Support NeoGAF

[Particle Physicist]

I despise Israel -- the state, the idea, the fiery consequence of its illegitimate existence -- but I don't hate Jews. Racism is silly. *shrug*

you hate the idea of a jewish state... but you dont hate jews?

Yes, 400 years of institutional oppression is child's play, compared to the grievous injustices visited upon those poor Jews.

...

slavery, spanish inquisition, crusades, holocaust, etc... .. im not downplaying the horrid injustices that happened to black people in america.. but i wouldnt downplay those that happened to the jews either.

 

[Papi]

Elaborate on "stupid". Nobody hates someone simply because they're "stupid"....there's more to it than that.

Oh, and they think they're superior. And they're fat. But we're fatties as well. Hmmm. Oh, and they're stupid.

 

[bishoptl]

And the Jews have had it FAR worse throughout history than other ethnic groups. Africans, while yes looked down on, haven't gone through 1/20th of the crap the Jews have put up with through the centuries.

In a forum filled chock to the brim with stupid posts, you just jumped to the head of the class. Congratulations.

 

[hippie]

In a forum filled chock to the brim with stupid posts, you just jumped to the head of the class. Congratulations.

Explain? Exploring history should show this to be exactly the case. If you take personal offense to it (I'm guessing you're black?) I do apologize.

 

[Mejilan]

Mejilan,

have you also witnessed illegal settlements backed by the govt, extra judicial house destruction etc.

There's a lot wrong with that conflict on both sides and merely re-inforces my view that religous states of whatever religion, i don't care which one u name, are dangerous and evil and generally break all the rules set down by that religion.

We're not discussing Israeli politics in this thread.

 

[bishoptl]

Apologize for what? Making an incredibly stupid, offensive post? Stick to your guns, at least - if you meant what you said.

 

[hippie]

Apologize for what? Making an incredibly stupid, offensive post? Stick to your guns, at least - if you meant what you said.

Well of course I meant what I said. And I do see how it could be offensive to some people, although I would argue it being "stupid". If you disagree, I would be more than willing to listen to your reasoning as to why, rather than just labeling it "stupid". My opinions are shaped by what I know and what I see and how I perceive things (like everybody elses)....so that's not saying that they are correct. If you can show me otherwise, my opinions will shape accordingly.

 

[Dilbert]

Well of course I meant what I said. And I do see how it could be offensive to some people, although I would argue it being "stupid". If you disagree, I would be more than willing to listen to your reasoning as to why, rather than just labeling it "stupid". My opinions are shaped by what I know and what I see and how I perceive things (like everybody elses)....so that's not saying that they are correct. If you can show me otherwise, my opinions will shape accordingly.

How about you stop making sweeping generalizations when you admit that your opinions are based on nothing more than your own narrow experience? In addition to sticking your foot in your mouth about black history, you fired off THIS in your very first post in this thread:

With regards to Americans, the world as a whole DOES hate Americans, unless they are taking your tourist dollars. They view us as ignorant and dangerous. Not just our government, our people as a whole.

I suppose you've lived in multiple countries and met millions of people, hmmm?

you hate the idea of a jewish state... but you dont hate jews?

Why do you think those two views are inconsistent? There is clearly a distinction to be made between Jewish people, and Jewish politics, including Zionism.

 

[peedi]

Explain? Exploring history should show this to be exactly the case. If you take personal offense to it (I'm guessing you're black?) I do apologize.

Yes, because only a black person would ascertain your posts to be the result of severe ignorance -- or, worse, racism.

10 million Africans died as a result of the Atlantic Slave Trade, a number dwarfing the supposed 6 million Jews that died under Hitler's regime.

Generations more subjected to gross inequities, denied equal protection under the law simply because of their skin color, oppression that resonates to this day in every facet of the black man's station.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Why do you think those two views are inconsistent? There is clearly a distinction to be made between Jewish people, and Jewish politics, including Zionism.

i dont..
but ive never seen him speak out against any other religious states.. so what is it about a jewish state that bothers him so? does he feel the same way about muslim or christian states?.. ive never seen him speak out against atrocities happening in other religious states (and they do happen).. so why is all the attention focused on this jewish state??

