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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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Obliterator
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Sony. Marketing deals are hard contracts
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Btw what are the expectations on Youkai Watch sales in the US next month?
Actually EA would own the rights to Battlefront in that case, so if they sold the rights of exclusive Marketing to Sony, they would have to act to protect their agreement, otherwise Sony could go after EA for breach of contract for allowing someone else to use their property (afaik).
FranXico
Member
Sony probably hesitates in doing so, under risk of losing future deals with EA.
Based on the fact that it's getting a fair amount of marketing, is a kids game during a holiday with little competition other than Disney Infinity and old games, is similar to Pokemon, and my own gut that means absolutely nothing, I'm going to aim high and say 300K. That would be a great debut for a new 3DS IP.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
It's disputable in a bunch of different ways. Specifically, I'd like to know 1) if kids these days are less likely to own/play consoles than in the past and 2) what past we're comparing the present to.
It doesn't follow from the fact that kids these days play mobile games that they're less likely to play console games. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Do you have any inkling of Splatoon's LTD?
I know you don't give out numbers though
CosmicQueso
Member
"Inkling". Nice. +100 points.
Saw some numbers floating around here earlier in the thread
Hehe.
Hm, floating around in the thread.
Well...who's the Splatoon expert on GAF...
I guess I'll go with this post
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185729276&postcount=6187
I'd say whatever Fantasy Life did + 50k. It hit surprisingly quiet. Using my children as a barometer, of which they and their friends are HUGE Pokemon fans, there's little interest of, or even awareness about, Yo-kai Watch. And that's having a Disney XD series.
CosmicQueso
Member
Does this confirmed Splatoon is at 700k by end of October?
Pls, i wanna a reply.
Sorry, I can't confirm. I hear it has good legs though.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
It might benefit from the 2DS bundle for what it's worth. If I'm not mistaken, it's the default 2DS bundle right?
Edit: Seems like the console war on here has died down a bit? Cool. Now time for more puns starring a squid/kid and a cheese astronaut.
I would have but its not allowed since the numbers are from insiders. I definitely think they deserve a thread though. Just can't make one unless we get an official source of some sort which isnt likely to happen at this point.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
i wanna guess 200-300k maybe even lower to 150k
Exactly, even look on forums and general public. I'm sure there are thousands of people who thought / think battlefront and destiny are exclusive to playstation.
It's naive to think marketing doesn't work
Thanks, creamsugar! You always rock!
On Dragon Quest, I am so hyped for DQVII and DQVIII next year on 3DS. I know I'm in the extreme minority of the general public (e.g. DQH), but I'm still so looking forward to them! Really hope DQXI makes it to the West on 3DS, too!
Lastly, anyone want to give a bone for 3DS? 120K-130K range work? Too high?
Thanks all for a fun to read NPD thread! The results definitely haven't lived up to anyone's hopes, but that's somehow led to better discussion, I think. Nice stuff!
On Dragon Quest, I am so hyped for DQVII and DQVIII next year on 3DS. I know I'm in the extreme minority of the general public (e.g. DQH), but I'm still so looking forward to them! Really hope DQXI makes it to the West on 3DS, too!
Lastly, anyone want to give a bone for 3DS? 120K-130K range work? Too high?
Thanks all for a fun to read NPD thread! The results definitely haven't lived up to anyone's hopes, but that's somehow led to better discussion, I think. Nice stuff!
My expectation is 100k and I think that's on the high end side.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
seems kinda low honestly, nintendo is kinda advertising it, i saw a couple of commercials on tv on family friendly networks
Woah, this means that more than half the sales for ToZ were on Steam.
Why do people think US (NPD) = World?
Just got back from working the late night launch for Battlefront.
Nothing too major as its really cold here and raining so a disappointing crowd. I don't work again till Friday night so we'll see how it does.
Sold 36 copies, 23 for PS4, 12 for XB1 and 1 for PC. Sold 4 of the Darth Vader PS4's (3 reserved and 1 walk in).
