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Nioh 2 |OT| Yippee-Ki-Yokai (or Die HARD)

Punished Miku

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Man, this game is the most fun I've had all year easily. Can't put it down, already played 15 hours, and I never do that anymore.

I was dying literally 20x to the level 2 boss, and then it finally clicked. Now I can beat him without even getting hit practically. The bosses are just so well designed, that they seem utterly impossible, but once you truly master it, they're 100% fair.

The gameplay loop of 1) struggle, 2) careful exploration, 3) repetition and mastery, then 4) repeating it in coop for fun to help others is unmatched for me.
 

YukiOnna

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Man, this game is the most fun I've had all year easily. Can't put it down, already played 15 hours, and I never do that anymore.

I was dying literally 20x to the level 2 boss, and then it finally clicked. Now I can beat him without even getting hit practically. The bosses are just so well designed, that they seem utterly impossible, but once you truly master it, they're 100% fair.

The gameplay loop of 1) struggle, 2) careful exploration, 3) repetition and mastery, then 4) repeating it in coop for fun to help others is unmatched for me.

It's rewarding because I feel it pushes you more than the 1st one to get a hold of the core mechanics or you'll be punished dearly for it.
 

Shinra94

Neo Member
I'm using a 1440p with my monitor for PS4 gaming and currently just use a base unit. I have a new Pro from Christmas in the cupboard. Is there much point bringing it out for Nioh 2? Is there a 60fps mode you can enact on the base unit or do I need a Pro for that?

Thanks.
 
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SLoWMoTIoN

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I'm using a 1440p with my monitor for PS4 gaming and currently just use a base unit. I have a new Pro from Christmas in the cupboard. Is there much point bringing it out for Nioh 2? Is there a 60fps mode you can enact on the base unit or do I need a Pro for that?

Thanks.
Why are you not using your ps4 pro over the base one
 

NT80

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I'm having a lot of input lag and sometimes it completely ignores my button inputs.

Everything I've experienced up to this point is a significant step down from Nioh 1.

What an unbelievable disappointment so far.

And whomever came up with the idea that the altered world should significantly affect your stamina recovery even on perfect ki recovery should be fired.
I haven't noticed any input lag here or in the beta myself so far but apart from that why is it a step down and how far are you in?
 
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Carna

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So what from I gathered, high level visitors need to have completed the level in order to join.
 

Northeastmonk

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I’m on the 2nd boss. I haven’t had time to figure out the boss movements yet. Seems straightforward, but it’s so quick to meet an early death. About downed the boss and then get hit by something I didn’t see coming. I feel like the game allows you to slip up, but not a second time. You sorta have to figure things out before you get ganged up on.

I wanted to see how I’d pair with a visitor and that thing kept on spinning for a good 10 minutes.

This game is really kicking my ass. Anyone else keep hitting walls in this?

I hit a wall by not learning strategy. I also put more points in the Ki charge (Courage). I found a weapon that worked. I’m doing better, but I’ve died more than I thought.
 
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iiStryker

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I’m having an easier time of it after respecing.

i was trying to use heavy armor with switchglaive and it wasn’t working because come to find out the weapon has a natural synergy with light armor because of how scaling works in this game
 
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Kamina

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Some of the bosses are stupidly hard and have cheap killmoves that consume like 80%of your health.
Especially that
Yokai-dude you befriend a mission earlier, with his fucking Kusarigama hook move.
 
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Punished Miku

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I’m having an easier time of it after respecing.

i was trying to use heavy armor with switchglaive and it wasn’t working because come to find out the weapon has a natural synergy with light armor because of how scaling works in this game
This guy is putting out some early builds that are kinda useful to look into. Gives you an idea of how some people decide to stack points and complimentary skills.

 
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Shinra94

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Why are you not using your ps4 pro over the base one


I only play like 1 or 2 games a year on the PS4 and that base unit has been set up since 2014. Unless the game is going to be radically improved I don't see much point in unboxing the Pro and wearing it down for one game. The monitor isn't 4K either.

Original question remains: Is there a 60fps mode on the base?
 
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The Shepard

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Some tips for beginners who are struggling.

