe more?
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
A_Lee_N said:
I approve of this.. Super Mario World is the best Mario game ever.

QFT.

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 3,097,694

Yay!

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 145,935

Yes! That would give it over 300k worldwide. We might get a Rev sequel afterall!!

Oh, and muchas graycias for the chart, CVX. :D
 

ethelred

Member
ioi said:
No I agree by and large, I think 450-500k is about what it'll hit.

All the DS games that are doing well now will have a VERY strong Jan-March, hovering around top 10 or so as you say. The domination isn't just going to stop now that the holiday season is over. The numbers will drop back quite a bit though. Most games are gonna have a bit hit this week, I'd imagine something like:

Brain Training 2- 130k (still phenomenal)
Animal Crossing- 60k
Brain Training- 55k
Mario Kart DS- 40k
Mario & Lugi 2- 35k
Gentle BT- 35k
Nintendogs- 30k

and so on. Numbers will be about 1/3 of last week but as you say all these games will have some good legs and will prob still be doing 15-30k in a few months time.

Brain Training is still the one that I just can't guess tho. Numbers could be anything. English Training could bump them back up. They could both just settle to about 40k a week and sit there all year (like a less extreme Pokemon). Who knows? The could do 3-4 million each, maybe more?

I agree with most of that, and those number look pretty right to me (though AC: WW I would probably estimate at a bit higher).

And I agree with you that the BT games are almost impossible to predict. They really are the biggest surprises of all out of this.
 

ethelred

Member
Oblivion said:
Yes! That would give it over 300k worldwide. We might get a Rev sequel afterall!!

Yeah, but I wanted a quick and easy GCN sequel reusing the graphics engine and character models (with the exception of the unique ones like Ike, Soren, Titania, et al) to conclude the story begun in Path of Radiance. :(
 

ioi

Banned
ethelred said:
I agree with most of that, and those number look pretty right to me (though AC: WW I would probably estimate at a bit higher).

And I agree with you that the BT games are almost impossible to predict. They really are the biggest surprises of all out of this.

Although I want to agree that AC:WW will continue selling as well as it has, I think if you look at past weeks it has started to drop away (comparatively speaking- it's still destroying most games, but whereas most jumped back up a bit last week as is customary, AC didn't- maybe it's getting close to sold out) and I think will have a great 2006 but it will drop away probably more than Brain Trainings. Not knocking AC:WW but it's amazing sales do seem to be slowing a bit, but that doesn't take away from the fact it is still the fastest selling non-Pokemon Nintendo game in over 10 years and will cruise past 2m.
 

cvxfreak

Member
Lindsay said:
Its only a matter of time now!



Yayyyy! I said it'd overtake by the end of the year!



Starting to look more respectable~



Unlike this. ;_;



Bleh this deserved a much better holiday bump.



"Undershipped" or not... I told yous so......


Now to reverse enginer the PKMN guesses. @_@

Don't, I've got you covered.
 

Lindsay

Dot Hacked
cvxfreak said:
Don't, I've got you covered.

And how! So without further ado~my 2k5 Poké Sales roundup.

2k5 Total: 3,822,495 / 2k4 Total: 4,610,601

Game by Game:

Emerald - 1,710,954
Fire Red - 367,278
XD: Gale of Darkness - 336,022
Leaf Green - 334,834
Colosseum - 281,468
Ruby - 169,404
Sapphire - 156,590
Dash - 153,980
Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire - 74,687
Video Vol.1: Johto Photo Finish - 59,263
Video Vol.2: For Ho-oh the Bells Toll - 55,253
Video Vol.3: POKéMON, I Choose You! - 51,690
Video Vol.4: Beach Blank-Out Blastoise - 48,914
Channel - 22,158

Total sales dropped of by about 800k from 2004 which had the trio of Colo/Fr/Lg. Only Emerald sold spectactulary in 2005 so its amazing the dropoff wasn't larger. XD did well, however we'll never know its full sales potential due to the GC bundle. And odd note - Pinball R/S did slightly better then it did in 2004 due to the price drop.