 

[hippie]

How about you stop making sweeping generalizations when you admit that your opinions are based on nothing more than your own narrow experience? In addition to sticking your foot in your mouth about black history, you fired off THIS in your very first post in this thread:

It can't be "sweeping generalizations" because I am not exposed to Jews on a regular basis. I'm basing it off my knowledge of Jewish history compared to African American history. No doubt Africans went through some shit, but it's getting better for them quickly. (opinion) Looking at all of history, African American history is but a blip. It's still recent, and therefore more sensitive to talk about, but looking back hundreds of years from now, assuming we still exist, it won't be a big deal.

I suppose you've lived in multiple countries and met millions of people, hmmm?

To answer your question, yes. I've lived in Sweden, Denmark, England, and Japan. I spent about a year in the Middle East. All this from highschool until I joined the Air Force. I have traveled and been exposed to MANY different people and cultures. If you are looking for foreigners opinions of you, you probably won't find it on this message board. Rest assured, though.....the world's opinion of you and I is far from favorable.

 

[hippie]

Yes, because only a black person would ascertain your posts to be the result of severe ignorance -- or, worse, racism.

10 million Africans died as a result of the Atlantic Slave Trade, a number dwarfing the supposed 6 million Jews that died under Hitler's regime.

Generations more subjected to gross inequities, denied equal protection under the law simply because of their skin color, oppression that resonates to this day in every facet of the black man's station.

I call BS. 15 million slaves total made it across during the trades. It's estimated that 20% of them died, most due to disease and such. (much like the native americans, smallpox was big). Again I am NOT DOWNPLAYING what happened here. We're talking about the systematic murder, in an attempt to wipe the Jewish "race" off the face of the earth. And the Halocaust was just one example of the crap they've gone through. Care to guess what the total casualties could reach if you factor in every outside force throughout history screwing with the Jews?

 

[bishoptl]

It can't be "sweeping generalizations" because I am not exposed to Jews on a regular basis. I'm basing it off my knowledge of Jewish history compared to African American history. No doubt Africans went through some shit, but it's getting better for them quickly. (opinion) Looking at all of history, African American history is but a blip. It's still recent, and therefore more sensitive to talk about, but looking back hundreds of years from now, assuming we still exist, it won't be a big deal.

Wow.

Setting aside your incredible ignorance for just one minute, let me tell you why it will still be a big deal for me and my descendants.

On my maternal grandfather's branch of the family tree, I can trace back my Scottish heritage nearly 14 generations. On the paternal side (almost strictly Jamaican)? 5, 6 tops...all of which end in a blur of "this property owned by ****" and go no further. And I'm one of the lucky ones - there are a massive number of Caribbean folks who can't go back as far as I've been able to, and millions more in the United States and Canada who will never be able to fully realize where they came from, thanks to the slave trade.

That's gone. And it's gone forever. As much as it pains me, it's even worse knowing that I can only pass on so much to my son about where he came from.

Never mind the pillage, plunder, exploitation and carving up of Africa over the centuries by European nations - the effects of which are still being felt today. "Go back to Africa"? I'd love to, at least to visit - if only I knew where my ancestral home was.

So when the time comes, I'll sit down with my son and tell him about Jamaica, and Scotland, and share with him everything I can. You can rest assured, however, that'll I'll also share with him the knowledge that he'll never be fully privy to, the reasons why, and the importance of keeping his head up regardless and staying proud of who he is.

And NOT taking any shit from ignorant fools like yourself.

 

[AntoneM]

upon further reading, I retract my statement.

 

[Particle Physicist]

On my maternal grandfather's branch of the family tree, I can trace back my Scottish heritage nearly 14 generations. On the paternal side (almost strictly Jamaican)? 5, 6 tops...all of which end in a blur of "this property owned by ****" and go no further. And I'm one of the lucky ones - there are a massive number of Caribbean folks who can't go back as far as I've been able to, and millions more in the United States and Canada who will never be able to fully realize where they came from, thanks to the slave trade.

i feel like this has become a sort of pissing contest... and im not saying one group has had it worse than another.. (im not going to get into that sort of debate). BUT. what you just said applies to most jews as well. both african-americans and jews have had their family histories erased due to the actions of others.

 

[bishoptl]

See, that's what I try to avoid. The whole "my people have suffered more than yours" doesn't get anybody anywhere...a large part of the reason why I didn't get into it with Alphasnake in an earlier thread where similar dismissive statements were made.

That said, hippie made the decision to take it there. And there he went.

 

[Particle Physicist]

See, that's what I try to avoid. The whole "my people have suffered more than yours" doesn't get anybody anywhere...a large part of the reason why I didn't get into it with Alphasnake in an earlier thread where similar dismissive statements were made.