Nothing too major as its really cold here and raining so a disappointing crowd. I don't work again till Friday night so we'll see how it does.
Sold 36 copies, 23 for PS4, 12 for XB1 and 1 for PC. Sold 4 of the Darth Vader PS4's (3 reserved and 1 walk in).
BO3-5million
Fallout-4.5 million
BF-3 million.
Hey I bought one of those Vader LE's. Looks really good too. Saw a bunch of people picking up the console as well.
Hopefully Abdiel makes a stop by here sometime tomorrow.
Amazon sales rankings for October was close... but so far PS4 has a very healthy lead in November [and additionally, sales of Battlefront bundle were very strong in Sept and Oct].
All who expect Sony victory in November have "hard data" to back them up. Sure, we cannot know what will BF bring, but this year PS4 and Xbone are selling without any price difference.
Well, the midnight launch I worked went pretty well. A good number of people showed up. A not-unsubstantial number of them seemed rather aware that Battlefront doesn't have the best reception right now, and I had a nice conversation with someone about what that might mean going forward.
Do you think it will affect sales? I get the impression the masses who adore Star Wars won't care about reviews in the slightest. But I certainly could be wrong about that.
Pennywise83
Banned
Kids games are typically slow-burners, and tend to well during holidays - so it might even sell better in Dec wrt Nov.
theprodigy
Member
This obviously isn't gonna hold and Amazon software isn't all that reliable when comparing different games, but lol at Fire Emblem Fates special edition>Xbox One Tomb Raider in the monthly for now.
(also Twilight Princess HD>Halo 5, haha)
(also Twilight Princess HD>Halo 5, haha)
I think there's some truth to that perception, but I feel like it's a bit of a blanket statement that doesn't address the fact that plenty of Star Wars diehards are big on video games, too, and as gamers, a decent number of them are aware that some games are great, some games are terrible, and plenty of others are merely okay. Armed with a basic but highly relevant sort of industry knowledge, and firsthand experience with more games than just the Star Wars variety, there are doubtless some diehards who will hold off until Battlefront is cheaper.
Enough to make a real dent? That's the question, of course, but from my time chatting with folks who were picking up the game, I think it at least bears mentioning that a fraction of the masses are in-the-know about this stuff. The people I spoke with chose to grab the game anyway, obviously, but I'm sure some of the no-shows were reconsidering.
Besides, the decades-long Star Wars diehards who are keen on games are quite aware that LucasArts delivered a very varied level of quality with its projects, haha.
I don't know. It's late, I'm tired, and it's an interesting question. I'm most intrigued to see how it all plays out.
I'm sorry I'm just not really into the design, but I can understand why other people would. Congrats on the new console!
It was pretty nuts in line at Best Buy. Was about 8 or 10 to 1 ps4 to xb1. They also had more Thanh 10 bundles on the floor that were preordered. Couple people asked for the sw xbox bundle and were disappointed.
leatherhat
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Rhazer Fusion
Member
I think it read it from some supposed Microsoft link.
you got fooled by microsofts PR on halo, i'm guessing your 6.6 came from the touted $400million revenue for halo which included hardware and accessories, and probably halo figures
Yeah, lol. I knew there was something going on.
Steampsy can be filtered by territories: 40.12% of Steam ToZ sales owners are from the US
Yea. I agree. The real question is how significant is that portion of gamers who know about and care about those reviews. It just seems to me that Star Wars as a brand would have far more pull with the non enthusiast crowd and as such reviews may have a much smaller impact than seen in the past. Inevitably time will tell.
The other thing I've been wondering about is what sort of split to expect between PS4 and XB1 and whether or not it will be enough to give PS4 the nod in the software rankings despite the skew from the SW bundles.
