I see this and the beside the obvious horror, I see this as one hell of an image for propaganda for radicalization of highly malleable muslim youths within US who feel utterly disenfranchised as well as for recruitment by ISIL/S.
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I see this and the beside the obvious horror, I see this as one hell of an image for propaganda for radicalization of highly malleable muslim youths within US who feel utterly disenfranchised as well as for recruitment by ISIL/S.
RPGCrazied
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This letter, Bannon and Miller overruled the Secretary of Defense? That's pretty bad.
Bl@de
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Why don't you? I'll wait
NullPointer
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It matters that they didn't think it through. And the current and future consequences of that feels-right-in-their-gut order are now being showcased and discussed in the media and in government statements the world over.
Not to mention the way these EOs have been crafted and the subsequent chaos that results from a White House that thinks they have all of the answers themselves.
Bl@de
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Maybe. But without data it is pure speculation.
That's gonna be interesting... Apparently Trump is coming to Wisconsin on Thursday, too.
Because you're cherry picking a poll that fits your argument, we saw how it that went with the election. I don't need to show anything, I'm not the one who's trying to prove there's support for this.
Newtype-001
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I dont know if this warrants its own thread so ill just post it here.
Protests today across the UK against trump
#StandUpToTrump
Some images from twitter taken from the hashtag:
My favourite
London Whitehall:
Trafalgar Square:
Downing street:
Newcastle:
Vids
Glasgow
https://twitter.com/loladelorean/status/826121863373938688
Edinburgh:
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/826129804806254592
Manchester:
https://twitter.com/deankirby_/status/826133432103215104
So proud
Protests today across the UK against trump
#StandUpToTrump
Some images from twitter taken from the hashtag:
My favourite
London Whitehall:
Trafalgar Square:
Downing street:
Newcastle:
Vids
Glasgow
https://twitter.com/loladelorean/status/826121863373938688
Edinburgh:
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/826129804806254592
Manchester:
https://twitter.com/deankirby_/status/826133432103215104
So proud
Lol wow at those questions. The bias is strong with this one..
Why don't you stop derailing the thread with your concern trolling? Citing a debunked source is not adequate. I'll wait.
metalslimer
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You're the one making the claim. You're going to need more sources to back up your claim than a consistent outlier
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Deleted member 17706
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Which you don't seem to mind engaging in by using the results of a poll of 1,000 "likely voter" done by Rasmussen. It's not data relevant to the discussion. The details of Trump's EO and its implementation are very important.
Well, for one, it was polled before the draconian measures were put into place and as such it doesn't mean anything of the opinions of events following said draconian instrumentation and effect. Time generally has a structure you should, you know, understand.
Time, such a weird thing.
mckmas8808
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That'll be the worse thing they could do.
In my experience, Trump supporters have little knowledge or concern for reality.
Bl@de
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A poll of 1000 is statistically relevant. Yes there are problems with the poll. No question. But I find it hard to believe that everyone is against it, Are many people protesting and against it? Yes. But nobody backs it up with statistical data and this was the only source I found. If somebody has different ones. Feel free to post them.
NullPointer
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So do we know for sure how many people (if any) were deported, or forced to relinquish their visas over the weekend?
If its any number greater than zero I'd like to know why the media isn't pushing back against this whole "inconvenience" line the administration is rolling out.
If its any number greater than zero I'd like to know why the media isn't pushing back against this whole "inconvenience" line the administration is rolling out.
everyday math
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I know. Walker also was at the White House last week.
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Deleted member 17706
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The poll is fine for what it is, but the context in which you're trying to use it as a weapon for your argument is not.
Nor do I think anyone is claiming that "everyone is against it." That's a straw man and you should know that.
"The only source I could find" is not a valid argument here. It's outdated and lacking in very important context of the details and execution of the EO.
It may turn out that those numbers actually do reflect the current state of America and more people are supportive of it than not. We really don't know. Just like you said, without data it is pure speculation.
Even if that poll wouldn't have had leading questions, a very careful picked statistical samples and done before the events, it means nothing. It has no relevance. The discrimination and abuses are not suddenly OK if they are popular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
And the poll is utterly flawed by this:
Objective survey said:
Leading questions with the implication that currently the federal government has a poor ability to screen out potential terrorists.
And this:
A sample picked to obtain a certain result.
Id be curious to see how many Americans still want this ban, now that it's been implemented and caused massive protests around the world.
"Do you want good things, or bad things in your life?