That said, hippie made the decision to take it there. And there he went.

yeah... the truth is, we should be focussing on why the hell the white man feels the need to constantly fuck people of other races/ethnicities. damn white people.

 

[Loki]

yeah... the truth is, we should be focussing on why the hell the white man feels the need to constantly fuck people of other races/ethnicities. damn white people.

:lol

Yeah man! Kill whitey!

<runs and hides>

 

[Incognito]

The whiteman is trying to hold Barry Bonds down right now. I won't have it. I can't wait until he passes Ruth's mark of 714. Hopefully, he WALKS the bases. :lol :lol

 

[Mandark]

It's totally pointless to tally the suffering of religious and ethnic groups over the course of thousands and hundreds of years, as if it's something that could and should be weighed on a scale.

It's disingenuous and narcissistic to try to pass off the suffering of long-dead millions as your own.

It's disrespectful and petty to disparage the suffering of others to score points for your team.

It's ignorant to speak about such broad topics in conclusive terms, with so little knowledge.

 

[peedi]

i feel like this has become a sort of pissing contest... and im not saying one group has had it worse than another.. (im not going to get into that sort of debate). BUT. what you just said applies to most jews as well. both african-americans and jews have had their family histories erased due to the actions of others.

Jews don't live under a state that actively undermines their community's chances at betterment. Yes, in spite of this country's institutionalized racism, some blacks have succeeded, if barely. Though, in spite of the rare success story, this country continues to subjugate the descendants of the slaves within a system of institutionalized racial terror: Blacks are incarcerated at a disproportionate rate, stripping the community of its most vital resource -- the black man. Predominantly white neighborhoods enjoy funding of public education that grossly outweighs the emaciated coffers of our innercities. Blacks are regularly subjected to obscene caricatures in pop culture, warping the minds of our youths with the incessant peddling of black degeneracy (rap) and stupid, overpaid atheletes. African-Americans are second class citizens in America. Don't talk to me about any equivalency between their dire state and that of the Jews.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I don't know I've had experiences opposite to Papi but people seem more likely to hate Jews. I think it's because they have the misconception that the Jewish race is very insular and xenophobic- ie keeping money within it's own circles. Australians have a mixed relationship- there is a minority that hate Americans as a people. Then another section that have mixed feelings about the US (did not approve of Iraq but see us needing the US militarily and economically), then a smaller group who approve with 90% of what the US does.

 

[Che]

I usually don't hate the people I hate the goverments (although in Jesusland and Israel many people are fucking assholes who elect bloodthirsty bastards) And yes there are some people in Europe who hate Jews but not because they are Jews (like many americans think) but cos of the Palestinian oppression. And btw noone (except the usual rightwing extremist idiots) thinks that the Jewish genocide didn't happen. On the other hand and because it happened someone would expect better things from them and not monstrosities like Sabra and Satila and many many other acts of the Israeli goverments. Anyway that doesn't differ at all from the hate they have towards americans. And who do they hate the most? Definately americans.

 

[Che]

you hate the idea of a jewish state... but you dont hate jews?

Haha it's like saying that since I hate USA (there's no point of saying US goverment anymore since there hasn't been a single US gov for decades that didn't murder people for profit and that I actually liked) I hate americans. That's a big fat genaralization.

 

[Lyte Edge]

I'm just wondering why so many people refer to Jews as a RACE. It's my ethnicity. It's my religion. But it's not my skin color. There are Jews who are white, black, middle eastern, etc.

 

[Zaptruder]

Just as an aside...

how much more inoffensive do you guys percieve the terms

black skinned person vs black person

dark skinned person vs dark person

white skinned person vs white person

creamy light caramelicious person vs yellow person

?

 

[djtiesto]

I like Jewish girls.. Some of em are really hot and sweet - that's something I'm sure we can all agree on...

 

[mrklaw]

I don't hate Americans or Jews.

I hate the current American administration's foreign policy (even though I was happy to see Saddam go, and wish it had been done 12 years ago), Israel's policy of settlement, and the UNs inability to ratify and enforce something it agreed over palastine decades ago. I only hate these things because I'm sick of the shit...

I hate religious states. I hate the non democratic, human rights abusing world... I don't care if it's someone elses culture/way, if I find it fucking stupid I naturally think it should go. Freedom rules... on that point America, Fuck Yeah! Some products of freedom suck though: For instance, I hate vociferous self righteous hippy students.

