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NPD Sales Results for March 2009
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Bill_the_Butcher
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Sucks about Madworld. I guess that means more Carnival Games for everyone.Kifimbo said:
Magicpaint
Member
I'm honestly no longer convinced that CW will have legs. I hope I'll be wrong but these low figures just kill any hope I had for it in the first place.
What is so great about WaW sales on Wii? The PS3 version sold more, and that system has under half the userbase. The 360 version destroyed the Wii version in sales.
The Wii is the system pulling away now with hardware sales. So WaW should be pulling in near 360 numbers on the Wii. It isn't close.
Find a new hobby?
The Wii is the system pulling away now with hardware sales. So WaW should be pulling in near 360 numbers on the Wii. It isn't close.
Threi said:
Find a new hobby?
YoungHav said:
The whole one game will save the system came from mosly ps3 fans. Every game hyped up was like ''its going to convert people to the ps3'',''X game will have legs'', ''When X game comes out it will justify the ps3''. People are just poking fun at the whole spinning around those ''arguments''. Its kinda sad that people not are claiming the whole ''360 trolls'' argument, just to make them look like the victim.
Kifimbo said:
MadWorld was confirmed by Gamasutra this morning to be 66k
Well for starters the game was undershipped in its opening month and then not advertised till December. Once it started to advertise it stayed on the charts.
Nobody is expecting it to be near the 360 in sales, that has become COD home but when you manage to sell almost 1m in 3 months on a console which has been repeatedly claimed to be unable to sell these type of games it voids the argument.
I love how the goal posts continue to be moved, before it was "game x cant be done" then "game x cant sell" then "game x did not sell fast enough" and now "game x barely sells in comparison"
Mrbob said:
COD is pretty much like GH at this point, it has such broad name brand awareness and casual appeal. I think the brand familiarity is the main reason it sold on the Wii. That combined with a holiday release encouraged its purchase for gift-giving, etc.. I don't think it says much about the broader health of FPS on Wii.
Plus.....have you seen Conduit box art?
Threi said:
Didn't somebody start a thread a few months ago claiming there wasn't a single game on any platform they were interested in for the last two years? Apparently there are still some under served demographics out there. :lol
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Cygnus X-1 said:
More like Nintendo didn't have Super Smash Bros. Brawl to oomph sales this year.
John Harker said:
Do you really want a recap of all the incredibly stupidity? Really? Okay.
Idiots
- It doesn't matter what sega says the game is a bomb because I say so
- Madworld and CS are really 360 games that were put on the wrong console
- Port both games to xbl/psn for $10
- I hated the games on Nintendo systems but I'd love to play them on 360 or PS3
- Wii doesn't have the 15-35 demographic
- Madworld proves that Wii can't sell hardcore games
- GTA should have sold millions because its GTA
- The games won't have legs because I say so!
- Wii is kiddie
- Wii sucks
(- WaW Wii sales don't count)
(- Killzone 2 bombed)
Intelligent people
- A game's success is determined by the devs/pubs not idiots on a forum
- Madworld is niche, ultra violent and black n white
- TV commercials can't accurately portray what Madworld is really about
- GTA is a 2D top-down game and that is not what made the GTA brand popular
- Both games released alongside RE5 which undoubtedly snagged most of the attention
- Wii games have legs and things may change in a couple of months
- Madworld numbers do not nullify the great sales of RE4, UC, WaW and NMH, etc
- Advertising for GTA was ultra weak compared to its 3D brethren
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
well i guess that pretty much eliminates any possibility of capcom doing something drastically different with the next RESIDENT EVIL.
I'm not necessarily talking strictly fps, but a whole genre of games Nintendo fans want on Wii. Things like Infamous, Uncharted, Tomb Raider, Ratchet, Crackdown, Mass Effect, etc.
The CoD franchise has insane pull, and the Wii version just went over 500k in sales on that massively expanding userbase? This doesn't bode well for other companies who have less recognizable ips.
The Wii sells for what it is. And it is doing massive sales. But the games above are not the reason it is selling. I'd love to see some of the more talented Western devs get ahold of the Wii and see what they can do with the controller. I don't want it to happen at the expense of the game not selling. I have a feeling we will have to wait for the next MS console to see this occur.
Also, I wouldn't really equate GH with CoD. GH has a bigger casual appeal.
The CoD franchise has insane pull, and the Wii version just went over 500k in sales on that massively expanding userbase? This doesn't bode well for other companies who have less recognizable ips.
The Wii sells for what it is. And it is doing massive sales. But the games above are not the reason it is selling. I'd love to see some of the more talented Western devs get ahold of the Wii and see what they can do with the controller. I don't want it to happen at the expense of the game not selling. I have a feeling we will have to wait for the next MS console to see this occur.
Also, I wouldn't really equate GH with CoD. GH has a bigger casual appeal.
Mrbob said:
Thats the only thing in your statement I can agree on.
The reason its selling is other high quality AAA games like Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit (despite the naysayers) and in the past games such as GHWT, Mario Galaxy, Shaun White and REUC.