Honestly there's a lot to watch this month. will Halo see enough sales to rank? Will the Black Ops timed deal switch platform preference for the series? Will Fallouts marketing/past affiliation with the Xbox brand make it the lead version in sales? How enough new next gen owners will pick up Destiny with their purchase that it will break the top 5? Will the WiiU receive a meaningful boost of some sort? Will AC Syndicate receive any sort of sales bump over its incredibly poor debut performance? Just how poorly does Tomb Raider stand to sell? So many different questions that could go either way. It makes this the most exciting month in a long while IMHO.
slavesnyder
Member
Where do you get the 50% for retail from?
This would be fabulous.
You have to keep in mind what it costs on top. Digital only means sending out a key.
Retail means you have to produce actual boxes, ship them, have handling fees and others all along the distribution chain. And not to forget, you have overproduction and returns, so stuff you produced for nothing. And this can be a lot.
If you get 30% as publisher in the end you can be lucky.
slavesnyder
Member
Ah, the soft bundles. You are totally right. Microsoft will look good on paper concerning Battlefront and not earn a penny from this game. Even worse: It's not their game, so they have to pay EA for these in the end. Nevertheless, it will motivate people to buy an Xbox, so that's something like marketing costs.
Here are your games that gained most owners from US in October on Steam. Hope it's useful
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# Game New owners from US Suggested price Max discount
1 Undertale 119,116 $9.99 0% ($9.99)
2 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 103,033 $14.99 0% ($14.99)
3 Fallout: New Vegas 69,845 $9.99 66% ($3.39)
4 Warhammer: End Times - Vermintide 64,338 $29.99 10% ($26.99)
5 ARK: Survival Evolved 58,668 $29.99 33% ($20.09)
6 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 52,911 $19.99 66% ($6.79)
7 Sir, You Are Being Hunted 49,545 $19.99 90% ($1.99)
8 Fallout 3 - Game of the Year Edition 49,265 $19.99 50% ($9.99)
9 The Walking Dead 47,151 $24.99 75% ($6.24)
10 Rocket League 44,239 $19.99 0% ($19.99)
11 Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes 44,234 $14.99 10% ($13.49)
12 PAYDAY 2 44,193 $19.99 75% ($4.99)
13 Age of Empires II: HD Edition 39,549 $19.99 0% ($19.99)
14 Arma 2 37,359 $12.99 80% ($7.99)
15 Don't Starve Together 34,518 $14.99 0% ($14.99)
16 Rust 34,157 $19.99 0% ($19.99)
17 Rebel Galaxy 32,490 $19.99 10% ($17.99)
18 South Park: The Stick of Truth 32,361 $29.99 75% ($7.49)
19 Torchlight II 32,306 $19.99 0% ($19.99)
20 The Binding of Isaac 32,265 $4.99 90% ($0.49)I think it's even worse and costly, in the sense that MS has to cover the entire cost per copy, or $59.99. That makes it a very costly endeavor, considering that the XB1 still isn't profitable (as per Phil Spencer).
slavesnyder
Member
The get their own share as usual. So the put it from one pocket into the other. Still, there is the rest to eat for them.
But as publisher they also have to cover for handling, shipments etc. so there are always costs on top.
Here are your games that gained most owners from US in October on Steam. Hope it's useful
So ToZ sold 85K on Steam but lower than 32K in US. Interesting.
That is actually a good question. It would make a good thread.
I'm no expert having only played a 1/2 dozen Nintendo first party wiiu games and maybe 5 1st party 3ds games. Their 1st party games have a unified aesthetic: big eyes, offputtingly cute, and cartoony. Gameplay is polished, and designed not to frustrate or offended, eschewing complexity, and casting a wide net. The characters are vacuous, with their personalities boiled down to a simple one dimensional core; and as such, there is no emotional resonance or connection. In short, they are purveyors of fine confectionery, which is great if you like candy. I'm more of a sour umami bitterman.
Lower than 32k in US retail, you're not counting console digital sale.s
He's referring to the PC version.
leatherhat
Member
They're talking about Steam sales, it did less than 32k on Steam in America.
I wouldn't really say anything their characters have a unified aesthetic.