[ ] Good things
[ ] Bad things
"
Chocolate & Vanilla
Fuck Strawberry
Not to mention the fact that it really doesn't fucking matter what a poll says. A majority opinion is not proof of a morally correct one.
Pretty much. Imagine asking someone who's not really following the news too much and before the shit hit the fan (a.k.a. Trump's EO).
Huge money stepping into battle.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/826180211322531842
Edit: MicroSoft is working with Washington State on suit against Trump's EO
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/826180211322531842
Edit: MicroSoft is working with Washington State on suit against Trump's EO
Pankratous
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I dont know if this warrants its own thread so ill just post it here.
Protests today across the UK against trump
#StandUpToTrump
Some images from twitter taken from the hashtag:
My favourite
London Whitehall:
Trafalgar Square:
Downing street:
Newcastle:
Vids
Glasgow
https://twitter.com/loladelorean/status/826121863373938688
Edinburgh:
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/826129804806254592
Manchester:
https://twitter.com/deankirby_/status/826133432103215104
So proud
I'd say it warrants a thread.
Proud.
RPGCrazied
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Huge money stepping into battle.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/826180211322531842
Edit: MicroSoft is working with Washington State on suit against Trump's EO
Probably only cause its affecting business.
Enemy of my enemy...
NullPointer
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Indeed.
And the White House still believes this is all being blown out of proportion.
That it's CEO is a immigrant from India.
biosnake20
Member
So will they stop you from coming back in if you are an American citizen?
That's honestly the only saving grace about this. Same thing with the Koch Brothers getting in formation to denounce Trump. I said this back in early 2016, Trump might be a conservative's wet dream, but his antics are gravely harmful to lots of Fortune 500 bottom lines. People can't make money when the status quo is shook, and he's banging on the table.
The Forces That Be™ will be rid of him if he continues down this path
If you support it why don't you just come out and say it?
Yup. With businesses getting involved I really don't see how members of the GOP just stand by.
orthodoxy1095
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Yes.
If Trump had briefed the DHS and the Justice Department, set a target date, made exemptions for those in transit, excluded visa/green card holders, put in special provisions for local military aides, and limited the ban to refugees and nonessential visitors, then yes. The reaction would be wholly different.
It still wouldn't be great policy, but the reaction wouldn't be what it is.
Huge money stepping into battle.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/826180211322531842
Edit: MicroSoft is working with Washington State on suit against Trump's EO
But guys, this is totally the same thing as what Obama did!!!!!
Yup, but he fucked it up.
Goodbye, privacy
2002whitegt
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It's sad to see how people who have LEGAL rights to be in the country are getting stopped and detained., then having to explain to clueless people on facebook that they are not illegal immigrants getting stopped and detained, but people that "did it the right way."
I spent a year in Sudan, and all of the people I met and interacted with were always welcoming and went out of their way to make me feel at home. I have friends who worked hard to find a way to survive, and who wished they could study abroad. Very few could get visas to the US as is.
I understand Sudan's government is corrupt and has done so many bad things, but the people were amazing.
Looking forward to being questioned even more than I was before because of my Sudanese visa stamps on my passport.
I spent a year in Sudan, and all of the people I met and interacted with were always welcoming and went out of their way to make me feel at home. I have friends who worked hard to find a way to survive, and who wished they could study abroad. Very few could get visas to the US as is.
I understand Sudan's government is corrupt and has done so many bad things, but the people were amazing.
Looking forward to being questioned even more than I was before because of my Sudanese visa stamps on my passport.
A Cyberpolice?
I bet the posters on forums like 4chan, and all the alt right sites will praise this shit. But it would be amazing if it changed the internet as they knew it.
BUt this isn't shocking people. Trump said this back in December 2015
Donald Trump wants to 'close up' the Internet
http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/technology/donald-trump-internet/
BUt this isn't shocking people. Trump said this back in December 2015
Donald Trump wants to 'close up' the Internet
http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/technology/donald-trump-internet/
This might end up in quote some more riots. With trumps track record on good decisions
orthodoxy1095
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It's amazing that his administration either can't or willfully won't get the basics of a goddamn Executive Order straight.
Watching what he's doing is certainly frightening. But at the same time, I do feel a slight sense of relief, because it feels like an actually intelligent and manipulative Executive branch could be doing much more damage with more craftily pushed maneuvers working in tandem with the Departments and the Legislature. Instead we have Trump and co. pulling garbage out of their gaping assholes without thinking about it or running it by anyone on their "side."
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