NPD charts show that when developers try and make a game from the ground up on the Wii or at least put care into the Wii's version they are rewarded (see leaked numbers from last month that prove this when speaking of SW Force Unleashed, Tiger Woods, and Sonic Unleashed which all either outsold or sold VERY close to their 360 counterparts)
*straggles into NPD thread way late*
People are so quick to blame GTA's crappy sales solely on the DS, but there is another factor at play here. Chinatown Wars, with its aerial perspective, is a lot closer to GTA and GTA II than, say, GTA III and IV (even if it does include some features of the more modern GTAs). The last time they tried to go to a style that was unlike III+ was GTA Advance, and that didn't sell well either. Simply put, a lot of the gaming audience just doesn't remember pre-III Grand Theft Auto, and the series, while successful, was never the monster before GTA III that it is now, and the style of play is a major factor in that.
That's not to say the platform isn't a factor. Neither the GBA or DS audiences are likely to go for a GTA game the way console and PSP audiences would, that's definitely clear. But to completely ignore the gameplay decisions (even if the gameplay is critically lauded) while assessing its performance and focus solely on userbase demographics seems a little narrowminded.
That, and it probably will have some legs over time. It'll probably do decently well in April with the DSi launching (which will sell to older and more tech savvy players first before it trickles down to the kids), and it will be hanging around in the holidays.
Still a very bad result, though. Considering the professional predictions being made, shipments must have been waaaaaaaaaay higher than sales. No matter how you slice it, that's a bomba launch month. Hopefully those legs will eventually make up for it.
Once again, Killzone proves to simply be a respectable hit rather than the uber-franchise Sony would like it to be. And MadWorld's numbers don't surprise me in the slightest. I would have predicted about 60-80k coming in, so <70k seems pretty on point. Hopefully Sega had similar expectations.
Oh, and wow @ Resident Evil 5. That honestly does surprise me. Not that I didn't think it would do well, but I really thought Pokemon was a guaranteed number 1 this month. Good show, Capcom. Between SFIV on the Feb. charts and RE5 in March, you're kicking some ass so far in 2009.
People are so quick to blame GTA's crappy sales solely on the DS, but there is another factor at play here. Chinatown Wars, with its aerial perspective, is a lot closer to GTA and GTA II than, say, GTA III and IV (even if it does include some features of the more modern GTAs). The last time they tried to go to a style that was unlike III+ was GTA Advance, and that didn't sell well either. Simply put, a lot of the gaming audience just doesn't remember pre-III Grand Theft Auto, and the series, while successful, was never the monster before GTA III that it is now, and the style of play is a major factor in that.
That's not to say the platform isn't a factor. Neither the GBA or DS audiences are likely to go for a GTA game the way console and PSP audiences would, that's definitely clear. But to completely ignore the gameplay decisions (even if the gameplay is critically lauded) while assessing its performance and focus solely on userbase demographics seems a little narrowminded.
That, and it probably will have some legs over time. It'll probably do decently well in April with the DSi launching (which will sell to older and more tech savvy players first before it trickles down to the kids), and it will be hanging around in the holidays.
Still a very bad result, though. Considering the professional predictions being made, shipments must have been waaaaaaaaaay higher than sales. No matter how you slice it, that's a bomba launch month. Hopefully those legs will eventually make up for it.
Once again, Killzone proves to simply be a respectable hit rather than the uber-franchise Sony would like it to be. And MadWorld's numbers don't surprise me in the slightest. I would have predicted about 60-80k coming in, so <70k seems pretty on point. Hopefully Sega had similar expectations.
Oh, and wow @ Resident Evil 5. That honestly does surprise me. Not that I didn't think it would do well, but I really thought Pokemon was a guaranteed number 1 this month. Good show, Capcom. Between SFIV on the Feb. charts and RE5 in March, you're kicking some ass so far in 2009.
Beer Monkey
Member
Scrubking said:
I don't agree with any of that. I just want Sega to make money, because I love Sega and a healthy Sega is a productive Sega. If Madworld loses money as a Wii exclusive, I'd love to see them port it to whatever other platforms will help it to make money. There's nothing about Madworld's play mechanics that make it a bad candidate for porting.
Boom Blox debuted with a lower first NPD and has now sold, what 700k?
Terrible numbers for CW though. It's strange cause there aren't even that many copies left around Ottawa. And at Walmart in particular, when it came out, it only had 3 game slots of a 4 rack DS section and was at the bottom. Wtf? Oh well, I did my part and bought both it and MadWorld.
Terrible numbers for CW though. It's strange cause there aren't even that many copies left around Ottawa. And at Walmart in particular, when it came out, it only had 3 game slots of a 4 rack DS section and was at the bottom. Wtf? Oh well, I did my part and bought both it and MadWorld.
Because to lots of people, Animal Crossing is the most boring game ever made. There is no instant gratification at all, something that casuals and "hardcore" (stupid words) alike crave or else they tire easily. Especially in a rapidly ADHD population.Suburban Cowboy said:
Yea this is one PR tactic that seems to actually be able to workOpiate said:
Probably, considering the whole point of the Conduit is the POINTER controlsTheGreatDave said:
It was only out for TWO DAYS in february :|chris0701 said:
pizzaguysrevenge
Banned
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lolScrubking said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
Alternatively, they can just continue making money with, you know, other games.beermonkey@tehbias said:
They have a Winter Olympics game they're developing that will in fact do just that!