Lifetime to Date:

Ruby - 2,442,142
Sapphire - 2,206,915
Emerald - 1,710,954
Fire Red - 1,637,676
Leaf Green - 1,431,867
Colosseum - 1,019,585
Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire - 540,646
XD: Gale of Darkness - 336,022
Video Vol.1: Johto Photo Finish - 193,187
Channel - 189,124
Video Vol.2: For Ho-oh the Bells Toll - 155,585
Dash - 153,980
Video Vol.3: POKéMON, I Choose You! - 90,205
Video Vol.4: Beach Blank-Out Blastoise - 75,836

(Seems my numbers still have a buncha minor differences from your own.)

Anyhow the people have spoken. Hoenn owns! Future benchmarks in the making:

Ruby - 2.5 million
Emerald - 2 million
Leaf Green - 1.5 million
XD: Gale of Darkness - 500k
Video 1 & Channel - 200k
Video 3 - 100k


Looking ahead to 2006, I expect things will drop even further. I never had high hopes for Trozei to begin with but now that it is launching around the same time as Tetris DS well...it'll bomba worse than even Dash. Spinoffs haven't been released in pairs before much less across two systems so who knows how the dungeon games will do. Hopefully poorly. I don't see Ranger setting sales ablaze either. No D/P until March of 2007 for the US is what'll likely happen so it looks to be a weak year for PKMN.
 

ioi

Banned
cvxfreak said:
She doesn't find them to be good games.

Well that's a shame. I've always heard great things about the Mysterious Dungeon games and they have always been big in Japan so I'm looking forward to playing my first.
 
Do you guys think Mario KArt DS could overtake Super Circuits outstanding US sales?

I know in Japan MK DS did it (and will become the 1st Japan million selling MK since MK64) and I think if it keeps selling as well as it has, it'll be there

And is it me, or is Pokemon Emerald on track to outsell Crystal in the US? That'd be awesome!
 

cvxfreak

Member
LanceStern said:
Do you guys think Mario KArt DS could overtake Super Circuits outstanding US sales?

I know in Japan MK DS did it (and will become the 1st Japan million selling MK since MK64) and I think if it keeps selling as well as it has, it'll be there

And is it me, or is Pokemon Emerald on track to outsell Crystal in the US? That'd be awesome!

I think MKDS might be able to break two million by the end of the DS' lifetime, maybe even more. Super Circuit has pretty much finished its selling run.

I think Pokemon Emerald may end up selling 2.5 Million in the long run, which would be behind Crystal's 2.6 Million total from May 2002.
 
AniHawk said:
Shoulda sold better. TSS had no TV campagin and it sold better. I'd love to see the FE franchise become popular enough for IS to experiment a bit more (VA, more cutscenes)

Perhaps it's the other way around. In order to make FE more popular it needs VA and more cutscenes.

I think the next console FE really needs to have more of a graphical kick to pull in the punters. It's almost embarassing how basic PoR looks.

And I hate to say it but the series might never become truly popular without changing some of the fundamental FE-ness of the gameplay, most notably permanent deaths.
 

gameboya

Member
according to GAF Nintendo is on it's way out.

but upon further review of the #'s, not a fucking chance in hell. Those #'s are SICK!
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Die Squirrel Die said:
Perhaps it's the other way around. In order to make FE more popular it needs VA and more cutscenes.

I think the next console FE really needs to have more of a graphical kick to pull in the punters. It's almost embarassing how basic PoR looks.

And I hate to say it but the series might never become truly popular without changing some of the fundamental FE-ness of the gameplay, most notably permanent deaths.

Even if they aren't selling several million copies, Fire Emblem games are still the most popular Strategy/Strategy RPG games on consoles and handhelds.
 

ethelred

Member
GaimeGuy said:
Even if they aren't selling several million copies, Fire Emblem games are still the most popular Strategy/Strategy RPG games on consoles and handhelds.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 653,919
Fire Emblem 392,183
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones 285,844


Not that I'm happy about that, mind you.
 
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