What I hate most though are moths, flies and bees/wasps. I seriously wish someone would get rid of them... even if it kills all life on earth a lá The Twelve Monkeys, just fucking do it already.

Fucking hell, where do I send the cheques! Ten point for each paragraph.

 

[lexy]

I like Jewish girls.. Some of em are really hot and sweet - that's something I'm sure we can all agree on...

I dated two Jewish girls in high school. They were sisters

 

[Nerevar]

Never mind the pillage, plunder, exploitation and carving up of Africa over the centuries by European nations - the effects of which are still being felt today. "Go back to Africa"? I'd love to, at least to visit - if only I knew where my ancestral home was.

To be fair, the Europeans mostly served as enablers for different African tribes to carve eachother up throughout the region. Most slaves were not "caught" by Europeans, but were rather captured in warfare by various African tribes and bartered to Europeans for more guns (so they could capture more slaves ... you get the cycle). In truth, tribal warfare is and was what truly has wrecked Africa. Europeans setting up arbitrary boundries and attempting to get tribes with a history of centuries of warfare to coexist in peaceful democracies certailny didn't help, but don't fall into the trap that "Africa is all Europe and the white man's fault"

 

[MrPing1000]

well I hate Americans and I don't hate Jews, I don't hate all of you though, just your government and most of the bible belt, the coasts i like on the whole.

 

[Chipopo]

While hippie's posts could be construed as offensive and underthought, I don't see how it merits a ban. Hopefully it's not permanent.

 

[iapetus]

Sucks to be a black American Jew.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Haha it's like saying that since I hate USA (there's no point of saying US goverment anymore since there hasn't been a single US gov for decades that didn't murder people for profit and that I actually liked) I hate americans. That's a big fat genaralization.

would you say that you hate democratic states? he didnt say he hated religious states.. he also didnt say he hated israel's governmental policies. he specified a jewish state. not just a jewish state. but the Idea of a jewish state... there is a huge difference.

Blacks are regularly subjected to obscene caricatures in pop culture, warping the minds of our youths with the incessant peddling of black degeneracy (rap) and stupid, overpaid atheletes.

uh-oh. :x

On the other hand and because it happened someone would expect better things from them and not monstrosities like Sabra and Satila

what gets me about sabra and shatila is that people seem to forget that it was the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia that massacred those people. yes, the israeli army did allow them to enter the camps.. and im not saying the israeli army was completely innocent, but dont forget about the lebanese.

quick fact:: did you know that after the killings 300,000 Israelis demonstrated in Israel to protest the killings, yet there little or no reaction occurred in the Arab world. ..

 

[King Jippo]

Just in case some of you missed the only intelliegent post found in this thread.

It's totally pointless to tally the suffering of religious and ethnic groups over the course of thousands and hundreds of years, as if it's something that could and should be weighed on a scale.

It's disingenuous and narcissistic to try to pass off the suffering of long-dead millions as your own.

It's disrespectful and petty to disparage the suffering of others to score points for your team.

It's ignorant to speak about such broad topics in conclusive terms, with so little knowledge.

 

[Shadax]

Just in case some of you missed the only intelliegent post found in this thread.

Totally off-topic, but is your nickname from the book "The Informer"?

 

[KarishBHR]

Jews don't live under a state that actively undermines their community's chances at betterment. Yes, in spite of this country's institutionalized racism, some blacks have succeeded, if barely. Though, in spite of the rare success story, this country continues to subjugate the descendants of the slaves within a system of institutionalized racial terror: Blacks are incarcerated at a disproportionate rate, stripping the community of its most vital resource -- the black man. Predominantly white neighborhoods enjoy funding of public education that grossly outweighs the emaciated coffers of our innercities. Blacks are regularly subjected to obscene caricatures in pop culture, warping the minds of our youths with the incessant peddling of black degeneracy (rap) and stupid, overpaid atheletes. African-Americans are second class citizens in America. Don't talk to me about any equivalency between their dire state and that of the Jews.