Level up whatever you think your player is struggling with, so if its ki regen, level up courage. And level up with whatever your favourite wepon is. Level up your character to suit your playstyle.

If your player is taking a beating and you have better equipment to equip but it makes you move to slow then level up your stamina, I tend to stay just below to 70% encumbrance so I can still move a decent speed, keep it in the green.

Summon the ai to take the aggro from yourself and use them as cannon fodder as most are useless. Attack the back whilst they attack the front. You can break down items for ochoko cups at the shrine or kill revnants.

Learn to ki pulse (R1) and at least learn all the running water skills in samurai, earth, man, heaven so when you dodge you ki pulse, dodge backwards at the end of your combo. I find this much easier to remember.

Get sloth as soon as you can and level up magic a bit, it slows down enemies and its great to use on bosses and harder mobs along with your guardian spirit (triangle, circle) always make sure that's full before a new boss fight.

Bosses tend to have an elemental weakness so add that to your blades, some weakness are very obvious. Can do some serious damage.

Try and get as many kodamas as you can whilst going through the levels, check your items for a kodama sensor and equip it if possible as these will put little green circles on your compass thing in top left of screen showing you there location. Or use guide. Then equip the healing blessing so you've always got a nice supply of elixers. Replay easier levels if your running low.

Change your stance based on enemy type, I use high stance for when I'm in tight spaces especially bridges you can fall from, mid stance most the time, and low stance for speedy enemies like the medusa snakes on 3rd story mission.

I use dual blades so windstorm is a must, can wipe out revnants easy just spamming this move just like the last game.

Kill revnants for the items they carry, especially ones higher level then yourself. This is how I get most my top gear. Same as last game.

Use your gun or bow before enemies notice you for some serious damage, can kill alot of things in one head shot and is great for taking out groups of enemies before they even notice your there. So stock up on arrows and bullets when you see a shrine.

Use R2 and circle whenever the bad guys turn red, if they hit you it's gonna hurt. Learn to time it right and you'll counter and do some serious damage to them.

If your having trouble with an enemie in the dark zone, try and get him to follow you to where it begins, back to the normal world, so your ki recharges quicker and lay into him, it'll respawn eventually with all the health you took off missing and give you a breather. Rinse and repeat.

And when you've done with a level, become a visitor and help another player out as much as possible. You can gain amrita without the worry of losing it when you die. And your helping a fellow gamer out in the process, win, win.
 
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Herr Edgy

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It's rewarding because I feel it pushes you more than the 1st one to get a hold of the core mechanics or you'll be punished dearly for it.
It does? Good to hear. I'm waiting for the PC version, but one thing about Nioh (1) that I disliked a bit is that it got much easier and more forgiving from alpha to beta to release. In the alpha I felt I needed to adapt to the mechanics and once I did, it was a very hard but extremely rewarding game. Then they changed the mechanics and mistakes weren't much of a deal anymore.

The level with Nue (4th boss I think) was teeming with probably three times as many enemies as well as three times the yokai mists that spawned one larger enemy and dispersed permanently once beaten. Navigation itself was plenty of fun because you had to plan your route to pull as few enemies as possible, as it was really easy to get into precarious situations if you failed executing your plan.
 

Punished Miku

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It does? Good to hear. I'm waiting for the PC version, but one thing about Nioh (1) that I disliked a bit is that it got much easier and more forgiving from alpha to beta to release. In the alpha I felt I needed to adapt to the mechanics and once I did, it was a very hard but extremely rewarding game. Then they changed the mechanics and mistakes weren't much of a deal anymore.

The level with Nue (4th boss I think) was teeming with probably three times as many enemies as well as three times the yokai mists that spawned one larger enemy and dispersed permanently once beaten. Navigation itself was plenty of fun because you had to plan your route to pull as few enemies as possible, as it was really easy to get into precarious situations if you failed executing your plan.
It's all about the new burst counter. Now basically every enemy has a one hit kill unblockable, and you have to counter it with a specific move. And they can do it twice in a row even, so you basically need to have that counter mastered or you wont get that far.
 