So rather than work on porting a game to a system where it will still be niche, in a niche genre, with graphics that turn most people off, they can release a sequel to a game that sold six million copies.
That seems like the better idea.
Perhaps, but it's far more amplified for this platform in particular since there are so few success stories and the fanboys are particularly sensitive to the "3rd party games do poorly on Wii" talking point. RE4:Wii Edition was like 2 years ago and it's still being trotted out as an example of 3rd party success.markatisu said:
Yeah, let's blame Resident Evil for the poor sales of games on 2 entirely different platforms! Oh, and don't forget Halo Wars launched too, so subtract another 100K MadWorld sales. And a lot of people went to see the Watchmen movie instead of buying Chinatown Wars, so that's another mitigating factor.....lawblob said:
Bill_the_Butcher
Member
MetatronM said:
I don't think you can write the book on it after a little over 1 month in sales. It will have a surge if the PS3 has a price cut at e3. It will have another surge around the holidays (that's when I'm getting it). It will always have good word of mouth. By the end of the PS3 it could very well be a top 10 PS3 game is terms of sales. 1 million in a little over a month is not terrible. I think respectable hit is a good label for now, but it will still sell a lot more copies.
pizzaguysrevenge
Banned
You're forgetting the main distraction! It's spring time! Love is in the air!border said:
Who has time to go out and buy MadWorld with all this love in the air?
shadowsdarknes
Member
Scrubking said:
RTS games didn't make Halo popular but look at that game. 600 freakin K.
No, the true measure of success is having an office party. NMH? Office party, thus success. Halo Wars? Ensemble gone, failure.border said:
Also March is seeing some bleed off from the post-New Years gym membership explosion as people stop going to gyms, but since people will still half-heartedly (and half-wittedly) trying to be get in shape, I suspect Wii Fit and that cheap knockoff that sold over 100k last month probably ate some of Madworld's sales, too, since there isn't much fitness in Madworld.
Even if this were really the case, it still is bad news for Wii-exclusive "core" games because it means that your audience is heavily shared with the PS360 and anything more appealing on those consoles (and maybe PC but we don't have numbers) will suck away all of your Wii sales. You're basically forced to release in May and early July to avoid major PS360 titles.
BishopLamont
Banned
Damn someone serve me a plate of crow for KZ2. NPD just completely sent my predictions down the shitter for hardware sales.
:lol @ GAF calling GTA:CW and MadWorld bombas already, seems like everyone keeps forgetting how Wii/DS games sell every time.
:lol @ GAF calling GTA:CW and MadWorld bombas already, seems like everyone keeps forgetting how Wii/DS games sell every time.
border said:
Well you said it right there, there are few BIG success stories (you act like 2 games in 3 years have sold well) because there are so few high quality 3rd party games out. We do not need a list war but off the top of my head I cannot think of even a handful that "failed", almost all mid-high budget Wii games sell well (GHWT, De Blob, Rock Band, Rock Band 2, REUC, Shaun White Snowboarding, All 3 Lego Games, Force Unleashed, Sonic Unleashed, etc)
RE4 Wii gets trotted out because its a port of a game that has been done numerous times now and should in no way have sold the almost 1.5m it has again
It also gets trotted out because to date we will do not have anything on the platform that is like RE4, the closest thing was Dead Rising CTYD which anyone trying to argue they are the same quality or had the same budget is high on drugs.
Haunted
Member
Late to this one.
wow
RE5 360 (huge number, but I need previous RE NPD numbers for comparison)
Halo brand (the franchise will be expanded)
Madworld (Platinum Games continue their "great-games-that-don't-sell" routine)
Chinatown Wars (here's hoping it'll have legs like other DS games showed)
Killzone (biggest hyped release of the year (your words, not mine) should have better legs)
lol
PS3 (salutes)
wow
RE5 360 (huge number, but I need previous RE NPD numbers for comparison)
Halo brand (the franchise will be expanded)
Madworld (Platinum Games continue their "great-games-that-don't-sell" routine)
Chinatown Wars (here's hoping it'll have legs like other DS games showed)
Killzone (biggest hyped release of the year (your words, not mine) should have better legs)
lol
PS3 (salutes)
Beer Monkey
Member
ShockingAlberto said:
Doesn't sound like an either/or proposition to me. Not from a finance perspective and certainly not from a development team(s) perspective.
Sega has stated they would like to see Madworld become a franchise. There's a way they have a chance to do that. If you think they shouldn't want to see it become a franchise, tell them, not me.
I think you are selling the game way short when you assume it couldn't sell better on other platforms. This political correctness about not "bashing" the Wii has gotten way out of hand. The fact is the consumer demographics are not identical across all the systems. That's not a criticism.
I don't have a clue how you get these numbers, but if you say so.lawblob said:
Regardless, the game sold very poorly, whatever the reasons may be. I hope it has some legs and manages to make a little profit, for the benefit of Platinum Games for delivering such a fine game, and for Sega for taking a risk on the Wii.