Holy shit... I cant wait till I have time to add my large bit to this convo (Im in Israel as we speak). But let me tell you, even as a Jew, the Israeli government opresses roughly 20% of its population every day (Palestinians)... so umm, the basis for this statement appears wrong

 

[King Jippo]

Sorry, I am not familiar with that book.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

To be fair, the Europeans mostly served as enablers for different African tribes to carve eachother up throughout the region. Most slaves were not "caught" by Europeans, but were rather captured in warfare by various African tribes and bartered to Europeans for more guns (so they could capture more slaves ... you get the cycle). In truth, tribal warfare is and was what truly has wrecked Africa. Europeans setting up arbitrary boundries and attempting to get tribes with a history of centuries of warfare to coexist in peaceful democracies certailny didn't help, but don't fall into the trap that "Africa is all Europe and the white man's fault"

Wow thats the funniest thing i've heard yet. Make no mistake africa having insane amounts of resources and riches that European nations wanted screwed africa. How do you think these "borders" that were set up were inforced? Negotiating? Why were they colonies then? Same reason india was they had something another country needed, are you kidding me! You think england , france, germany, etc fucked over china for years because they just wanted a piece of the pie? HA they could take the whole damn thing why bother bartering when you could take it all?

I cant believe you think that the state of africa NOW isnt the fault of european powers. Are you SERIOUS where do you think that big pile of no resource having continent gets its resources? There was plenty of slavery in africa, half of those countries werent even independent till the 1900's ...colonies in the 20th century!

You're explanation for this is waring tribes that had some guns? wtf that is seriously screwed up, they were fine thousands of years before that, guess it all came to a head when europeans showed up. The same europeans that took all the best land, killed all the people of influence, and somehow carved up the continent through this magic bartering system you speak of, get a clue. Does this even FIT the fucking pattern with all the other non european countries that were colonized during europes dominance, seriously does this sound like what happened in the US, South America, Central America, India, the far east, China???? Because with your most slaves werent captured bullshit your basically spitting in the face of authors that were "taken" to america learned english and chronicled their story.

 

[Nerevar]

You're explanation for this is waring tribes that had some guns? wtf that is seriously screwed up, they were fine thousands of years before that, guess it all came to a head when europeans showed up. The same europeans that took all the best land, killed all the people of influence, and somehow carved up the continent through this magic bartering system you speak of, get a clue. Does this even FIT the fucking pattern with all the other non european countries that were colonized during europes dominance, seriously does this sound like what happened in the US, South America, Central America, India, the far east, China???? Because with your most slaves werent captured bullshit your basically spitting in the face of authors that were "taken" to america learned english and chronicled their story.

The bolded point belies your ignorance of the situation. Africa has always been made up of tribes, and tribes (much like European nations) frequently are at war with one another. Most slaves were taken by African chiefs and sold to Europeans. Accept that and don't get all pissy about it. I acknowledged that much of the problem in modern day Africa is the system whereby Europeans created imaginary "borders" and then asked tribes that had been at war for centuries to create a peaceful democracy, but that doesn't change the fact that it was mostly Africans killing other Africans (Hutus and tutsis, for example? The African civil war in the Congo? There area a million other examples). Please, educate yourself before you spout such mindless drivel. As stated in my previous point, I'm not denying that Europeans took advantage of Africans, but claiming that Africa's problems today are solely a result of Europeans and white settlers is ignorant.


Here's a resource for you:

From about.com's African history section

Between 1450 and the end of the nineteenth century, slaves were obtained from along the west coast of Africa with the full and active co-operation of African kings and merchants. (There were occasional military campaigns organised by Europeans to capture slaves, especially by the Portuguese in what is now Angola, but this accounts for only a small percentage of the total.) In return, the African kings and merchants received various trade goods including beads, cowrie shells (used as money), textiles, brandy, horses, and perhaps most importantly, guns. The guns were used to help expand empires and obtain more slaves, until they were finally used against the European colonisers. The export of trade goods from Europe to Africa forms the first side of the triangular trade.

Next time do a little research before you come in here and get all pissy and start posting factual inaccuracies.

Edit: Bolded for your help

 

[Azih]

Though er y'know a fair bit of the Hutu/Tutsi problem came about because the French (or whoever the colonial power was) put the lighter skinned sharp featured Tutsis in positions of prominence over the I guess more tribal looking Hutus.

Are all the bad things in Africa Europe's fault? I think that's hard to argue. Was the situation made much much worse by them and did they utterly fail in their position as the most powerful force on the continet for a good few centuries? Oh yes.

 

[Nerevar]

Are all the bad things in Africa Europe's fault? I think that's hard to argue. Was the situation made much much worse by them and did they utterly fail in their position as the most powerful force on the continet for a good few centuries? Oh yes.