Kamina

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I only play like 1 or 2 games a year on the PS4 and that base unit has been set up since 2014. Unless the game is going to be radically improved I don't see much point in unboxing the Pro and wearing it down for one game. The monitor isn't 4K either.
Wird way of thinking, but to each their own.

Original question remains: Is there a 60fps mode on the base?
Yes, with drops to 720p
 

DrDamn

Member
Am having my ass handed to me but only just started. Question on Amrita gauge filling. I died at the first Yokai - after skirting round that big dude - and was trying to farm amrita to build up my gauge to help take it on again. It seems to crawl along though and multiple runs of taking out the little dudes up to that point were not even registering on the amrita gauge. I then discovered if I died and got back to my corpse I got a big gauge boost. So what gives?

Maybe related to large amrita gains affecting the gauge more - i.e. get back to corpse an pick up dropped amrita gives bigger boost than getting that same amount in dribs and drabs. Or maybe level related as I've gained a few levels now?
 

TheTurboFD

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Anyone feel like summoning help is pointless ? Summoned a few and they die 10 seconds into a boss fight.
 
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Clear

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Top tip: Nioh is not Souls, your gear/build is infinitely more important than your level. Trying to grind levels will get you nowhere unless you are working equally hard on improving your weapons and armor.

Its kinda sad, everyone is using switchglaive and early on its absolutely the single worst choice for how it synergizes with low-stats. It works great once you are good way into the Onmyo tech tree because you can abuse all the strong magics to cripple bosses and tough enemies. However. As those abilities take awhile to unlock. pouring points at the start into magic is not immediately helpful.

You get a book of reincarnation relatively early on, and you can redistribute skills freely, so doing a full respec is not something for endgame only.

Nioh2 is a tough game for sure, but you can mitigate a lot of the difficulty once you have a grasp of the ways in which its a whole other animal to FROM's titles.

Consider the following: You can lose all your Amrita by failing repeatedly and still progress because of the constant rain of items. Take the pieces you dont want and recycle them aggressively at the smithy, disassembly yields mats, mats are used for forging and most importantly tempering. Tempering good stats onto your armor and weapons will do wonders for your combat effectiveness.
 

Punished Miku

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Anyone feel like summoning help is pointless ? Summoned a few and they die 10 seconds into a boss fight.
Gotta summon me then lol.

But yeah, lots get killed. Even if all they do is hold block then can take the enemy's attention for a bit.
 

Kamina

Golden Boy
Anyone feel like summoning help is pointless ? Summoned a few and they die 10 seconds into a boss fight.
Just like Souls games then.
Some summons are good some are bad. Some cant be distinguished between a real perosn and an NPC.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
Can you even get Sloth before area 3? I’m on 2, about to fight the boss. I’m going to get some water talismans from the shrine.
 

iiStryker

Neo Member
This guy is putting out some early builds that are kinda useful to look into. Gives you an idea of how some people decide to stack points and complimentary skills.


That’s the build I was trying and it wasn’t really working for me. Switchglaive naturally synergizes with light armor and for me dodging for ki pulse allows me to keep the pressure on. Blocking seems counterintuitive to the way ki works.
 

The Shepard

Member
Mezuki absolutely destroyed me and I've pumped Onmyo up to 10 with no spells able to be learned yet!

Great start! :messenger_grinning_squinting:

Need to get the balance right. level up stamina, ki, ki regen and your wepon of choice so you can equip the best gear you can find, may need to add the odd point or 2 to strength but only do that when you need to. Soon as you can get sloth aim for that, makes things alot easier. I was level 10 magic at lv 55, 15 at 75.
 

Shinra94

Neo Member
Need to get the balance right. level up stamina, ki, ki regen and your wepon of choice so you can equip the best gear you can find, may need to add the odd point or 2 to strength but only do that when you need to. Soon as you can get sloth aim for that, makes things alot easier. I was level 10 magic at lv 55, 15 at 75.