I agree with this. I just think there's a popular misconception that all of Africa's problems are the fault of European settlers. That's like blaming the conflict between India and Pakistan on the Europeans as well - just because the region was ruled by Britian for many years doesn't change the fact that Muslims and Hindus were at war for centuries before the British showed up. The Brits just gave them guns and left without any sort of power structure in place, virtually guaranteeing some form of massacre and warfare. The situation is virtually the same in most of Africa.

 

[WARCOCK]

Wait im starting to get confused, do you mean 3 out of 4 people believe the holocaust did not occur, or 3 out of 4 people do not agree to let the jews do whatever the fuck they want because they feel so so sorry about the holocaust.

 

[Che]

what gets me about sabra and shatila is that people seem to forget that it was the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia that massacred those people. yes, the israeli army did allow them to enter the camps.. and im not saying the israeli army was completely innocent, but dont forget about the lebanese.

quick fact:: did you know that after the killings 300,000 Israelis demonstrated in Israel to protest the killings, yet there little or no reaction occurred in the Arab world. ..

Did you know that the Israeli army sealed the exits so that the massacre would be more efficient? Did you know that the murderer who organized the whole thing was Ariel Sharon (Prime minister of Israel now)? How the hell do they expect from the Palestinians to negotiate with this monster? He's the true terrorist not the Palestinians. At least the Palestinians haven't massacred 3,500 people in one single day. And of course many Isrealis would protest, I never said all Israelis are idiots like I'm not saying all Americans are idiots. I hate generalizations (well I almost hate them since I have many wonderful generalizations to say about the Republicans -and trust me they deserve it).

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I never said they didnt have war, what continent didnt have war? The problem that put africa in its situation TODAY is the fact that european powers came and dominated the continent, and took over though. They grouped different ethnic groups together that were at war and when they left what did anyone expect to happen. Gee I wonder how they did this? Clever words perhaps? Im GUESSING force. The exportation of slaves wasnt the only thing Europe did to the continent plenty of africans were needed in africa to harvest what they had there as well. Similar to when the USSR fell and then Yugoslavia was no more. Security vaccum ahoy.

And i really shouldn't say that european countries LEFT africa they still operate because of africa, and they profit from african civil war. France gets all its uranium from africa, last time i checked angola should probably be the richest per capita country in the world with its oil, gold, diamond and other rich reserves. The ivory coast should be ROLLIN in the money oil, gold, diamonds, 70 percent of the worlds cocoa. And yet antwerp is considered the worlds diamond capital gee where did they get those...? How did they set up a trade where most of the worlds diamonds pass thru that city hrmmm?

Saying that africans killed each other before europeans showed isnt news to anyone. The fact that Pow's were sold AT first doesnt change the fact that europeans came to that continent and ruled over it and carved it up due to the riches it held. Im sorry was there a simulation that shows how africa would be now if europeans DIDNT colonize the continent, oh thats right there isnt theres just the result of years of dominance by european powers and its aftermath. Dont get it twisted, I know they didnt start the conflicts, but they did come and make colonies, and subject its inhabitants to injustice. I know african pow's were sold just like rome sold theirs for example, is this supposed to be the special reason why all of a sudden the whole continent was a playground for european countries? They did mold africa to what it is today by force, and they still farm that place like a rare spawn in an mmorpg with little to no benefit to its inhabitants.

Obviously europe didnt cause ALL the problems in africa like for instance many of the power struggles and civil wars. But when you go into a country and fuck over its inhabitants and make them live in squaller for years then leave..the people are still in a shitty situation due to the years of treatment they received.

 

[Matlock]

Sucks to be a black American Jew.

"Damn straight."

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Yeah I saw that piece on ESPN about how reggie white was going to isreal to learn more about hte old testament and judiasm. Man he got aliented by his so called church going brothers like he robbed the 12 apostles or something.

 

[enjoy bell woods]

Wait im starting to get confused, do you mean 3 out of 4 people believe the holocaust did not occur, or 3 out of 4 people do not agree to let the jews do whatever the fuck they want because they feel so so sorry about the holocaust.

Oh, do Jews demand to be able to do whatever they want?

 

[WARCOCK]

Well when all or most of the international community condemns certain of Isreal's actions except the United States. In my opinion, it borders "whatever they want".

 

[Jacobi]

WTF I don't hate any of them. But I think other people hate Americans more than Jews because they get all the Anti-Bush-thing wrong.