It should all kick in again for me at some stage. I platted the first one. It's been a while though and I'm quite rusty. Was katana and kusarigama in the first game, but I'm trying odachi and dual katana now! I found the forest weasel and big snake in the demo a lot easier than this horse! :messenger_pouting:
 

The Shepard

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It should all kick in again for me at some stage. I platted the first one. It's been a while though and I'm quite rusty. Was katana and kusarigama in the first game, but I'm trying odachi and dual katana now! I found the forest weasel and big snake in the demo a lot easier than this horse! :messenger_pouting:

I felt like that at first, game kicked my ass and I completed the original and the dlc. Once it grabs you and you find your feet, the game becomes amazing. Just the start is alot harder then the first one. Dual swords are great, I'm really liking the speed of them in low stance and jumping over the enemies dodging there attacks.
 

Shinra94

Neo Member
I did the horse first time just then after powering up! Burst counter absolutely destroys him. :messenger_grinning_squinting: Anyone else using an odachi with no points in anything but Onmyo take note! Timing is fairly generous as I hit it every time. I was failing as I was playing with a get in for a few jabs and get space mentality. You gotta just smash him every time he flashes red. No rests!
 

Punished Miku

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I did the horse first time just then after powering up! Burst counter absolutely destroys him. :messenger_grinning_squinting: Anyone else using an odachi with no points in anything but Onmyo take note! Timing is fairly generous as I hit it every time. I was failing as I was playing with a get in for a few jabs and get space mentality. You gotta just smash him every time he flashes red. No rests!
The trick is that every burst counter is different too so it took me a bit.

Brute doesnt counter like Ninja Gaiden where it's a block. Instead you are using it to strike the enemy before they hit you with the burst move.

Phantom has a more traditional burst counter similar to a block, so the timing is different.

And feral has a dodge that counters if they hit the after image so the timing on that is the weirdest of all.

Which ever one you focus on, this is the most important new move in Nioh 2.
 
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Nixonomics

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What soul cores are you guys using? I think i've tried each one i've got out at least once - but nothing seems able to hold a candle to the sheer power of the giant snake that bounces off of walls. It seems almost busted when compared to all the other cores I've used. Just shreds boss's health bars if they're in a corner or against a wall. Assign a few lantern plant fruits to your quick bar and voila - easy mode enabled.
 

RiccochetJ

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I haven't noticed any input lag here or in the beta myself so far but apart from that why is it a step down and how far are you in?
Stamina management in this game is not fun. Especially when you hit the dark zones. Yes, I understand that I can leverage my Yokai abilities more in this state, but everything about stamina thus far annoys me. I've been pumping points into ki recovery when I don't want my build to do that.

I'm about to hit the third zone.


Yatsu-no-Kami has been a godsend for my build so far.


Trying to do a sword/magic build.

As for you not noticing input lag, maybe it's my controller. It came with the console. I definitely notice either it doesn't recognize my inputs, or it sometimes has it queued up so when I want to dodge, it wants to finish my combo first. Additionally, it rarely recognizes when I want to do a Yokai ability. I need to make sure that my trigger is fully pulled before it recognizes it. Not exactly good when I'm in a boss fight and have a moments notice to try to counter. I've been effectively one shot due to that because the stagger in this game is also annoying.
 

Northeastmonk

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What soul cores are you guys using? I think i've tried each one i've got out at least once - but nothing seems able to hold a candle to the sheer power of the giant snake that bounces off of walls. It seems almost busted when compared to all the other cores I've used. Just shreds boss's health bars if they're in a corner or against a wall. Assign a few lantern plant fruits to your quick bar and voila - easy mode enabled.
I’m using the Kodama Blessing for an extra % chance to get more. I’m battling those poison spitting snake women. It kinda scared me when that one lady jumps down on you in the small area within the cave

Im trying to see if the lightning switchglaive works for me. Otherwise I’ve just been using poison on human enemies.

Is it safe to say that a +4 in stat resistance (fire, lightning, poison, etc) is better than 0? Beginner type question, but if you have higher stat gear at 0 Resistance then does it even matter if you get to +4 or 5? I can see where +12 in fire resistance would help against an enemy using fire attacks. I’m getting my toughness pretty high, but I don’t have much for resistance against the elements except lightning.
 
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tassletine

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The game is superb. Does anyone know what the stat is for getting your beast back randomly after death. Is it luck?
I once had a piece of equipment that got it back about 1/10 of the time but I have no idea what that was, and googling wasn't a help.
 
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